Farewell Sam Weideman

[dazzledavey36 48,864]

27 minutes ago, Ham said:

You seem to have.... issues. 

Why do we have a ruckman as the forward/kicking coach? 

No mate you've had a shocker with that post..

Blaming the club for Weidemans development? Spare me seriously..

It's not Jack's Watts/Cam Schwab era you know.

Edited June 5, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[Damo 2,997]

I think its ok to say that Sam may be improving but it is a slow ride. It is also ok to say that Ben Brown is more mature and this year and probably next would be a better option.

I find it interesting that people give a firm opinion and then tell us that football clubs dont rate supporters opinions.

[Jaded No More 58,122]

His confidence in front of goal is a major issue. Either he needs to work one on one with Williams or a sports psychologist, or he needs to stick to VFL where there is no pressure. 
He doesn’t have much time to work it out. We can’t take this level of inconsistency into finals especially when Ben Brown is waiting around. 

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,941]

30 minutes ago, Ham said:

You didn't address the point I made, at all.

Weideman hasn't had ANY decent development at all. He contacted J. Brown in the off-season for 'advice'. Whenever that's happening (like King going to Lloyd) it's a sign that SOMETHING IS WRONG (and clearly in the St. Kilda case, they didn't like it, so they put a line through it). Put the correct people at the club (like they have in every other facet it would seem) and we may see some improvement with the development of Weideman. 

Why do we have a ruckman as our forward/kicking coach?

The reason we're winning is our defence.

The reason we aren't putting teams away by 50-80+ is because we have a ruckman as our forward/kicking coach.

There’s a thread started recently titled “Our kids are doing great”, not only are our young players doing great but the majority of our players have made improvements in their games. To suggest Weid hasn’t had any decent development is not true. He was drafted in 2015 so he’s had Roos and Goodwin as senior coaches as well as assistants including Brendan McCartney, Alan Richardson and more recently Choco and Yze. But since when has kicking Beene now issue of his? He had a shocker last night, but he is normally a great set shot, his misses last night were very gettable.

Our defence is outstanding but not the only reason where winning goals, and yes we could be winning by more but we still don’t have a settled forward line. Players need to accept some accountability.

[McQueen 17,864]

Keep him and get him to do the same pre season as Tmac with agility training at the top of priority list. 

He was filthy with himself walking off the ground last night - I really felt for him. All the other lads were super pleased but Sam was clearly self aware of another poor performance. 
 

The clock is ticking for Sam... but for now Brown must be given another crack. 

[Ted Lasso 16,822]

Weid is doing alot right, it's just not quite sticking. we've gotta back him in, it's so close i reckon. 

he's getting both hands to the ball regaularly, and he's bringing it to ground. 

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[Ham 741]

35 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Just on Stafford as coach, why would a professional club employ someone in a role if they're not fit for the purpose, and then continue on the knowledge that that person is not fit for purpose?

 

Just because they've made a decision to employ him in that role, doesn't mean it's the right one. 

Go by that logic and all the coaches they let go of last year would still be at the club.

MFC need a new forward/kicking coach as far as I'm concerned, Stafford isn't doing a good enough job.

[Ted Lasso 16,822]

2 minutes ago, Ham said:

Just because they've made a decision to employ him in that role, doesn't mean it's the right one. 

Go by that logic and all the coaches they let go of last year would still be at the club.

MFC need a new forward/kicking coach as far as I'm concerned, Stafford isn't doing a good enough job.

Mate, every single forward has improved this year including Weideman. if you watch his VFL form you see his game has taken a leap, his inability to translate to AFL level has nothing to do with coaching, it's a mental challenge for him. 

having uninformed digs at coaches when your team is 11-1 and just about every player has improved makes you look very silly. 

[Ham 741]

41 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No mate you've had a shocker with that post..

Blaming the club for Weidemans development? Spare me seriously..

It's not Jack's Watts/Cam Schwab era you know.

Blaming the club for employing a ruckman as a forward/kicking coach. 

Go and employ the right person for the job. 

[Ham 741]

4 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Mate, every single forward has improved this year including Weideman. if you watch his VFL form you see his game has taken a leap, his inability to translate to AFL level has nothing to do with coaching, it's a mental challenge for him. 

having uninformed digs at coaches when your team is 11-1 and just about every player has improved makes you look very silly. 

Why is Weideman seeking out advice from J.Brown? 

St. Kilda quelled that type of behaviour straight away, as they wanted to back in their own.

MFC didn't back Stafford in at all, just openly let it happen?

He is not the right person for the job, employ a forward/kicking coach. 

[picket fence 15,243]

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

A key forwards job is so exactly that and he’s not. I don’t care that Ben Brown did nothing two weeks in the VFL, he’s an experienced proven player that never should have been dropped to begin with. 

Exactly spot on!!

[Ted Lasso 16,822]

2 minutes ago, Ham said:

Why is Weideman seeking out advice from J.Brown? 

St. Kilda quelled that type of behaviour straight away, as they wanted to back in their own.

MFC didn't back Stafford in at all, just openly let it happen?

He is not the right person for the job, employ a forward/kicking coach. 

Players seeking out mentors outside of the club in addition to their internal coaching is extremely common, the Saints clearly have their reasons for not allowing that to happen, but this sort of thing is extremely common. Jesse Hogan met with Wayne Carey when at the Dees, Jack Watts with Jobe Watson, Petracca with Pendlebury.. the list goes on 

know what you're talking about before you pot coaches. the club rates Stafford extremely highly.

[MrReims 305]

16 hours ago, picket fence said:

No,.. just hasnt got it!

Arm chair critics also think Brayshaw and Spargo don’t do enough. Please go to a live game Picket to see the amount of work this guy puts in! McDonald kicks 3 because he has Adams instead of Andrew’s and Kozzie kicks 2 of his from Weeds crashes, even Sparrow would be saying thanks after that game! He runs big numbers, the mids are instructed to kick away from Harris and he and Tom have good synergy!

 

Melksham on the other hand should make way for Jones if he is in for quality ball use and a mature head down there as he ain’t doing much else

[Ham 741]

6 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Players seeking out mentors outside of the club in addition to their internal coaching is extremely common, the Saints clearly have their reasons for not allowing that to happen, but this sort of thing is extremely common. Jesse Hogan met with Wayne Carey when at the Dees, Jack Watts with Jobe Watson, Petracca with Pendlebury.. the list goes on 

know what you're talking about before you pot coaches. the club rates Stafford extremely highly.

I rate Stafford as well, as a ruck coach, not a forward/kicking coach.

The only player who has turned a point out of those is Petracca and he hardly sought out Pendlebury for advice, he's mentioned that multiple times. 

Our forwards spoil each other
Our forwards don't create separation from their opponent. 
Our key forwards aren't taking enough marks
Our key forwards aren't kicking enough goals.

Change the line coach. 

*Also, don't pot coaches? Have you read this [censored] forum? Hahahahahahaha.

Where are all the critics who wanted Goodwin sacked? Where are they now?

If Stafford can prove me wrong, how am I losing? That'll be a good thing. I just don't think he can. 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Ham

[Axis of Bob 10,250]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

"people' would complain. Nice straw man argument.

You were backing them on OMac too. How did that go?

Sam could be anything. He's a world better than OMac for example. But 5 1/2 yrs he has shown very little. Even Max showed something to keep himself on the list after 5/6 yrs.

Would be interesting with Sam if we were losing games. The calls would be much louder for him to go and for Sideshow to come in.

Don't worry, I've made many worse calls than asking people to give a young key defender like Oscar more time, especially given the extensive evidence that key defenders often take longer to mature as footballers. Much, much worse!

On these boards, posters have historically been very early to jump on players and call them no good (or, in your language, "he's a bust"). It makes sense that this happens because they are impatient and they simply don't understand what the expectations are on the player and what they are being asked to do. Generally people get caught watching the ball so much that they miss what else is happening, which is especially important for structural players like key forwards and backs.

Weideman has played good football in the past and is playing a functional role in a league leading team. You saying that "he's a bust" is incorrect on several levels. Is Brown a better option for next week/finals? That's a topic for debate. Saying that Weideman is "a bust" is easily dismissed by almost every other poster and detracts from any other argument you are trying to make.

[Ted Lasso 16,822]

5 minutes ago, Ham said:

I rate Stafford as well, as a ruck coach, not a forward/kicking coach.

The only player who has turned a point out of those is Petracca and he hardly sought out Pendlebury for advice, he's mentioned that multiple times. 

Our forwards spoil each other
Our forwards don't create separation from their opponent. 
Our key forwards aren't taking enough marks
Our key forwards aren't kicking enough goals.

Change the line coach. 

*Also, don't pot coaches? Have you read this [censored] forum? Hahahahahahaha.

Where are all the critics who wanted Goodwin sacked? Where are they now?

If Stafford can prove me wrong, how am I losing? That'll be a good thing. I just don't think he can. 

you are wrong to start with, you're just not smart enough to see it. 

every single forward has improved... reckon the forwards coach deserves some props for that. 

[Ham 741]

Just now, Dwight Schrute said:

you are wrong to start with, you're just not smart enough to see it. 

every single forward has improved... reckon the forwards coach deserves some props for that. 

Wow.... just wow. 

[WERRIDEE 5,218]

Due to covid Brown has no form so while we are winning I'd prefer us keep the same team. Weid's running out of chances but I would keep him in against the pies. He showed signs by taking that great mark he just has to do that more often. I wouldn't worry about his kicking it's generally very good.

[jnrmac 19,052]

7 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Don't worry, I've made many worse calls than asking people to give a young key defender like Oscar more time, especially given the extensive evidence that key defenders often take longer to mature as footballers. Much, much worse!

On these boards, posters have historically been very early to jump on players and call them no good (or, in your language, "he's a bust"). It makes sense that this happens because they are impatient and they simply don't understand what the expectations are on the player and what they are being asked to do. Generally people get caught watching the ball so much that they miss what else is happening, which is especially important for structural players like key forwards and backs.

Weideman has played good football in the past and is playing a functional role in a league leading team. You saying that "he's a bust" is incorrect on several levels. Is Brown a better option for next week/finals? That's a topic for debate. Saying that Weideman is "a bust" is easily dismissed by almost every other poster and detracts from any other argument you are trying to make.

Look, I think he's a bust after 5 1/2 years. Should he be given more time? I think so but not in the 1's.

He should be ripping it up at Casey and bar one game I can recall he's never done that. We are probably all seduced by his finals game against Geelong where he attacked the ball and the packs and kicked I think 3 goals. He's never done that before or since and its like we're waiting waiting waiting for it to happen again.

Well at some point you have to say It aint happening again. Or if it only happens once every 25 games or so whats the point?

We're lucky that the side is winning. If we were losing the calls to get rid of him would be deafening. He adds very little to the team. He doesn't even shut down their best defender. Andrews had a field day last night.

I hope like anything he can get his act together. But I think its unlikely at this point.

 

[Binmans PA 26,225]

17 hours ago, Nascent said:

Think we just have to play him until it either clicks or Ben Brown knocks down the door to kick him out of the team. I still have belief in him but needs to stick those marks and be more efficient in front of the sticks.

Agree with this. Reckon he should go around again next week.

[dazzledavey36 48,864]

1 hour ago, Ham said:

Blaming the club for employing a ruckman as a forward/kicking coach. 

Go and employ the right person for the job. 

This is a completely poor logic.

You have no idea how it works, so I'll leave it at that.

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[Ham 741]

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is a completely poor logic.

You have no idea how it works, so I'll leave it at that.

 

What position do you hold at the club? Didn't realise you were the expert.

It's all opinions mate, learn that and get over it. 

[loges 6,097]

57 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Look, I think he's a bust after 5 1/2 years. Should he be given more time? I think so but not in the 1's.

He should be ripping it up at Casey and bar one game I can recall he's never done that. We are probably all seduced by his finals game against Geelong where he attacked the ball and the packs and kicked I think 3 goals. He's never done that before or since and its like we're waiting waiting waiting for it to happen again.

Well at some point you have to say It aint happening again. Or if it only happens once every 25 games or so whats the point?

We're lucky that the side is winning. If we were losing the calls to get rid of him would be deafening. He adds very little to the team. He doesn't even shut down their best defender. Andrews had a field day last night.

I hope like anything he can get his act together. But I think its unlikely at this point.

 

This pretty much sums up my opinion of him. Look every time he runs out I hope he has a good game but it's just not happening, how long do you wait? And sorry I have to laugh but he's actually getting credit for flying for marks, would be the minimum requirement I would have thought. Kossies second goal I think it was wasn't because he crashed a pack it was because he dropped the mark.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,487]

1 hour ago, Ham said:

Why is Weideman seeking out advice from J.Brown? 

St. Kilda quelled that type of behaviour straight away, as they wanted to back in their own.

MFC didn't back Stafford in at all, just openly let it happen?

He is not the right person for the job, employ a forward/kicking coach. 

Williams is the kicking coach isn't he

[Engorged Onion 9,344]

2 hours ago, Ham said:

Just because they've made a decision to employ him in that role, doesn't mean it's the right one. 

Go by that logic and all the coaches they let go of last year would still be at the club.

MFC need a new forward/kicking coach as far as I'm concerned, Stafford isn't doing a good enough job.

Why do they need a new forward  and kicking coach?

What metrics are they not hitting effectively enough from your perspective?