6 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

I noticed that Goodwin was having a chat with Kozzi after the incident. Looked like he was giving him some advice on how to handle himself. Kozzie is still young and callow and what makes him exciting and watchable also has the potential to backfire on him. I guess after decades of pain some of the exuberance and gloating was understandable but has the potential to derail our mojo if not checked. I recall in the 1990’s we beat WC in Perth in an upset and there was some ugly disrespectful things from our players at the end of the game. Ever since they have been paying us back. 

Goody's comments indicated much the same in the post game press conference. I've noticed our senior players don't whinge to the umpires like those of other clubs, e.g. Geelong, we just crack in harder on the next play to get the ball back. As a supporter this is the sort of behaviour I want to see. Things started to get a bit silly in the fourth, fines will be handed out on both sides for the melee, and Kozi will learn to be more humble in the future.

Staying humble is important. It's so fun right now when we're winning to say it's all justified, but remember that game vs St Kilda in 2017 when we mocked them and then didn't make the finals?

So I'm not sure about Pickett pointing to the scoreboard. 6-0 is incredible but it's not a premiership. It's not even qualification for finals, let alone a finals win.

However...

The aggression on the field is to be commended (so long as it stays within the laws of the game). So I have no issue, at all, with Pickett roughing up Mansell. Richmond were playing dirty all night: Edwards bumped Oliver late and hit him in the throat. A Richmond supporter near me said "next time hit him harder and knock him out". Every time Gawn got back in the hole, whichever Richmond player was coming up essentially made Gawn their primary target and the ball secondary. Their persona is typified by Tom Lynch, who is a top 10 dog of the competition, if not the number one.

45 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

My sister was telling me this morning that a Richmond supporter woman sitting in front of them got all upset and had words with my sisters 12 yo son, because he was saying Richmond's ruckman was crap.  Lol.

The Richmond guys in front of us were very lippy early on, calling Fritsch soft for wearing a glove etc. Didn't hear boo from them from midway through the 2nd ?

Edwards was a sniper.

7 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Goody's comments indicated much the same in the post game press conference. I've noticed our senior players don't whinge to the umpires like those of other clubs, e.g. Geelong, we just crack in harder on the next play to get the ball back. As a supporter this is the sort of behaviour I want to see. Things started to get a bit silly in the fourth, fines will be handed out on both sides for the melee, and Kozi will learn to be more humble in the future.

It's a good point and a hard thing to do (refraining from arguing with umpires). Takes a lot of discipline and in the long run it works in your favor. 

15 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I reckon this goes a bit unoticed but he always tries to hurt by going in with the knees or a flying elbow etc.

pre-meditated carelessness.

Yeah and cause he is a nice guy in the media, people love him.. he is deliberately clumsy.. loves pushing a guys face in the turf. 

On 4/20/2021 at 3:16 PM, JTR said:

 

Yeah, just a little...   ?

"If we bring our pressure and intensity like we did against the saints they are no chance. Let's be honest guys when we are on and hunting no team in history can be beat us let alone the comp. That's why we have won 3 flags out of 4 . Because our best is by far and away the best in the comp and of all time"

Thanks Donald Trump!

13 minutes ago, bingers said:

Edwards was a sniper.

Edwards should get 2 -3 with an early plea if Christian is bona fide about head high and late contact and BUMP!

8 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Every time Gawn got back in the hole, whichever Richmond player was coming up essentially made Gawn their primary target and the ball secondary. Their persona is typified by Tom Lynch, who is a top 10 dog of the competition, if not the number one.

Was furious about this at the game.

Happens every week, and it infuriates me the AFL dont make the umpires protect him. Do they want him literally knocked out of the game?

But Richmond are the worst. And agree on lynch. Sniper. Cant stand him.

And i was even more furious watching the replay with both Darcy and Richardson praising lynch and riewoldt for making Max 'earn it' and richo saying 'as a forward you just have to do it'. They must live in a world where concussion does not exist.

 

11 minutes ago, binman said:

Was furious about this at the game.

Happens every week, and it infuriates me the AFL dont make the umpires protect him. Do they want him literally knocked out of the game?

But Richmond are the worst. And agree on lynch. Sniper. Cant stand him.

And i was even more furious watching the replay with both Darcy and Richardson praising lynch and riewoldt for making Max 'earn it' and richo saying 'as a forward you just have to do it'. They must live in a world where concussion does not exist.

 

Watching drinking light beers last night - where Max took a mark and for the 5th time Nankervis was all pre-mediated tumbling on top of him and his back and neck - to make him earn it... I seriously had a moment where I worried for his future mental/physical health.

It beggars belief that there is no genuine protection for certain players who mark the ball... 

13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And this

anyone saying we are arrogant are as dumb as the dog**** AFL media

theres literally no reason to suggest we are arrogant. losing games occasionally doesn't make us arrogant

Sorry, that is a very arrogant statement. Irony?

40 minutes ago, binman said:

Was furious about this at the game.

Happens every week, and it infuriates me the AFL dont make the umpires protect him. Do they want him literally knocked out of the game?

But Richmond are the worst. And agree on lynch. Sniper. Cant stand him.

And i was even more furious watching the replay with both Darcy and Richardson praising lynch and riewoldt for making Max 'earn it' and richo saying 'as a forward you just have to do it'. They must live in a world where concussion does not exist.

 

Think this works both ways. Distinctly remember Neitz targeting defenders or ruckman that drop into the hole. And boy did he hit them hard.

We should continue to do it as well. It's a tough competition.

12 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Think this works both ways. Distinctly remember Neitz targeting defenders or ruckman that drop into the hole. And boy did he hit them hard.

We should continue to do it as well. It's a tough competition.

Neits played two decades plus ago.

Since then we have learnt about the cause and the God awful symptoms of cte. 

Deliberate hits to the head have has no place in our game.  

And I'm pleased say neirher lever and may resort to it.

 

7 hours ago, Jaded said:

[censored] lol at Richmond supporters saying we are insufferable. 
They are a bunch of abusive drunk bozos. I’ve been to games before where they were winning and I felt genuinely unsafe. 
Even on the train home last night, a few drunk Richmond fans were trying to start something. 
Low class bogans. 

They'll be back to baking rats and belting the missus in no time. Fortunately there are plenty of rats available in Richmond. 

10 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

From puntroadend 

The umpiring was predictably woeful. Gross inconsistency in the holding the man/ball interpretations. Some appalling decisions relating to whether a kick had or had not gone 15 metres. Plenty of throws missed, this truly is a blight on the game. If the AFL wants to allow throwing then they can go and re-form the VFA and [censored] off quite frankly - enforce the bloody rules.

22nd man beat me to it, but Melbourne should really be very disappointed in that crowd. 56,000 was pathetic and I reckon half the crowd were Richmond. They were 5-0 and playing the reigning premiers and still didn't turn up in numbers. They can blame COVID or the weather but in reality it was just pathetic. There should have been at least 70,000 there tonight and the Melbourne supporters should have clearly outnumbered us at their own home game. No idea how many (few) members they have but Melbourne supporters are looking like their own stereotype of heartless supporters who aren't even fair weather supporters since they didn't even turn up tonight. Their heart beats true? Really? They are a club without a heart and they may have fixed the culture amongst the playing group but they have a hell of a lot of work to get a culture amongst their supporter base.

DS

 

I was very disappointed with the crowd too...

2 hours ago, chookrat said:

Goody's comments indicated much the same in the post game press conference. I've noticed our senior players don't whinge to the umpires like those of other clubs, e.g. Geelong, we just crack in harder on the next play to get the ball back. As a supporter this is the sort of behaviour I want to see. Things started to get a bit silly in the fourth, fines will be handed out on both sides for the melee, and Kozi will learn to be more humble in the future.

except for mcdonald & oliver.. but yes, generally, we don't sook we play on.

Edited April 25, 20214 yr by Rocky

2 hours ago, chookrat said:

Goody's comments indicated much the same in the post game press conference. I've noticed our senior players don't whinge to the umpires like those of other clubs, e.g. Geelong, we just crack in harder on the next play to get the ball back. As a supporter this is the sort of behaviour I want to see. Things started to get a bit silly in the fourth, fines will be handed out on both sides for the melee, and Kozi will learn to be more humble in the future.

I know a member of the umpiring panel and the clubs are getting smarter. I was told that after round 3 Brisbane asked the umpires for feedback on who at their club has been giving lip as they want to stop it. The umpires have spent many hours at all clubs pre season working with clubs educating them about the new man on the mark rule. My contact has been at MFC practise a few times and was happy to tell me that they we are one of the better clubs when it comes to respecting umpires. It annoys me that Geelong and Richmond players are always putting their arms up and appealing for cheap frees. It came as no surprise to me when I asked about Selwood that he is one of the worst.

10 hours ago, fr_ap said:

I actually don't disagree with many of their observations. Many dees fans around me were embarrassing with their gloating - was a fantastic win and no one knows what it's like to have been a dees fan, but you'd expect some humility given all we have gone through. It is only April.

I don't agree that Tigers fans weren't like this in 2017 though. I recall they were, led by Riewoldt on field. 

I might be the only one but I didn't enjoy Kozzie's actions in the 4th. Mansell had held him well all day (with some sniping/rough stuff but par for the course)

 

I doubt a punch in the 'nads is par for the course.

I'm pretty sure he coped a punch to the nads before his shot at goal from the boundary.

He reached to his right groin and was grimacing. They targeted him and he triumphed over it.

I was at the 2000 GF.

No protection for our boys that day

Simmons very lucky not to be a paraplegic.

Never Forget. Never Forgive

According to Richmond BigFooty every Dees player is a 'campaigner'. I think they need to work on expanding their vocabulary as a collective, there are far more creative insults out there!

1 hour ago, binman said:

Neits played two decades plus ago.

Since then we have learnt about the cause and the God awful symptoms of cte. 

Deliberate hits to the head have has no place in our game.  

And I'm pleased say neirher lever and may resort to it.

 

It's not so much the hits to the head these days.
It's the knees into the back and ribs, but hell.
Ruthless clubs win premierships.
 
 

7 minutes ago, Luther said:

According to Richmond BigFooty every Dees player is a 'campaigner'. I think they need to work on expanding their vocabulary as a collective, there are far more creative insults out there!

That's what the bigfooty autocensor substitutes when another "c" word is typed in

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I reckon this goes a bit unoticed but he always tries to hurt by going in with the knees or a flying elbow etc.

pre-meditated carelessness.

He did it in the 2017 game. Put his knees into one of our guys right on the MCC wing in front of us and our guy bit back (can't remember who), Cotchin got the free kick, the momentum turned and they ran all over us.

He's become a good leader, but he's very Selwood. Little [censored]. 

Edited April 25, 20214 yr by A F

5 hours ago, fr_ap said:

Glad to hear Goodwin was having a word. Mentioned in his presser too that Kossie needs to deal with the attention better. More or less vindicates my concern so I'm not sure why it's hyperbole. 

I haven't seen the incident in full in replay but from what I could see, Kossie somewhat instigated it.

Agree with what you're saying though - passionate young kid who will mature in time. Just need to watch he doesn't overstep it in the meantime as I said, because the media narrative can quickly turn on him and like it or not, that can impact performance and careers. 

If a Richmond player had done this, we would be baying for blood and calling him a sniper. People were already calling Mansell a thug and sniper and he barely did anything.

It’s what Mansell did prior to the free kick, and ultimately the melee, that caused Kossie to react the way he did. Sniper. But what do you expect with Hardwick as coach

I,m trying to name a dirty player in our Team, seriously? And i'm a lovely person. This is fun, and far better than being regarded as "shouldn't be in the AFL, not good enough to play certain days, who would want to play for them and needs to merge with other clubs"

My sons have been waiting for this type of team to be the team that they have seen in all the other Clubs at one time or another.

Fair , tough and successful. That's all it's about, ask any Coach...