CHANGES: Rd 07 vs North Melbourne

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Brown for Melk 

 

I have no idea how Weid gets into this team though at the moment 

[Jaded No More 68,974]

3 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

We need Brown in the team.  We'll be better with a quality FF.

McDonald is keeping Weideman out.  That's just the way it is.

Brown should come in for Jones.  

While I agree that Brown for Jones is the best net outcome in terms of quality/output, I can't see them dropping Jones straight after his 300th game. The optics are bad on this one, unless he is sore and they can say he is being ''managed".

[old55 23,800]

16 minutes ago, Jaded said:

While I agree that Brown for Jones is the best net outcome in terms of quality/output, I can't see them dropping Jones straight after his 300th game. The optics are bad on this one, unless he is sore and they can say he is being ''managed".

I agree with @Hannibal Inc. - B.Brown for Jones - we need to try to find a way for the extra tall to work in our structure and now is the time to start. Ideally we'll settle with 4 of B.Brown, Jackson, Fritsch, TMac and Weid in the team - I can't see us going with all 5 and I accept that we may ultimately find we need to revert to 3, but we need to try to make 4 work.

Jones can be sub if we're worried about "the look" - others already in the 22 will need to fulfill his role

[Adam The God 30,541]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Why?

Looked very sore tackling to me. He was a liability on a few occasions with that hand. Dangerous as always as a marking forward and goal kicker, but if his hand isn't 100%, I'd look at this change.

[Altona-demon 321]

this might be a weird way to think about this question, but what would Richmond do if they were in the same situation?

Or what would the Hawks do? How does Melbourne, build depth, insurance, and put games into our younger players?

Some sensible hedging could be:

1. Sparrow in for Jones. 

2. Chandler and Bedford come in for Kozzie and Spargo.

3. TMac and Bayley Fritsch both rested for Ben Brown and Sam Weidemann.

 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

In           B Brown,  Chandler

Out        Jones,   Melksham

 

 Melk or Jetta the sub.  Dont like seeing kids used as the sub when they need game time in the VFL.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Pickett2Jackson

[titan_uranus 25,054]

10 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

In           B Brown,  Chandler

Out        Jones,   Melksham

 

 Melk or Jetta the sub.  Dont like seeing kids used as the sub when they need game time in the VFL.

The issue isn't using kids as the sub, it's ensuring that if they don't get game time one week they do the next. We've been good with that all year, but the answer isn't necessarily to put them in the seniors. Chandler only comes in if he's going to do better than one of our forwards, and right now I don't think that's the case, so he goes to Casey.

[Altona-demon 321]

2 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

In           B Brown,  Chandler

Out        Jones,   Melksham

 

 Melk or Jetta the sub.  Dont like seeing kids used as the sub when they need game time in the VFL.

agree with that, didnt like Sparrow on the bench. 

[Deespicable 2,886]

I certainly get the logic of not changing a winning formula and reading Goody's comments today he's decided he won't alter his line-up also with Brown and Weid to play North's VFL side on Thursday.

And I also get that anyone who suggests a change against that philosophy at the moment is going to be howled down.

But I am sorry, I just reckon that now is the perfect time to trial our planned new-look forward set-up which was halted in early Feb when Weid and Brown went down with injuries.

I certainly understood the logic of staying loyal last week against Richmond and it paid off in droves. But there is no logic in keeping an elite footballer like Brown (my understanding he's our fifth highest paid player) in the twos simply because we are winning. 

I mean let's say we win against North (which you have got to say is mega likely with our odds $1.01 at Sportsbet), then what are you gonna say to him - sorry I don't want to change a winning line-up. And what say we win against the following two weeks - home games against Sydney and Carlton - sorry Browny, you have to keep playing with Casey?

Let's say it was Oliver who had been injured, would we be willing to make room for him or tell him he has to play VFL until we lose.

Ultimately we have to confront and trial the three-headed monster and delaying the inevitable is just poor planning.

Let's find out if it works and what tweaks need to be made to it well before the finals. 

[Nelo 813]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Brown in. Goodwin has stated he’s interested to see how a talk forward line goes. With all due respect to North, this might be the week to try it. 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

On 4/24/2021 at 9:54 PM, Big Col said:

On a radio interview after the game, Max said that Harmes would be available next week.

Harmes might have to come back through the VFL.

We have to find a way to get BBB into the side. The North Hobart oval has some weird winds happening, and North Melbourne play it well. It would seem that next week is a particularly good time to give BBB a game and see how he can fit in.

I can't nominate anyone to be dropped though!

I really do not like Harmes in this team. Liability disposal wise and we've gotten better once he left because now we don't have 1 too many inside mids.

[DubDee 26,191]

we are six rounds in, 6 tough games, quite a few in the wet with the longer quarters.  It would be a good time to see if there are seriously sore players.  Some kids might be feeling it, Jackson, Jordon, Rivers, Kozzi.  We need to keep the team fresh and the bye is a long way off.  We have real quality in the twos.

If Jackson or T Mac are sore, I would manage one and bring Brown in.

We'll have a 6 days break after this game to take on Sydney away and we need to be full of run.  Resting players is risky though as you don't want to send the message that this game is a done deal, but still...

[MurDoc516 1,529]

14 hours ago, A F said:

I'm hearing Brown comes in this week, but not sure who will make way just yet. I'd say it'll be Melksham.

Interesting, Melksham is the kind of player you want in your team when you think you got a soft kill. But i guess so is B. Brown

[DubDee 26,191]

we 100% have to bring Brown in. Although things are great at the moment, if we want to be top 4 and seriously challenge over the next 6 months we need more fire power.

We have scored 544 points and our highest goal scorer in Fristch on 12.

On the cold wet days, low scoring games, we need Brown to pluck a few out of the air and win us games.  It will take him a few games to settle in so the time is now.

Who comes out is hard. If everyone fit, I would drop Melk. Fritsch plays more HFF and Ben Brown goes to FF

[Josh 1,420]

53 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

I certainly get the logic of not changing a winning formula and reading Goody's comments today he's decided he won't alter his line-up also with Brown and Weid to play North's VFL side on Thursday.

And I also get that anyone who suggests a change against that philosophy at the moment is going to be howled down.

But I am sorry, I just reckon that now is the perfect time to trial our planned new-look forward set-up which was halted in early Feb when Weid and Brown went down with injuries.

I certainly understood the logic of staying loyal last week against Richmond and it paid off in droves. But there is no logic in keeping an elite footballer like Brown (my understanding he's our fifth highest paid player) in the twos simply because we are winning. 

I mean let's say we win against North (which you have got to say is mega likely with our odds $1.01 at Sportsbet), then what are you gonna say to him - sorry I don't want to change a winning line-up. And what say we win against the following two weeks - home games against Sydney and Carlton - sorry Browny, you have to keep playing with Casey?

Let's say it was Oliver who had been injured, would we be willing to make room for him or tell him he has to play VFL until we lose.

Ultimately we have to confront and trial the three-headed monster and delaying the inevitable is just poor planning.

Let's find out if it works and what tweaks need to be made to it well before the finals. 

I would pay Ben Brown 2M a year to play in the seconds of it means we win every game for the rest of the year.

The problem with your oliver analogy is there are so many variations and roles that the person who was taking his role of he were injured. 

For Brown to get in it's McDonald out. 

It's not the players, it's the system. Richmond don't have a 3 headed monster and they are the bench mark.

McDonald was told to shop around for tis very reason. And I've heard that he is super fit and playing well out of spite for the way he was treated in exit interview. Will be gone next year.

 

Weideman on the other hand ??‍♂️

[58er 6,680]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

I would pay Ben Brown 2M a year to play in the seconds of it means we win every game for the rest of the year.

The problem with your oliver analogy is there are so many variations and roles that the person who was taking his role of he were injured. 

For Brown to get in it's McDonald out. 

It's not the players, it's the system. Richmond don't have a 3 headed monster and they are the bench mark.

McDonald was told to shop around for tis very reason. And I've heard that he is super fit and playing well out of spite for the way he was treated in exit interview. Will be gone next year.

 

Weideman on the other hand ??‍♂️

I'll be surprised if T MAC is playing in spite. That is not the only motive he is displaying ( if at all) He is just super fit and playing dangerously and can see the big picture.

He may not have liked the edict but has responded superbly and is a giant reason why the forward line is a force to be reckoned with.

He has always been a Club person and I believe as a Life Member is undoubtedly still!

[Josh 1,420]

6 minutes ago, 58er said:

I'll be surprised if T MAC is playing in spite. That is not the only motive he is displaying ( if at all) He is just super fit and playing dangerously and can see the big picture.

He may not have liked the edict but has responded superbly and is a giant reason why the forward line is a force to be reckoned with.

He has always been a Club person and I believe as a Life Member is undoubtedly still!

Sorry spite probably the wrong word. Got fit out of anger. Was not happy.

I agree he is keeping ben Brown out of a gig, and will continue too I think

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

On 4/24/2021 at 10:30 PM, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Understand the logic of not changing a winning line up, but would love to see Brown come in and kick a lazy 7 against the club that screwed him!

We're going to cream North Melbourne - this is a new age starting Round One this year. Rub the crystallised sea salt into the Kangas' wounds in the process; give 'em a double dose for all the umpire-affected wins they had against us in the dark ages that reside as constant memories of MFC pain.

The double dose would be BBrown to kick at least 5 goals against them and due to our sarcasm, throw Daw in for good measure  (he's tag-teamed with BB for a few years, now); Daw can kick 3 or 4 goals and with his reach, out-tap Goldstein a few times.

[brendan 3,439]

I would say to jones now that you have hit 300 your now the perfect sub for us, he will get the games record and will still get to play every now and then.

brown in

jones to sub 

[hemingway 7,633]

It’s all about balance, mobility, run and defensive pressure. Our current 22 have that in spades, Melksham aside. 

I simply can’t see how BB or Weed help our game whilst TM continues to take marks and kick goals. 

[Willmoy1947 4,169]

The great unknowns. There is a couple of blokes who should be injured after that game. ANB, Oliver and Viney. I know they aren't forwards except for ANB but Brown for ANB appears ok

[Diamond_Jim 12,642]

26 minutes ago, hemingway said:

It’s all about balance, mobility, run and defensive pressure. Our current 22 have that in spades, Melksham aside. 

I simply can’t see how BB or Weed help our game whilst TM continues to take marks and kick goals. 

BB is a top drawer forward. Injured in 2020 but before that he was always near and about the Coleman winner.

Need to find room if even as a decoy forward.

The VFL comp looks middling at best and will tell us little that we don't know.

[Demonland 73,266]

Someone in the comments on a Demonland Facebook post (yes I know impeccable source) mentioned that Viney had a scan on his foot. Haven't seen this anywhere else? Anybody confirm this?

[old55 23,800]

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/920748/vfl-round-2-report-casey-continues-winning-ways

"Round three sees the [Casey] Demons head to Marvel Stadium for a Thursday night feature game against North Melbourne."

Changes for MFC vs North should be telegraphed by who lines up in this match on Thursday night ...

[leave it to deever 17,546]

Not sure who comes out.

I was dissappointed by the SWs exclusion in the laat game but I now accept that I just dont know. The club keeps making the right call.

I do want to see Bbb come in because he is a big star. Especially agsinst his old club.

The way Jackson and Tmac have played it wont be them , they are the last out.

I get the feeling Luke Jackson is going to be a big part of our future success for a very long time.

But Bbb in please Mfc.