COVID & AFL 2021

[bing181 9,341]

11 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

It’s counterintuitive that the lockdown isn’t working and more people are doing the wrong thing, but here we are.

Clear that more people aren't adhering to the rules, but the lockdown is working. If not, you could add at least a zero to those case numbers, and similar for deaths.

[Dante 2,739]

2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I didn’t realise some comments of mine had been deleted. I can’t imagine why I’ve been censored, so to speak. Anyways, I’m not trying to engage in a battle with you, or anyone for that matter, it’s just that I can’t abide by general police-bagging. Personal reasons at play. All good. 

Well they were and I find your gratuitous advice to me to be disrespectful and full of inaccuracy.

If that's your way of avoiding battles I suggest you change your tone and method of posting.

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3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Clear that more people aren't adhering to the rules, but the lockdown is working. If not, you could add at least a zero to those case numbers, and similar for deaths.

Yeah sorry, didn’t phrase that correctly. Should have said that the lockdown isn’t having the same result as last time. 👍

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2 minutes ago, Dante said:

Well they were and I find your gratuitous advice to me to be disrespectful and full of inaccuracy.

If that's your way of avoiding battles I suggest you change your tone and method of posting.

*sigh* and *full 360 degree eye-roll* I so cbf continuing with this convo, suffice it to say, put me on ignore thereby eliminating any chance of you being disrespected and/or offended by what I say. K? K!

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,054]

Any chance WA closes its border to COVID states for the entire 2022 AFL season. If so, hubs will be back on the agenda I'd say.

It most certainly won't be opened any earlier than April.

 

 

[binman 44,151]

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Clear that more people aren't adhering to the rules, but the lockdown is working. If not, you could add at least a zero to those case numbers, and similar for deaths.

This is exactly right.

Something that really does my head is so many people who oppose lockdowns seem to consider avoidable deaths and hospitalisations as some sort of abstract equation, the price to be paid for 'freedom', rather than tragic events that will echo for decades to come.

But what about the awful toll on mental health and resulting suicides i hear them say.

Well what about it?

One, that line of argument completely ignores the fact that having family members and friends die or get really sick causes people's mental health to suffer - not to mention the mental health of those who get sick. 

In my life nothing has caused me greater emotional pain than the loss of people i love. Nothing. 

Two, suicide rates are actually down in Australia. Go figure.

How pathetic is it to be lectured by right wing media trolls from the states commenting on our approach to keeping people from dying and becoming sick when hundreds of thousands of Americans have tragically lose their lives and millions  more have felt the emotional toll of that loss. Even more tragic is avoidable deaths continue. Thousands per week. 

I know which county i prefer to live in - one that values the sanctity of life. 

An interesting phenomena here has lockdowns became bipartisan as soon as Delta hit. Same goes vaccine mandates. 

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34 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance WA closes its border to COVID states for the entire 2022 AFL season. If so, hubs will be back on the agenda I'd say.

It most certainly won't be opened any earlier than April.

 

 

If they cannot join when the competition starts in 2022 then they sit out the year for mine.

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1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance WA closes its border to COVID states for the entire 2022 AFL season. If so, hubs will be back on the agenda I'd say.

It most certainly won't be opened any earlier than April.

 

 

Zero chance the AFL is bending over backwards for 2 teams.

WCE and Freo can come hub in Victoria or WA needs to open their borders / allow AFL exemptions. 

The AFL can't afford another season ruined by Covid.

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2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

*sigh* and *full 360 degree eye-roll* I so cbf continuing with this convo, suffice it to say, put me on ignore thereby eliminating any chance of you being disrespected and/or offended by what I say. K? K!

cbf?    has colin been getting to you, wcw?  🤫

[DeeSpencer 26,091]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Any chance WA closes its border to COVID states for the entire 2022 AFL season. If so, hubs will be back on the agenda I'd say.

It most certainly won't be opened any earlier than April.

 

 

WA are on track to have 80% vaccinated by December and if rates hold 90% by the end of the year.

I understand why he wants to keep the state at zero cases for as long as practically possible but surely 90% is the limit.

After that you’re just delaying the inevitable and punishing your own population. 

The bigger challenge for the AFL will be dealing with positive tests within teams. 

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

WA are on track to have 80% vaccinated by December and if rates hold 90% by the end of the year.

I understand why he wants to keep the state at zero cases for as long as practically possible but surely 90% is the limit.

After that you’re just delaying the inevitable and punishing your own population. 

The bigger challenge for the AFL will be dealing with positive tests within teams. 

That is a solid point that I'm guessing some haven't given much thought to. 

The AFL has actually been assisted greatly by the lockdowns, as some players would certainly have contracted the virus if they were running around town.

Hopefully it can only be caught once, otherwise we face the prospect of team lockdowns indefinitely.

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9 minutes ago, faultydet said:

That is a solid point that I'm guessing some haven't given much thought to. 

The AFL has actually been assisted greatly by the lockdowns, as some players would certainly have contracted the virus if they were running around town.

Hopefully it can only be caught once, otherwise we face the prospect of team lockdowns indefinitely.

Athletes are testing positive multiple times in the US. Some of them are using it as a defence on why they shouldn't get the vaccine after repeated positive cases and antibodies and in fairness they do have some case there (at least more than those who flat out refuse).

They've relaxed the close contact and testing procedures for vaccinated NFL players, but there's still circumstances where some players are missing games.

I think after 2022 it should be presumed everyone is vaccinated and been exposed to covid, so testing will only occur on sick people and contact tracing won't be happening. But 2022 will be the year of difficult decisions about what to do with exposures and isolation periods.

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9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Athletes are testing positive multiple times in the US. Some of them are using it as a defence on why they shouldn't get the vaccine after repeated positive cases and antibodies and in fairness they do have some case there (at least more than those who flat out refuse).

They've relaxed the close contact and testing procedures for vaccinated NFL players, but there's still circumstances where some players are missing games.

I think after 2022 it should be presumed everyone is vaccinated and been exposed to covid, so testing will only occur on sick people and contact tracing won't be happening. But 2022 will be the year of difficult decisions about what to do with exposures and isolation periods.

Those athletes don’t understand these vaccines aren’t sterilising vaccines. That’s on both public health messaging and the disinformation/anti vax campaign. They’re doing exactly what they were designed to do. 

https://dalewharrison.substack.com/p/there-are-no-breakthrough-infections

People should listen to some Sam Harris for rational and critical reasoning (that’s not aimed at you)

https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Superunknown

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

cbf?    has colin been getting to you, wcw?  🤫

Au contraire DC. I can always bf talking to Col. 😁

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39 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Those athletes don’t understand these vaccines aren’t sterilising vaccines. That’s on both public health messaging and the disinformation/anti vax campaign. They’re doing exactly what they were designed to do. 

https://dalewharrison.substack.com/p/there-are-no-breakthrough-infections

People should listen to some Sam Harris for rational and critical reasoning (that’s not aimed at you)

https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

 

The player I referred to was Jonathan Isaac who outlined he reasoning why he feels protected after having covid. Whether you're protected by having covid as much as by getting the vaccine is up for debate. Reinfections seem higher than breakthrough infections, but in a fit healthy athlete there might not be much difference.

Of course he's still wrong, because having covid then being vaccinated is the best possible situation. It makes you super immune.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/health/if-youve-had-covid-do-you-need-the-vaccine.html

Edited October 14, 2021 by DeeSpencer

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1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Au contraire DC. I can always bf talking to Col. 😁

nice to know.........i just wondered if it was a freudian or dantean slip 😷

[Jara 1,153]

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The player I referred to was Jonathan Isaac who outlined he reasoning why he feels protected after having covid. Whether you're protected by having covid as much as by getting the vaccine is up for debate. Reinfections seem higher than breakthrough infections, but in a fit healthy athlete there might not be much difference.

Of course he's still wrong, because having covid then being vaccinated is the best possible situation. It makes you super immune.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/health/if-youve-had-covid-do-you-need-the-vaccine.html

Still being worked out, but from what I can see, having the virus gives you some immunity for 6-8 months. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know 

Vaccines and boosters the only way out. If you think you can depend upon your low BMI or your impressive pecs to get you out of this, you're cruising for a bruising. This bloody disease is like a heat-seeking missile - it'll seek you out, hunt you and your loved ones down.  Every day we hear the various CHOs saying something along the lines of 90% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated.  All those fools ( I mean the unvaxed, not the CHOs) are doing is providing a breeding ground for mutant strains. God help us all when they emerge. 

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1 hour ago, Jara said:

Still being worked out, but from what I can see, having the virus gives you some immunity for 6-8 months. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know 

Vaccines and boosters the only way out. If you think you can depend upon your low BMI or your impressive pecs to get you out of this, you're cruising for a bruising. This bloody disease is like a heat-seeking missile - it'll seek you out, hunt you and your loved ones down.  Every day we hear the various CHOs saying something along the lines of 90% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated.  All those fools ( I mean the unvaxed, not the CHOs) are doing is providing a breeding ground for mutant strains. God help us all when they emerge. 

I recently read the following from a person in the USA.

" I don't need a vaccine I have an immune system and God on my side"

That is what will lead us into 2022 Jara. I suggest there are lots with the same ideas in Australia.

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17 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Au contraire DC. I can always bf talking to Col. 😁

Likewise WCW! 🤗

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3 hours ago, old dee said:

I recently read the following from a person in the USA.

" I don't need a vaccine I have an immune system and God on my side"

That is what will lead us into 2022 Jara. I suggest there are lots with the same ideas in Australia.

Why is it that those with this belief about God can't see the possibility that vaccines were invented with God's assistance?

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5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Why is it that those with this belief about God can't see the possibility that vaccines were invented with God's assistance?

May have something to be with their brain washing from an early age.

 

[Cassiew 1,903]

Hopefully they can now arrange a chance for fans to see the cup. Can’t wait to see my brothers and dad again. Good chance to meet up and finally have our celebratory drink 

[Sydney Pennski 299]

We’re being told that the lockdown’s over but there are restrictions and regulations which will continue to apply for some time.

[Cassiew 1,903]

Most travel has returned. 10 visitors allowed 

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26 minutes ago, Sydney Pennski said:

We’re being told that the lockdown’s over but there are restrictions and regulations which will continue to apply for some time.

Exactly. We will never have the same freedoms as before covid.