On 30/04/2021 at 01:15, Deestroy All said:

So matter of fact. He kicked 4 against a patchwork North reserves under a roof. If Brown and Tomald both kick 5 is he still an automatic in in your mind?

Yes, no matter what happens vs North I would drop McDonald and bring in the Weid.

Its inevitable that McDonald falls apart soon, we should get in ahead of that happening.

  On 30/04/2021 at 01:21, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yes, no matter what happens vs North I would drop McDonald and bring in the Weid.

Its inevitable that McDonald falls apart soon, we should get in ahead of that happening.

What a ridiculous notion. Based on that logic, we should drop Stephen May because he is 29 and bring in Harry Petty immediately because he is younger and out of contract. Regardless of form. 

  On 30/04/2021 at 01:36, Tough Kent said:

What a ridiculous notion. Based on that logic, we should drop Stephen May because he is 29 and bring in Harry Petty immediately because he is younger and out of contract. Regardless of form. 

 

 No we obviously shouldn't drop May hes a superstar.    T Mac isn't, hes easily replaceable.

 

Gerard Healy believes virtually every club in the competition should be inquiring about the future of Melbourne forward Sam Weideman, who was overlooked at AFL selection yet again despite brilliant VFL form.

 

Now ask yourself why every team in the comp would want Weid?   It would be so Melbourne to lose our young KPF while going into 2022 with two almost 30 year old injury prone tall forwards.

You don't flirt with your form. You pick the side that gets it done for you. If T-Mac's form drops away, you drop him. What message does it say to our players when they are getting dropped because of their birth certificate?

I think you're giving Weid far too little credit. He won't sook up because he's not getting a run at the moment. His time will come. It's a great position for the club to be in. 

It's just unfortunate that he had the preseason injury or he'd be firmly in our best 22. He just has to keep performing in the VFL and his time will come and when it does I'm confident he'll grab the opportunity. Still early days, a long season ahead of us.

  On 30/04/2021 at 01:58, Pickett2Jackson said:

Gerard Healy believes virtually every club in the competition should be inquiring about the future of Melbourne forward Sam Weideman, who was overlooked at AFL selection yet again despite brilliant VFL form.

 

Now ask yourself why every team in the comp would want Weid?   It would be so Melbourne to lose our young KPF while going into 2022 with two almost 30 year old injury prone tall forwards.

Not sure Gerard Healy is any more an expert on such things than you or I, either way I wouldn’t be putting any faith that Wied is the future down fwd for us. He is a nearly 24 year old in his 5th year of AFL football played under 50 games and only averaging just over a goal a game. Those aren’t the number of someone who is going to be a star. Hogan in the same time with the club played 71 games and kicked over 150 goals all despite battling multiple injuries and off field issues and he is considered a failure. I think people need some perspective on Wieds career he is a middle of the road player at best.

Edited April 30, 20213 yr by Garbo

Six games in...MFCSS..

I want to see The Weid kick 6-7 goals a game for 5-6 weeks before he plays Senior Football. 
so when he gets in the side, he stays there as a KEY FWD
 

  On 30/04/2021 at 00:25, Engorged Onion said:

Is it a stretch to say if Sam is not included in next week, it would be prudent for him to be looking elsewhere, as he is not valued enough? (perhaps this is a rhetorical question?) (perhaps that is a rhetorical question also?)

I think Sam is all class when he gets the ball in hand... I look at him and wonder about his urgency at the same time though.

If he is not a pressure forward, then what would be the metrics he needs to be hitting?

So many questions about Sam... 

 

Last time I spoke to his dad (very late last year) this and his attack on contents were two areas his dad and the coaches were encouraging him to work on.

  On 30/04/2021 at 00:29, Pickett2Jackson said:

If he doesn't play next week he will leave to another club at the end of season and we will be stuck with a 30 year old Tom McDonald as our key forward in 2022.  Need I remind everyone of what McDonald did in 2019 and 2020.  

It would be a list management disaster.

#bringintheweid

I don't think you can blame McDonald solely for his form in 2019 / 2020.  He had injuries, was clearly asked to bulk up to play a key position forward role he wasn't suited to and was asked to carry the forward line when the team was playing poorly.  I don't think Weid / Brown would have necessarily done much better.

TMac has always performed better when there are other tall targets in the forwardline and given his running capacity, I think having a mix of Brown / Weid / Jackson in the team will allow us to get the best out of him.

  On 30/04/2021 at 01:21, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yes, no matter what happens vs North I would drop McDonald and bring in the Weid.

Its inevitable that McDonald falls apart soon, we should get in ahead of that happening.

Because Weid has done what exactly?

  On 30/04/2021 at 04:06, Garbo said:

Not sure Gerard Healy is any more an expert on such things than you or I, either way I wouldn’t be putting any faith that Wied is the future down fwd for us. He is a nearly 24 year old in his 5th year of AFL football played under 50 games and only averaging just over a goal a game. Those aren’t the number of someone who is going to be a star. Hogan in the same time with the club played 71 games and kicked over 150 goals all despite battling multiple injuries and off field issues and he is considered a failure. I think people need some perspective on Wieds career he is a middle of the road player at best.

It's unbelievable how many don't realise this

  On 30/04/2021 at 05:10, —coach— said:

Last time I spoke to his dad (very late last year) this and his attack on contents were two areas his dad and the coaches were encouraging him to work on.

Nice to hear.

Was there a distinction made between his technique and tactical awareness on his attacks vs his desire for body contact (or lack thereof), which is more of a  default setting....

I like the lad, but against a deplorable team last night (without BBB) he should have kicked at least 8 goals and owned that forward 50. Frankly im not sure he will ever become the player we all had hoped for.

I just dont know how you can fit BBB, LJ, TMac and Weid into the one forward line. i like Kozzy, Spargs and Fritsch in there to mix it up so you'd have to leave them as-is. 

  On 30/04/2021 at 04:06, Garbo said:

Not sure Gerard Healy is any more an expert on such things than you or I, either way I wouldn’t be putting any faith that Wied is the future down fwd for us. He is a nearly 24 year old in his 5th year of AFL football played under 50 games and only averaging just over a goal a game. Those aren’t the number of someone who is going to be a star. Hogan in the same time with the club played 71 games and kicked over 150 goals all despite battling multiple injuries and off field issues and he is considered a failure. I think people need some perspective on Wieds career he is a middle of the road player at best.

Firstly, young players improve, particularly key forwards. I would argue that Weideman has delivered a similar output to Josh Kennedy (WCE) and Tom Hawkins at the same number of games.

Secondly, in 2020 he was 17th in the league for goals per game at 1.5. He is already much better than a middle of the road player.

I'm still not sold that he's the Messiah so many believe

  On 29/04/2021 at 08:29, Winter Dan said:

I'm the same. Thought Weid showed a lot last year. 

I also suspect Weid is a better option than BBB as I believe Weid has a better rounded game. 

I'm also bias b/c I'm nervous his moving on EOY if he doesn't get games and we need his age bracket. 

Weid better then Brown? Brown kicked 60 goals 3 years in a row. Get real ?

Could someone contact Johnathon Brown and ask him how for an update on how things are going with Weid, so as this MFCSS topic doesn't get further off the rails...

  On 30/04/2021 at 04:58, Sir Why You Little said:

I want to see The Weid kick 6-7 goals a game for 5-6 weeks before he plays Senior Football. 
so when he gets in the side, he stays there as a KEY FWD
 

 

 

 

I get your point SWYL however he's not playing as the deep forward to really do this.  He jagged 7 two weeks back then played high last week and a mixture of high and deep last night.  He took two grabs in close within range and gave them off and still kicked 4.4 under the roof which was a good result.

The challenge will remain for him playing in the gale forced winds at some of the VFL grounds, primarily at home.

Not sure if he will be a deep key forward back in the ones (if/when he gets back) as surely that will go to BBB.

  On 30/04/2021 at 04:06, Garbo said:

Not sure Gerard Healy is any more an expert on such things than you or I, either way I wouldn’t be putting any faith that Wied is the future down fwd for us. He is a nearly 24 year old in his 5th year of AFL football played under 50 games and only averaging just over a goal a game. Those aren’t the number of someone who is going to be a star. Hogan in the same time with the club played 71 games and kicked over 150 goals all despite battling multiple injuries and off field issues and he is considered a failure. I think people need some perspective on Wieds career he is a middle of the road player at best.

 

  On 30/04/2021 at 05:19, loges said:

It's unbelievable how many don't realise this

I think a lot of people forget that he as a scrawny, weak 18 year kid with bung ankles (I think) when we picked him against Hogan who was a man child finishing a year in the VFL.  Comparing the two is irrelevant.

He showed a lot during the middle of last year but struggled again towards the end when our matches become scrums rather than the open footy that's going on this season.

I don't think he'll ever be a star but believe he is an above average forward and believe he will be a very good role player - similar to TMac with a similar ceiling.  Fortunately for us (and unfortunately for Sam) 2018 TMac has returned.

I'm not sure of the answer if we remain injury free but I do worry about losing a key forward who has another 8 years left at the top level who would get a game for 17 other teams right now if he remains in the twos.

Especially when in my thoughts, he had more of an impact on the first two VFL games of BBB.  

We’re going to have injuries, form slumps, the need to rest players throughout the season. Weideman will get his chance and maybe with the added pressure he’ll become the player we all want to see.

  On 30/04/2021 at 05:44, CYB said:

I like the lad, but against a deplorable team last night (without BBB) he should have kicked at least 8 goals and owned that forward 50. Frankly im not sure he will ever become the player we all had hoped for.

I just dont know how you can fit BBB, LJ, TMac and Weid into the one forward line. i like Kozzy, Spargs and Fritsch in there to mix it up so you'd have to leave them as-is. 

Right now Tmac and LJ are set in concrete. BB and the Weid need to prove they can cut it at senior level. Brown gets his chance this weekend , the Weid will have to wait for someone to drop form or get injured. 

  On 30/04/2021 at 06:13, ucanchoose said:

I'm still not sold that he's the Messiah so many believe

You are not alone.

  On 30/04/2021 at 01:21, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yes, no matter what happens vs North I would drop McDonald and bring in the Weid.

Its inevitable that McDonald falls apart soon, we should get in ahead of that happening.

There’ve been some silly comments on here, but that’s gotta be right up there. So it doesn’t matter if TMac has a dominant game and is in close to career best form, you drop him just because you think it’s inevitable that he falls apart soon. 

What if this year is some of the best footy he’s playing but dropping him kills his confidence?

TMac plays until he loses form (over two week period minimum) or gets injured, simple as that. I would look at “managing” Tom at some point, which will give Weid his chance to shine and should Sam perform well it becomes his spot to lose. 

  On 30/04/2021 at 05:43, Engorged Onion said:

Nice to hear.

Was there a distinction made between his technique and tactical awareness on his attacks vs his desire for body contact (or lack thereof), which is more of a  default setting....

 Not really, was more a case of using his size to be confident in attacking the ball then following up that effort if the ball comes to ground

  On 30/04/2021 at 06:13, ucanchoose said:

I'm still not sold that he's the Messiah so many believe

Maybe he’s just a naughty boy.