If Ben Brown doesnt play the rest of the year

[Supermercado 2,802]

Brown was very good against Sydney, kicked goals, set one up for McDonald with a delightful block. I don't understand why people want to write him off based on one average game against Carlton in conditions that didn't suit him. He went back to the VFL and had a rubbish game but is a proven commodity. If we bring him back and it doesn't work over a couple of weeks either go with one less tall, pick Mitch or reinvestigate Weid after a few reserves games, but whatever he does it will be better than what we got yesterday. Weid's confidence is shot, which is no good for him but we're trying to consolidate a top four spot we can't keep waiting for him.

[The heart beats true 18,183]

I really like what I read on here about rumours BBB was doing a mini preseason. I really hope that’s correct, and he comes into the team after the bye. If he can get some separation on the lead then we are a much better team.

If nothing else defenders are going to watch him more closely than they do SW. Brown, McDonald and Jackson deserve a month working together to see if they can click.

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

I'd play Weid down back for Casey for the next three games and get him involved.

 

[Doug Reemer 1,208]

Aside from Weideman's age. He doesn't have much going for him. Too Timid, no confidence or consistency.

We aren't in a development stage anymore. The time is now. If Weid gets dropped sooks up and leaves, so be it. We need to pick the best side to trying a pinch a flag while we are in the window. Aside from the Big 4 (Rich, Hawks, Cats Eagles). Most sides only get about to years at their peak to win a flag.

Get Ben Brown, Mitch Brown in. Who cares just get someone in that will have a crack!!

[Guest]

Dropping BBB after only three matches was premature. It’s like, you haven’t  kicked a bag of 10. On yer way fellah. Next!

[old dee 24,003]

18 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

Weirderman’s last game until round 17, at least, thanks. BBB can’t possibly be worse than this.

Or the other Brown or Smith. 

[old dee 24,003]

18 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Aside from Weideman's age. He doesn't have much going for him. Too Timid, no confidence or consistency.

We aren't in a development stage anymore. The time is now. If Weid gets dropped sooks up and leaves, so be it. We need to pick the best side to trying a pinch a flag while we are in the window. Aside from the Big 4 (Rich, Hawks, Cats Eagles). Most sides only get about to years at their peak to win a flag.

Get Ben Brown, Mitch Brown in. Who cares just get someone in that will have a crack!!

The sad part is his value at the trade table would now be zero. A third round pick would be considered amazing.

[old dee 24,003]

24 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'd play Weid down back for Casey for the next three games and get him involved.

 

But there is no Casey reserves anymore DJ.

[Jaded No More 68,975]

I wonder if Brown was dropped for lack of fitness. 
When you play a whole team defense and have a strong focus on applying forward half pressure you need your forwards to be able to cover a lot of ground and go for repeat efforts. 
Maybe BB has been doing a mini pre season and will be picked once his fitness improves. 

[DeeSpencer 26,301]

2 hours ago, TRIGON said:

It won't help him if he's consistently playing from behind against blonde haired defenders.

He’s often behind because he’s still running back to make sure we have a deep target when a midfielder plays on for no reason. It’s certainly a weakness of his game but a big problem is he team mates just don’t time it up with any of our forwards. Nor do they kick with the right weight to drop a ball for a forward. It’s either bomb it high or try to lace it through 4 defenders.

[Sydee 4,633]

19 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I wonder if Brown was dropped for lack of fitness. 
When you play a whole team defense and have a strong focus on applying forward half pressure you need your forwards to be able to cover a lot of ground and go for repeat efforts. 
Maybe BB has been doing a mini pre season and will be picked once his fitness improves. 

I think you have probably nailed it there - he certainly didn't look fit enough for mine

When he was at his peak he was always fairly weak defensively but could move a lot quicker on the lead and to get into position to receive

[Go the Biff 3,457]

21 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I wonder if Brown was dropped for lack of fitness. 
When you play a whole team defense and have a strong focus on applying forward half pressure you need your forwards to be able to cover a lot of ground and go for repeat efforts. 
Maybe BB has been doing a mini pre season and will be picked once his fitness improves. 

I reckon you've nailed it Jaded. In the Carlton game he covered a lot of ground but really struggled to get back into the forward line to be a threat. Glacial movement. And as others have mentioned, in the small sample size we have, Brown didn't appear to have the sharpness on the lead that he's known for.

Hopefully this six week physical tune up will get him back to the sort of shape he was in when he was bagging 60 goals a year.

Mind you, with our forward setup you'd struggle whether it was Ben Brown, Sam Weideman or Fred Fanning !

[Pennant St Dee 13,403]

5 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Oliver Cant kick a set shot to save himself so while not bad at crumbing Id say no.

 

Kossie set shots aren’t great either, Oliver will be resting there as opposed to resting on the pine and the reason is

Provides ability to win the ground balls and increase defensive pressure which has dropped off since we went with the extra tall

Very difficult to match up on and will take a decent medium defender as nobody is going to leave him unattended

his clearance/stoppage ability will provide scoring opportunities for himself and/or teammates 

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

But there is no Casey reserves anymore DJ.

I assume it will start again the weekend after this coming one perhaps with crowd limits.

Would hate to think of living under major restrictions into July ?

[titan_uranus 25,176]

42 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Kossie set shots aren’t great either, Oliver will be resting there as opposed to resting on the pine and the reason is

Provides ability to win the ground balls and increase defensive pressure which has dropped off since we went with the extra tall

Very difficult to match up on and will take a decent medium defender as nobody is going to leave him unattended

his clearance/stoppage ability will provide scoring opportunities for himself and/or teammates 

Pickett's goal accuracy this year is 39.2%. Oliver's is 30%.

Meanwhile TMac's is 63.6% and Fritsch is 60.5%.

[old dee 24,003]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I assume it will start again the weekend after this coming one perhaps with crowd limits.

Would hate to think of living under major restrictions into July ?

I think you missed it or I did not convey it well. I was meaning there are no Casey reserves, meaning no team lower than our reserves / Casey seniors DJ.

[old dee 24,003]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I assume it will start again the weekend after this coming one perhaps with crowd limits.

Would hate to think of living under major restrictions into July ?

It would be a good idea not to hold your breath DJ. After the last 15 months nothing would surprise me.

[Dr.D 1,771]

Surely the first B in BBB doesn't stand for big? He's skinny and weak and gets pushed off the ball so easily. The only good thing apart of his game is that he's an accurate kick for goal.  But he has shown in the games played so far that he struggles to get separation off his man, is a poor mark over head and terrible defensively. I don't care what he's done in the past and either did North Melbourne. They didn't ship him off for no reason. 

[old dee 24,003]

12 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Surely the first B in BBB doesn't stand for big? He's skinny and weak and gets pushed off the ball so easily. The only good thing apart of his game is that he's an accurate kick for goal.  But he has shown in the games played so far that he struggles to get separation off his man, is a poor mark over head and terrible defensively. I don't care what he's done in the past and either did North Melbourne. They didn't ship him off for no reason. 

I thought you were describing Weideman there for a while there Dr D

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,568]

Make of it what you will, but Goodwin in his post-match:

- was not asked about Weideman's strikingly poor stats (thus no opportunity/requirement to restate or now distance himself from his 'Sam is a long-term player' stance)

- was strong on the poor delivery into the 50

- named 5 players pressing for selection, none of whom were Brown (of either variety)

Make also of it what you will:

- In the most recent Casey game, to my eyes B. Brown 1. exhibited all the negative attitude, endeavour, mobility and playing characteristics cited in earlier posts and 2. was largely marked one-on-one, not multi-teamed

- Weideman can perform in finals, but he - and/or the structure and/or activity around him - has lost whatever it was that allowed that. Is it possible for such capability to be regained? (note, Chris Dawes also kicked 3 goals in a final but look what happened thereafter...)

 

[old dee 24,003]

50 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Make of it what you will, but Goodwin in his post-match:

- was not asked about Weideman's strikingly poor stats (thus no opportunity/requirement to restate or now distance himself from his 'Sam is a long-term player' stance)

- was strong on the poor delivery into the 50

- named 5 players pressing for selection, none of whom were Brown (of either variety)

Make also of it what you will:

- In the most recent Casey game, to my eyes B. Brown 1. exhibited all the negative attitude, endeavour, mobility and playing characteristics cited in earlier posts and 2. was largely marked one-on-one, not multi-teamed

- Weideman can perform in finals, but he - and/or the structure and/or activity around him - has lost whatever it was that allowed that. Is it possible for such capability to be regained? (note, Chris Dawes also kicked 3 goals in a final but look what happened thereafter...)

 

They both have the ability to get where the ball ain't as Jack Dyer would say and both have the same iron hands. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,132]

3 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Kossie set shots aren’t great either, Oliver will be resting there as opposed to resting on the pine and the reason is

Provides ability to win the ground balls and increase defensive pressure which has dropped off since we went with the extra tall

Very difficult to match up on and will take a decent medium defender as nobody is going to leave him unattended

his clearance/stoppage ability will provide scoring opportunities for himself and/or teammates 

I would be getting a genuine great (forward) of the game, preferably a recently retired one, down to the club pronto and teaching the likes of Clarry,  Spargo & Kozzie how to kick set shots from various angles and distances.  As well as shots on the run under various amounts of pressure and angles.  The ideal for mine would be Gary Ablett Jnr.

I would also have him running some training drills with the forwards in order to connect more often, attempting to place the ball into space for them to run onto more often.  We just don't do enough of this when coming inside.  Tracc & Clarry could both do with this sort of drill in particular.  Many of our kicks coming inside 50 lack finesse and touch.  Most of them either mung balls or just blindly kicked in without any thought or use of the eyes.  Would also be helpful for the likes of Viney, Harmes and Hunt.

This break is an ideal opportunity for something like this to take place and could be the difference between making a PF or not and potentially making the big dance.

Might also help to put lessor light teams away earlier or see us having a few big percentage wins.  Even against some of the higher rated clubs.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[Bobby McKenzie 2,401]

8 hours ago, deebug said:

Goodwin if you are reading this, play the two Browns, it's such a waste to have them not playing in the side.

Sam has had his chance, time for some new blood.

Agree. Sam is a major disappointment. Give Ben and Mitch  go.  Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Mitch is very versatile too

[old dee 24,003]

Just now, Bobby McKenzie said:

Agree. Sam is a major disappointment. Give Ben and Mitch  go.  Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Mitch is very versatile too

You have about 45 000 votes there BM let’s hope you have half a dozen in the FD. 

[Fanatique Demon 2,685]

10 hours ago, Sydee said:

His go is to get on the lead and players up the field kicking in front of him - not convinced we have the structure or the players up the ground that are great at delivering inside 50

True.  But he has two other big advantages, even if the ball isn’t delivered perfectly.  First, he is so tall he often draws a free kick from arm interference or over the shoulder contact.  Second, he can kick straight.