Mahoney's Trade Plan

[Lucifers Hero 40,709]

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Don't expect too many more changes to the list: 

“Apart from Isaac, we are not targeting outside run specifically during this period...We’ll back in a number of players we have on our list currently, and give more opportunities to the likes of Oskar Baker, James Harmes, Jayden Hunt and Adam Tomlinson who can all play a similar type of role.”

“We see our greatest improvement coming from our current list of players, as they continue to develop their own games and roles by playing and training together.”

Josh may be joshing but he sounds fair dinkum.

But, who knows what will come out of the woodwork but I'm not betting on any more 'big' or even 'medium' fish.

[adonski 13,235]

I don't buy any of it.

They're not 'specifically' going after a winger, but a winger is among our wants, I would say....

Edited November 3, 2020 by adonski

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,817]

If were not trying to bring in a Phillips or a Higgins type then we will be treading water for a third year in a row.

 

[Marcus94 100]

I'm hoping he's trying to downplay everything to try and keep the clubs off seasons business ''hush hush''  so he can have meetings with players without getting too much attention.

On the other hand if he thinks that just adding Brown to the club is enough for this off season, then I won't be very impressed. Another winger and an upgrade to one of our small forwards is a must.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

I wonder which other ruck/forwards apart from McKernan they are looking at. Sam Hayes at Port?

Otherwise I hope we look very hard at cheap key defensive depth, a half back and a half forward just to turn over the list.

But preserving draft capital has to be a factor too. Even if it’s just 2nd and 3rd round picks we need to give JT a chance rather than spending on NQR types.

[Lucifers Hero 40,709]

I'm tending to accept him at face value. 

In part because he usually plays with a straight bat and in part all the recent re-signings of players (that many on here would happily delist) suggests not many existing players will be exited, unless it is contracted players ala Preuss, TMac.  Even then that only leaves a few list spots to add draftees or promote rookies eg Lockhart.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lefty 413]

I hope Mahoney's not phoning it in for his last trade period with the club. 

If we can't bring in outside pace because of poor list management then that is on him.

[Cards13 9,117]

6 minutes ago, Lefty said:

I hope Mahoney's not phoning it in for his last trade period with the club. 

If we can't bring in outside pace because of poor list management then that is on him.

Yea mate he’s just sitting back with his feet up on the desk whistling Dixie, throwing paper airplanes into the rubbish bin across the office. 

[Adam The God 30,706]

I'm more inclined to think we've landed our main target in Brown, we expected Smith, but he pulled the rug out from under us, so now we have to wait on other deals.

We have to rely on Preuss, the McDonalds, Vandenberg, ANB and maybe Nev finding new homes, and depending on what comes from those trades, we'll then have plan b, c and d in mind to move from there.

I think we'd like Phillips, I think we'd like a small forward and anything else that falls out from other teams this trade period we'll be open to at the right price.

It could be a really interesting trade period for us or a really uneventful one outside of Brown. It's the McDonalds and Preuss will go too at a minimum.

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[reynolds46 1,310]

So the club identified a need for outside run targeted Smith to fill that need, missed out and now think our current list will cover it?

[Sir Why You Little 37,449]

We have to sort out TMac before anything else can be done. 
we are also backing Darren Burgess to make our current list better 

It all starts Tomorrow...

[dazzledavey36 56,269]

Blind faith.

Miss out on Smith, and then not even having a plan B because he chose not to come to us, even though he was a specific target with his outside run.. 

Cheers Mahns

[Roost it far 10,074]

We don’t have the draft picks or the cash to be big players. Brown was cheap and a great get. After that we’d have to offer players and our list is virtually untradeable, either needed or not worth anything

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[Lord Travis 10,817]

20 minutes ago, reynolds46 said:

So the club identified a need for outside run targeted Smith to fill that need, missed out and now think our current list will cover it?

Baffling isn't it. We identified an issue, didn't land the player we targeted, so we'll bury our head in the sand and pretend the issue has disappeared. Brilliant stuff!

[spirit of norm smith 16,677]

We will have Hannan, Preuss and probably Tmc to give us extra picks and should have bargaining power to get a Phillips and or Narkle into the club. 
 

Mahoney must have watched a different team in 2020. No more runners needed?  Ffs  

We fixed the wing on one side through getting Ed Langdon.  ✅
 

We need another midfield runner for the other wing. You can’t rely on Baker or Hunt. Phillips is going to be available and is a perfect fit. 
 

Maybe Mahoney already has one foot out the door. 

[Lucifers Hero 40,709]

I'm wondering if this means we have no serious takers for TMac or if we do it doesn't get us enough currency in Sal cap space or picks to do much with.

I'm guessing if we have a taker for him we will take the deal to reset our list and sal cap balance going fwd (to next year).

It also suggests we will keep our 2021 pics which is great as it is touted to be an excellent draft, unencumbered by too many Academy and F/S picks.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Baffling isn't it. We identified an issue, didn't land the player we targeted, so we'll bury our head in the sand and pretend the issue has disappeared. Brilliant stuff!

We identified a player who brings on and off field skills and had worked with our incoming midfield coach, that’s not the same as saying we desperately needed outside run. 
 

Improving coaching and team work will be the biggest improvements we can make. After that we need to add good players at the right price rather than paying up for short term additions 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

He had better be going hard at Treloar. 

[Deestinga2 83]

7 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

We will have Hannan, Preuss and probably Tmc to give us extra picks and should have bargaining power to get a Phillips and or Narkle into the club. 
 

Mahoney must have watched a different team in 2020. No more runners needed?  Ffs  

We fixed the wing on one side through getting Ed Langdon.  ✅
 

We need another midfield runner for the other wing. You can’t rely on Baker or Hunt. Phillips is going to be available and is a perfect fit. 
 

Maybe Mahoney already has one foot out the door. 

Why cant we rely on Baker? Showed a fair bit towards the end of this year. Hunt is a good option for the wing, so is Salem and Harmes. He did also say "specifically", i think if a good one comes up that fits with our strategies, we would grab that player. Treloar anyone?

 

[AshleyH30 566]

Okay, I'm going try and analyze everything Mahoney mentioned. And note, none of this is based on inside information, but rather what has been said here, on social media and by journalists.

Anyway, we targeted Isaac Smith as a free agent and Ben Brown (not a heavy price). We've managed to land Brown, but we failed in securing Smith.

This is where my analysis of the plan comes in. We want to move higher up the draft, this was/is hinging on only having to give up a small price for Brown and nothing for Smith. Because we failed in securing Smith, our chances of moving up in the draft are diminished if we have to give picks up for a player on the wing. We may have decided it was easier to get an early pick without giving up much, than use those picks on a player for the wing and have to use next years picks (which is considered a stronger draft than this one) on moving up in the draft this year.

It's just my thoughts, and I don't particularity agree with this approach if it is accurate, but I would prefer to get a winger than move up in the draft this year when we don't know how Covid has affected the talent pool.

[Adam The God 30,706]

15 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

Okay, I'm going try and analyze everything Mahoney mentioned. And note, none of this is based on inside information, but rather what has been said here, on social media and by journalists.

Anyway, we targeted Isaac Smith as a free agent and Ben Brown (not a heavy price). We've managed to land Brown, but we failed in securing Smith.

This is where my analysis of the plan comes in. We want to move higher up the draft, this was/is hinging on only having to give up a small price for Brown and nothing for Smith. Because we failed in securing Smith, our chances of moving up in the draft are diminished if we have to give picks up for a player on the wing. We may have decided it was easier to get an early pick without giving up much, than use those picks on a player for the wing and have to use next years picks (which is considered a stronger draft than this one) on moving up in the draft this year.

It's just my thoughts, and I don't particularity agree with this approach if it is accurate, but I would prefer to get a winger than move up in the draft this year when we don't know how Covid has affected the talent pool.

Good post. The bolded bit feels pretty close to the mark.

The attraction of Smith was probably threefold: i) cheap ii) from a good culture iii) elite wingman. Now that he's slipped through the other options are not quite as good. Polec is arguably as good as Smith, but is expensive. Phillips is cheaper, but his kicking isn't as good as Polec or Smith.

Adding Phillips would still improve us, but the trade off has to be between holding our future first rounder and landing both Brown and Phillips with a second rounder, which seems fair for both. We might be able to get Phillips for a third rounder given the salary cap squeeze, but it depends whether a player goes back the other way.

I reckon they'll also have an eye on the long term as well, which means trying to get back into the first round this year if we like one or two players. Bringing in another young kid that is ready to go, but will grow with Jackson, Rivers and Pickett must be apart of our thinking. Certainly, it would be tempting to give Taylor another hit at a first rounder, otherwise our picks are speculative and will likely go on upgrades as @Lucifer's Hero points out.

The other spectre is, as you say, the COVID-affected draft year.

[spirit of norm smith 16,677]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Good post. The bolded bit feels pretty close to the mark.

The attraction of Smith was probably threefold: i) cheap ii) from a good culture iii) elite wingman. Now that he's slipped through the other options are not quite as good. Polec is arguably as good as Smith, but is expensive. Phillips is cheaper, but his kicking isn't as good as Polec or Smith.

Adding Phillips would still improve us, but the trade off has to be between holding our future first rounder and landing both Brown and Phillips with a second rounder, which seems fair for both. We might be able to get Phillips for a third rounder given the salary cap squeeze, but it depends whether a player goes back the other way.

I reckon they'll also have an eye on the long term as well, which means trying to get back into the first round this year if we like one or two players. Bringing in another young kid that is ready to go, but will grow with Jackson, Rivers and Pickett must be apart of our thinking. Certainly, it would be tempting to give Taylor another hit at a first rounder, otherwise our picks are speculative and will likely go on upgrades as @Lucifer's Hero points out.

The other spectre is, as you say, the COVID-affected draft year.

I thought that we would spend the GWS trade pick in to acquire a Tom Phillips. ie. Trade out surplus and look to immediately fix a known gap that improves the team for a push in 2021.

Maybe I have a view that we need to push ahead for the “now” or risk dropping down again as others like Blues and Freo push past us. 

[DemonOX 8,857]

Why would we come out in the media and lay down our cards for getting players. Its doesnt make any sense. Trade period hasnt even started yet.

In saying that if we dont get anymore players (for wing etc) then JM is an [censored].

[DemonOX 8,857]

59 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Blind faith.

and then not even having a plan B 

Cheers Mahns

Its like watching game day all over again. (Groundhog day)

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

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“Apart from Isaac, we are not targeting outside run specifically during this period...We’ll back in a number of players we have on our list currently, and give more opportunities to the likes of Oskar Baker, James Harmes, Jayden Hunt and Adam Tomlinson who can all play a similar type of role.”

 

 

I'd rather give  current day Peter Matera a contract than go into 2021 relying on one of those four guys to be our other winger.

Could be another year of struggles on the MCG, which we absolutely cant afford.