COVID & AFL 2021

[Diamond_Jim 12,526]

Will be interesting to see the various vaccination levels required for the four phase plan.

The phases are logical but I worry that we may not meet the vax targets. If that happens some tough love may be required.

Assuming the first phase which we are now in goes until December 1 (optimistic I think) how many lockdowns and brder closures will we see.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

42 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Will be interesting to see the various vaccination levels required for the four phase plan.

The phases are logical but I worry that we may not meet the vax targets. If that happens some tough love may be required.

Assuming the first phase which we are now in goes until December 1 (optimistic I think) how many lockdowns and brder closures will we see.

The only way we meet the vaccination targets is if/when we get a whole heap of Pfizer or Moderna

You will not get to high levels of vaccinations with AZ being the main vaccine available. Rightly or wrongly, that vaccine has been dragged through the mud. It is too late now. We need big supply of one of the other vaccines so we can get moving.

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Jaded

[drysdale demon 4,830]

9 hours ago, Jaded said:

Dogs have a more 'fun' brand to watch and they can smash teams. We are only exciting to watch if you're a Melbourne supporter.

Not when they played us they didn't.

[Superunknown 4,210]

3 hours ago, Jaded said:

The only way we meet the vaccination targets is if/when we get a whole heap of Pfizer or Moderna

You will not get to high levels of vaccinations with AZ being the main vaccine available. Rightly or wrongly, that vaccine has been dragged through the mud. It is too late now. We need big supply of one of the other vaccines so we can get moving.

 

EOCY21

[Superunknown 4,210]

12 hours ago, Kent said:

so where is the shortage?

Pfizer in Vic apparently

and Pfizer for under 40s nationwide 

[old55 23,356]

Well it's all gone horribly wrong in Gladlands now and they're talking about giving up and going full UK with virus - except without the vaccine coverage.

Expect total lockdown of NSW from all other  states for the foreseeable future.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Pollyanna

[Demonstone 22,295]

Does this mean we can now expect the Federal Government and the Murdoch press to rip into N.S.W. and their Premier the same way they attacked Victoria and our Premier?  (I know, I know ....)

[Superunknown 4,210]

6 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Does this mean we can now expect the Federal Government and the Murdoch press to rip into N.S.W. and their Premier the same way they attacked Victoria and our Premier?  (I know, I know ....)

Don’t be silly!

 

I’d better get up the ray Drummond at Burleigh before I can’t cross the border for some new whhhhhacking sticks (ht king of the hill)

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

On 7/2/2021 at 7:43 PM, Superunknown said:

Pfizer in Vic apparently

and Pfizer for under 40s nationwide 

The shortage in Victoria is because they used their allocation for first doses and didn't keep enough for the second dose.  Poor planning or deliberate?  Who knows but it was of their own making.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

14 hours ago, demonstone said:

Does this mean we can now expect the Federal Government and the Murdoch press to rip into N.S.W. and their Premier the same way they attacked Victoria and our Premier?  (I know, I know ....)

I think it's too late. The people of Sydney (and NSW) have been fed a consistent diet of anti-authoritarianism for so long via 2GB and the Murdoch press that I don't trust the Sydney population to stick to the lockdown and mask rules the way people in other Australian States and territories have done. That may mean AFL games won't be held in Sydney for quite some time yet as the other State and Territories may not allow teams that play there to return home without quarantine.  

[old55 23,356]

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think it's too late. The people of Sydney (and NSW) have been fed a consistent diet of anti-authoritarianism for so long via 2GB and the Murdoch press that I don't trust the Sydney population to stick to the lockdown and mask rules the way people in other Australian States and territories have done. That may mean AFL games won't be held in Sydney for quite some time yet as the other State and Territories may not allow teams that play there to return home without quarantine.  

About to get very interesting up there:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/coronavirus-sydney-cases-move-from-east-to-west/100275722

"We're trying damned hard at the moment to make sure that we can use every effort to suppress that virus, and right now is a critical time," Health Minister Brad Hazzard said yesterday.

"If the individuals that we need don't hear Dr Chant's message and don't respond, then at some point we're going to move to a stage where we're going to have to accept that the virus has a life which will continue in the community."

[Diamond_Jim 12,526]

You would be "mad" to plan to play in Sydney for at least four weeks.

Perhaps base them in Wangaratta and Mildura in the meantime. Would be a great boost for regional Victoria.

More likely they'll head to Queensland.

[binman 42,606]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

About to get very interesting up there:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/coronavirus-sydney-cases-move-from-east-to-west/100275722

"We're trying damned hard at the moment to make sure that we can use every effort to suppress that virus, and right now is a critical time," Health Minister Brad Hazzard said yesterday.

"If the individuals that we need don't hear Dr Chant's message and don't respond, then at some point we're going to move to a stage where we're going to have to accept that the virus has a life which will continue in the community."

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by binman
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[BDA 22,713]

Took the plunge and got my first Astra jab. Happy to report no side effects.

Looks like NSW government are in a full philosophical battle. Pro and anti lockdown factions facing off. If it breaks anti lockdown (i don't think it will) then it'll nigh on impossible to prevent spread to other states. The season will be in jeopardy. AFL HQ will be sweating buckets righ now i reckon.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

The problem in NSW is that their lockdown is only a half lockdown. Retail is open. You can go wherever you want. It's not a lockdown that is effective. And so it won't work, or it will take months to work.

As someone who is married to a small business owner who nearly lost their company of 10 years to Covid restrictions, I understand where NSW is coming from. I applaud them for caring about the economy and people's businesses as much as the health of the community. But when things are so clearly out of hand, and yet the consistent message coming out of the government is so relaxed, than of course the situation is going to get worse before it gets better.

Going early and going hard is the way to do it. You'd think they would learn from Victoria. The lockdown capital of Australia. 

 

[Macca 16,903]

38 new cases in NSW today is not good news for the rest of the country ... the delta varient could easily escape across their border as there are any number of exemptions being handed out to those returning to other States

And we know this disease can show up days later after people have previously tested negative

Of course, if NSW moves away from the elimination strategy of the virus and moves towards containment then all hell could break loose

FWIW I believe they'll stay on the elimination strategy but that will probably mean stricter lockdown methods and they could be in lockdown for quite some time

But there shouldn't be any point scoring or finger pointing as we're only 1 case away from the outbreak happening again in any of the other States ... then more lockdowns

[hardtack 10,514]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think it's too late. The people of Sydney (and NSW) have been fed a consistent diet of anti-authoritarianism for so long via 2GB and the Murdoch press that I don't trust the Sydney population to stick to the lockdown and mask rules the way people in other Australian States and territories have done. That may mean AFL games won't be held in Sydney for quite some time yet as the other State and Territories may not allow teams that play there to return home without quarantine.  

Actually, as far as anti-authoritarianism goes, Melbourne was probably the worst as was evident in the demonstrations and actions of certain individuals early on in the piece, so I can't really agree with that part of your comment.  We have had another 42 cases recorded today (40 community transmissions), but hopefully the message is getting through, as when I've had to go out for food supplies, I have noticed that probably 99% of the people are masked up, which restores my faith in people a little. 

My biggest issue with the powers that be is that Glad took so long to respond with a lockdown, particularly as she had the Victorian experience to draw upon; and never mind all of those private school kids getting Pfizer'd in what was *cough* a mistake... money talks.

I got my first AZ jab at the beginning of June and will get my second at the end of August... apart from a little local soreness in my arm, I experienced no side affects at all.  I noticed that they (the powers that be) are only just starting to talk about it now, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why they haven't encouraged companies to do as they do with the flu jab, and have employees vaccinated on their premises; it's in their own interest to have all employees vaccinated, from a productivity perspective.

From a personal position, I'm getting tired of watching my band's gigs getting cancelled... it's like a slow motion game of dominoes, where each lockdown extension announcement sees one or two more events cancelled.  July was a pretty full month, and now, barring a miracle, it's pretty much a write-off!

Edited July 8, 2021 by hardtack

[rjay 24,852]

11 minutes ago, hardtack said:

never mind all of those private school kids getting Pfizer'd in what was *cough* a mistake... money talks.

Yep...and when the bully boy gets on his high horse you know that's closer to the truth than he would like people to know.

[Diamond_Jim 12,526]

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

Took the plunge and got my first Astra jab. Happy to report no side effects.

Great to hear.

Have my second AZ jab booked for 3 weeks time. Just got notice from the clinic that my appontment had been moved forward by two hours to almost first thing. I suspect that they are getting nowhere near enough bookings to justify a half day or more so they're bunching them first up.

Hope that it's not people cancelling their second dose. That would be really dumb.

[Diamond_Jim 12,526]

36 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Going early and going hard is the way to do it. You'd think they would learn from Victoria. The lockdown capital of Australia. 

It's tough

Singapore have been trying to wipe it out with some rather heavy restrictions for well over a month now. It's improving and they're now down from 30 plus cases a day to single digits and of course they're around 40% vaccinated.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Actually, as far as anti-authoritarianism goes, Melbourne was probably the worst as was evident in the demonstrations and actions of certain individuals early on in the piece, so I can't really agree with that part of your comment.  We have had another 42 cases recorded today (40 community transmissions), but hopefully the message is getting through, as when I've had to go out for food supplies, I have noticed that probably 99% of the people are masked up, which restores my faith in people a little. 

My biggest issue with the powers that be is that Glad took so long to respond with a lockdown, particularly as she had the Victorian experience to draw upon; and never mind all of those private school kids getting Pfizer'd in what was *cough* a mistake... money talks.

I got my first AZ jab at the beginning of June and will get my second at the end of August... apart from a little local soreness in my arm, I experienced no side affects at all.  I noticed that they (the powers that be) are only just starting to talk about it now, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why they haven't encouraged companies to do as they do with the flu jab, and have employees vaccinated on their premises; it's in their own interest to have all employees vaccinated, from a productivity perspective.

From a personal position, I'm getting tired of watching my band's gigs getting cancelled... it's like a slow motion game of dominoes, where each lockdown extension announcement sees one or two more events cancelled.  July was a pretty full month, and now, barring a miracle, it's pretty much a write-off!

I appreciate your comments and on reflection I was probably mistaken in suggesting the people of Sydney were more anti-authoritarian than elsewhere in the country. And you are quite right that Melblurnians have themselves not all covered themselves in glory.

Nevertheless, I still think the Sydney-based media is a huge problem for not just Sydney, but the whole country. 

[old dee 23,762]

18 hours ago, demonstone said:

Does this mean we can now expect the Federal Government and the Murdoch press to rip into N.S.W. and their Premier the same way they attacked Victoria and our Premier?  (I know, I know ....)

We are going to agree on this one D. I reckon they will find a way to blame Vic or QLD.

[old dee 23,762]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Great to hear.

Have my second AZ jab booked for 3 weeks time. Just got notice from the clinic that my appontment had been moved forward by two hours to almost first thing. I suspect that they are getting nowhere near enough bookings to justify a half day or more so they're bunching them first up.

Hope that it's not people cancelling their second dose. That would be really dumb.

It's because all the scare mongering about AZ has reduced the demand DJ. I cannot wait to get my second Jan in 3 weeks.

[daisycutter 29,600]

20 minutes ago, old dee said:

It's because all the scare mongering about AZ has reduced the demand DJ. I cannot wait to get my second Jan in 3 weeks.

my 2nd in 4 weeks, od

people complain about % fully vaccinated but forget that mandatory 12 week wait after 1st is a loooong time

anyway, i'd prefer more people on 1st jab rather than being on 2nd

Edited July 8, 2021 by daisycutter

[old dee 23,762]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

my 2nd in 4 weeks, od

people complain about % fully vaccinated but forget that mandatory 12 week wait after 1st is a loooong time

anyway, i'd prefer more people on 1st jab rather than being on 2nd

I am a glutton dc I want both higher