1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

this is why i have dr. d on ignore; his doom and gloom is positively exhausting

we'll all be 'rooned, said hanrahan!

Yep, this particular doc is only good for fake medical certificates. The only problem with ‘ignore’ is when someone quotes them often wsw.

In the latter stages of 2018 this particular poster said in a game-day thread he would be going to the game and would not be happy even if we won that day. That says enough really. 

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Dee Zephyr

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

1 minute ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

You keep saying that we'll lose to Port Adelaide, West Coast, the bulldogs and Geelong but our record this season shows that we have been much more convincing against top 8 sides than we have been against mid-range and bottom teams. It shouldn't come as a surprise if we manage to beat three of the four teams mentioned above, if not all of them. 

22 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

Does your analysis take in to consideration where we play these sides?

For instance, if we play West Coast in Melbourne, everyone knows how poorly they play away from home, or if we play them over there with no crowd. 

We may also play Port Adelaide at a venue in Victoria, that certainly won't help them.

Then if, God forbid, our form improves to your acceptable standards, we may just beat one of the other teams that stand in our way.

The Hawks may upset Port over here on the weekend, or the wonder kids, Essendon may beat the Cats on Friday night.

The Tigers may beat the Cats in a few weeks.

There are many possibilities, especially now we have a Victorian Hub, we have no idea how long this will last but is certainly throws a few spanners in the works.

But keep at it, keep finding ways to show how Melbourne has no hope of finishing in the top 4.

37 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

I'm a bit bored today so I will engage with this a little longer...

You are attempting to present as fact, or self evident and obvious, a poorly formed opinion based on absolutely nothing except perhaps your own pessimism. I would characterise the responses you are seeing here as not so much people being defensive, as calling bull$#it on your statements. There is considerably more evidence to support us making the top 4 than there is that we will get knocked down to 5th.

To support your negative statement you provide the startling piece of evidence that you typed your opinions into the ladder predictor and got back the expected answer. You then jump into those of us who disagree by accusing us of not being impartial. 

 

Pot, Kettle, Black...

37 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

I'm a bit bored today so I will engage with this a little longer...

You are attempting to present as fact, or self evident and obvious, a poorly formed opinion based on absolutely nothing except perhaps your own pessimism. I would characterise the responses you are seeing here as not so much people being defensive, as calling bull$#it on your statements. There is considerably more evidence to support us making the top 4 than there is that we will get knocked down to 5th.

To support your negative statement you provide the startling piece of evidence that you typed your opinions into the ladder predictor and got back the expected answer. You then jump into those of us who disagree by accusing us of not being impartial. 

 

Pot, Kettle, Black...

How is it based on nothing? Since the start of the year we've lost to Adelaide and Collingwood.  We play Geelong who were missing Rohan, Cameron and Dangerfield. I believe we have dropped off in form and believe the dogs have lifted so I don't think it's crazy to say that I put us down for a loss to the dogs. I assume we play WCE at Optus, which is an incredibly tough road trip. That's a likely loss. And lastly Port Adelaide who have beaten us the last 3 times. I also might add the last time we played at AO we had one of our worst losses for the year. So fair to assume that's a loss.  And I'm giving us wins in the other 4 games.

Just because you don't like the information, doesn't make it negative. Finishing 5th is still a good finish considering where we're coming from last year. 

Also, it doesn't bother me what other evidence says. I know more about the dees than most supporters. When we made the Prelim in 2018, everyone was talking about us making top 4 and all of that jazz because the 'evidence' suggested that natural improvement would get us there. And where did we come? 16th. So at the time I would've got shot down for saying 'lets not get ahead of ourselves' but I turned out to be correct.  If you haven't noticed the MFC has let us down year in, year out for most of my lifetime. If we win a final, then I put it down as a successful season. All this talk, about flags etc. is way too premature. 

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

Also, it doesn't bother me what other evidence says. I know more about the dees than most supporters.

Is that similar to your predictions that Goodwin will be sacked by round 8 and Essendon will beat us by 37 points?

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Pollyanna

31 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I know more about the dees than most supporters

How, have you told yourself you do?

I'm surprised that more posters haven't realised that, by responding to Dr. D, they keep giving him the attention and cheap thrills he seeks with his baiting. 

The "ignore" function is your best friend in such situations.

 

On 6/29/2021 at 11:52 AM, Old Man Rivers said:

Under the Radar is exactly where we need to be leading into September. Then we Launch ? 

We’d have to be the only team who could define being firmly entranced on top of the ladder as “flying under the radar”. 

One of the things that i have noticed this year is other teams' body language. 

By that i mean that there is a reasonably visible spectacle of some fairly decent teams who we have played and beaten that actually are looking beaten, tired and frustrated before the end of, in some cases, the third quarter.

Now, i will not name these teams because i don't want to give anything away, but i think it has something to do with things like 

not the same level of fitness, and not being able to make inroads into our backline, when hellbent on playing their own game plan unsuccessfully. 

The other reason is noticeable discontentment in the other teams ranks during play, which i really like to see...

6 hours ago, Click_Bate said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/30/west-coast-great-predicts-how-the-top-eight-will-finish-come-seasons-end/
 

Going with the OP, Peter Sumich doesn’t even think Melbourne will finish top 4! 
 

I can definitely understand why people think doggies will finish on top, but surely not rating us a likely top 4 spot is pushing it. (Touch wood) 

A lot of his prediction would be based on the assumption Port rolls us next week. I'm confident we can beat them (we have a bad record at AO against them but were unlucky/shot ourselves in the foot a couple of times) plus it is looking like the game could be played in Melbourne with any luck.

In keeping with the underrated theme of this thread, Gerard Whateley on AFL 360 was effusive when talking about Brisbane"s Deven Robertson, who was this weeks Rising Star nomination. Whateley said; "Robertson had 20 pressure acts, incredible, 20!"

Ben Gibson interviewing Jack Viney after the game.

Gibo says; "Jack you had 34 pressure acts during the game". Jack; "is that a lot?"

9 minutes ago, dworship said:

In keeping with the underrated theme of this thread, Gerard Whateley on AFL 360 was effusive when talking about Brisbane"s Deven Robertson, who was this weeks Rising Star nomination. Whateley said; "Robertson had 20 pressure acts, incredible, 20!"

Ben Gibson interviewing Jack Viney after the game.

Gibo says; "Jack you had 34 pressure acts during the game". Jack; "is that a lot?"

Gerard whateley hates Melbourne, I could give you examples, but I’m too tired 

16 hours ago, KLV said:

Gerard whateley hates Melbourne, I could give you examples, but I’m too tired 

They think that we think we are too good for them, that we could do a better analysis than them, that we think objectively, and that we say our prayers every night..

Three out of four ain't bad....

Seems every other contender has 2 or 3 power forwards 

On 6/30/2021 at 5:53 AM, Dr.D said:

Wow, look at everyone get so defensive just because I have us going 4/4 with losses against very good teams. Just shows that you lot are equally as impartial in your own analysis. When we played Geelong for example, they had a lot of good players out. 

Filling out a ladder predictor is not analysis.

12 and 2 after 14 games and 5 - 0 vs top 8. The mix in the maiming games is 4 vs top 8 and 3 of them away, if we play the remaining games equal to our season so far we should go end up 6-2 or 7-1 and clear top of the table. Given teams below us have won those games I see no reason to think we don’t beat port and wc away and dogs at g. Cats in Geelong would be the only game I don’t think we are a 50/50 or better chance in.

If our team was called Richmond and had our record so far we would expect them not to drop and game and win the grand final in a canter.

22 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

Filling out a ladder predictor is not analysis.

it forms part of an analysis. And more of what most posters here have done. Other than having completely biased views where they talk about being flag contenders etc. I've already given my analysis, you may want to read above before posting. 

On 6/30/2021 at 1:34 PM, Dee Zephyr said:

Yep, this particular doc is only good for fake medical certificates. The only problem with ‘ignore’ is when someone quotes them often wsw.

In the latter stages of 2018 this particular poster said in a game-day thread he would be going to the game and would not be happy even if we won that day. That says enough really. 

Way to use things completely out of context. You should be a journalist. I was referring to not wanting to win because I believed that ultimate success would come sooner if Goodwin was gone and limping into finals would've glossed over the hard coaching review that was needed. Thankfully Goodwin has improved some of his work but I put a lot of it down to Williams and Yze. 

42 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

Filling out a ladder predictor is not analysis.

Yes, more akin to reading tea leaves, crystal ball gazing and joining bird dropping patterns.

Edited July 1, 20214 yr by John Crow Batty

30 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

it forms part of an analysis. And more of what most posters here have done. Other than having completely biased views where they talk about being flag contenders etc. I've already given my analysis, you may want to read above before posting. 

Unfortunately I have read your above posts. Incorrect, it forms a platform for you to put in your opinion and get a result that suits it. 

Was talking to some pals the other week about the Dees and where we could finish, they thought I was silly for saying we'd finish 4th and that'd be a failure after being on top etc.

The chasing pack is on our heels, 5th place is only 2 wins behind us and we have to play some tough opponents.  The top 5 will be extremely close this year IMO.

I don't see this as Melbourne fan negativity, just lots of contenders this year. 

 

29 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Way to use things completely out of context. You should be a journalist. I was referring to not wanting to win because I believed that ultimate success would come sooner if Goodwin was gone and limping into finals would've glossed over the hard coaching review that was needed. Thankfully Goodwin has improved some of his work but I put a lot of it down to Williams and Yze. 

And if we were struggling, I suspect you would you say it was Goodwin's fault.

 

18 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

And if we were struggling, I suspect you would you say it was Goodwin's fault.

 

Goodwin and the relevant players.