Dees Reviewing Senior Footy Department Positions

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I think Mahoney comes across very well.

He’s always struck me as a very competent, knowledgeable and experienced football club GM.

I don’t reckon he’s the problem.

 

[old dee 23,788]

8 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I think Mahoney comes across very well.

He’s always struck me as a very competent, knowledgeable and experienced football club GM.

I don’t reckon he’s the problem.

 

To be honest RB how many of us know how well he does his job? I would suggest none of us.

The problem is lack of success finally lands at his door.

His other problem is he was one of the main supporters of Goodwin getting the job in the first place and has backed him in all along the way include the infamous new contract before a ball was bounced in 2019. 
Now if it is already ordained that Goodwin is staying ( as it appears to be the case) then it would be a bit rough to fling him now. 
I am more concerned about who is conducting this review.

The silence from the club is deafening.  

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

16 hours ago, old dee said:

What happens if we cannot go to games again in 2021? I am of the age that is in the death danger zone for the virus. I won't be going to a game next year until there is proven  effective vaccine. I love going to real game at the ground, I go to seconds games I love AFL at the ground. Watching on a screen is a much less enjoyable experience for me. This year I had less interest than all my watching over the last 60 years. So what is the club going to give me next season to compensate? This year I took the loss  thing on the chin and will probably do again next year but I reckon that the MFC will struggle to get membership above 25K if you still cannot go to games. They had better get creative or the income will drop considerably in 2021.

Maybe the club can give you the vaccine. Seriously. If a vaccine is available, the club might be able to organise for health care professionals to administer the vaccine as you enter the ground. I'd take that over a new scarf any day.

 

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

19 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Maybe the club can give you the vaccine. Seriously. If a vaccine is available, the club might be able to organise for health care professionals to administer the vaccine as you enter the ground. I'd take that over a new scarf any day.

 

 

OD is obsessed with compensation for this year, as if the MFC spread the coronavirus so we wouldn't have to watch the debacles against Sydney and Fremantle live.

[old dee 23,788]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

OD is obsessed with compensation for this year, as if the MFC spread the coronavirus so we wouldn't have to watch the debacles against Sydney and Fremantle live.

0Either you miss read my comments or I am not doing a good job of communicating. I am not fixated on this year at all it is done and gone. Do you think everyone is happy to sign up for a membership if they cannot go to a game in 2021? For a success starved club like the MFC getting value for money is an important item. Just look how many members wait every year to see how we go in early games before buying a membership? People on here are rusted on and will buy a membership come hell or high water. After another failed year a lot of members will need a reason to buy a membership in 2021 other than supporting the club. Giving them some compensation for 2 years of no games seems a modest thing in my view.

Edited October 7, 2020 by old dee

[old dee 23,788]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Maybe the club can give you the vaccine. Seriously. If a vaccine is available, the club might be able to organise for health care professionals to administer the vaccine as you enter the ground. I'd take that over a new scarf any day.

 

 

Thus is not a problem I will be in the early adopter group LDC. If we cannot go in 2021 then I will just have to get used to tv games.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

48 minutes ago, old dee said:

0Either you miss read my comments or I am not doing a good job of communicating. I am not fixated on this year at all it is done and gone. Do you think everyone is happy to sign up for a membership if they cannot go to a game in 2021? For a success starved club like the MFC getting value for money is an important item. Just look how many members wait every year to see how we go in early games before buying a membership? People on here are rusted on and will buy a membership come hell or high water. After another failed year a lot of members will need a reason to buy a membership in 2021 other than supporting the club. Giving them some compensation for 2 years of no games seems a modest thing in my view.

I just see it as something that isn't the clubs fault.

I buy my membership to support the club.  Going to games is a bonus.  I'll still buy the 5 memberships I get next year without hesitation.  Would I love to be able to go to the games and take my kids?  Of course I would.  But that's not the clubs fault.

If people buy them solely to go to the games then I would understand it.  But I don't, and I would assume that others buy it to support the club more than anything.  But again, that's an assumption, and I don't need anything else from the club as compensation.  I'd rather they continue to put that money into the club to pay for coaches, players etc.  I don't need freebies or money off my membership.  But that's just me.

[old dee 23,788]

7 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I just see it as something that isn't the clubs fault.

I buy my membership to support the club.  Going to games is a bonus.  I'll still buy the 5 memberships I get next year without hesitation.  Would I love to be able to go to the games and take my kids?  Of course I would.  But that's not the clubs fault.

If people buy them solely to go to the games then I would understand it.  But I don't, and I would assume that others buy it to support the club more than anything.  But again, that's an assumption, and I don't need anything else from the club as compensation.  I'd rather they continue to put that money into the club to pay for coaches, players etc.  I don't need freebies or money off my membership.  But that's just me.

Funny because we are both doing the same thing. But sadly all members or more importantly future members for 2021 do not think this way. A large number have the attitude of what's in it for me. 

[old dee 23,788]

9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I just see it as something that isn't the clubs fault.

I buy my membership to support the club.  Going to games is a bonus.  I'll still buy the 5 memberships I get next year without hesitation.  Would I love to be able to go to the games and take my kids?  Of course I would.  But that's not the clubs fault.

If people buy them solely to go to the games then I would understand it.  But I don't, and I would assume that others buy it to support the club more than anything.  But again, that's an assumption, and I don't need anything else from the club as compensation.  I'd rather they continue to put that money into the club to pay for coaches, players etc.  I don't need freebies or money off my membership.  But that's just me.

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by old dee

[sue 9,102]

As OldDee mentioned, most people here are rusted on and probably don't represent the broader membership base.   We have 3 memberships for family members who have collectively been to 3 matches over the last decade.   Surely that's not typical and most members expect to go to the MCG at least a few times a year.  However, I'd think/hope there were not too many who just buy membrships on a 'pay per view' basis and that most members see the cost as a mixture of club support and 'pay per view'.  But if that is not true and people can't get to matches in 2021, a lot of clubs will have a problem.

[deanox 9,915]

I look at it lole this:

-It is a membership of a club, not a season ticket to a corporation owned entertainment entity.

-Look at our financial statements: any equity is listed as "members funds". The club management can't legally use those funds for any other purpose than pursuing its constitutional objectives.

- I become a member so I can influemce the direction of the club through electing its management. (Im aware we havnt had many options recently, but thats on us).

-I become a member to pursue the objectives of the club.

- Part of being a member is participating by watching games, but the base access to home games is a perk of membership only, it isnt what the actual membership is for

- I understand that there is a "premium" component associated with upgraded memberships, reserve seats, access to rooms and othet services. I can understand that people could expect these to be refunded as they arent delivered. Or the cost could be considered a donation. That's fine.

- If it was a season ticket to the AFL Commission owned GWS or GCS, I would certainly expect a full refund. Those entities are not member owned in the same way and the AFL Commission could pull the pin any minute.

 

[old dee 23,788]

I know 2 supporters who had memberships this year. If they cannot go to games this year they won't be buying a membership. Well one has said he will buy a 3 game membership or similar. I suspect there are thousands out there with this attitude.

[Deeoldfart 8,029]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

I just see it as something that isn't the clubs fault.

I buy my membership to support the club.  Going to games is a bonus.  I'll still buy the 5 memberships I get next year without hesitation.  Would I love to be able to go to the games and take my kids?  Of course I would.  But that's not the clubs fault.

If people buy them solely to go to the games then I would understand it.  But I don't, and I would assume that others buy it to support the club more than anything.  But again, that's an assumption, and I don't need anything else from the club as compensation.  I'd rather they continue to put that money into the club to pay for coaches, players etc.  I don't need freebies or money off my membership.  But that's just me.

You are not alone Wise.  I live 600k from the 'G' and get to only 3 of 4 live games in a normal year.  I still purchase my annual 'Redlegs' membership, plus four full memberships for family Christmas presents.  MFC are undoubtedly my preferred 'charity'.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I know 2 supporters who had memberships this year. If they cannot go to games this year they won't be buying a membership. Well one has said he will buy a 3 game membership or similar. I suspect there are thousands out there with this attitude.

I've had premium membership for 15 years with GF guarantee OD. I'll be doing similar to your mates. 

Without a job thanks to covid and no guarantee we can attend matches I just can't fathom spending that sort of money anymore. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,578]

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I buy my membership to support the club.  Going to games is a bonus.  I'll still buy the 5 memberships I get next year without hesitation.  Would I love to be able to go to the games and take my kids?  Of course I would.  But that's not the clubs fault.

You are a very small minority I suspect.

Most buyers are motivated by the attendance and then support I would think.(let me rephrase that..most buyers are motivated by apathy by virtue of the auto renewal process.)

The clubs made it difficult to get refunds this year. The trick and lets's agree it was a trick of saying you could have your money back but you then went onto a waiting list for things such as the GF guarantee, reserved seating etc etc or even worse if you were an AFL or MCC member. Shoddy to say the least.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[old dee 23,788]

45 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

I've had premium membership for 15 years with GF guarantee OD. I'll be doing similar to your mates. 

Without a job thanks to covid and no guarantee we can attend matches I just can't fathom spending that sort of money anymore. 

Sorry to here HB. In those circumstances when there may be games you cannot  go to I understand completely. I hope your situation improves soon.

Edited October 7, 2020 by old dee

[old dee 23,788]

36 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

You are a very small minority I suspect.

Most buyers are motivated by the attendance and then support I would think.(let me rephrase that..most buyers are motivated by apathy by virtue of the auto renewal process.)

The clubs made it difficult to get refunds this year. The trick and lets's agree it was a trick of saying you could have your money back but you then went onto a waiting ist for things such as the GF guarantee, reserved seating etc etc or even worse if you were an AFL or MCC member was shoddy to say the least.

With the reduction in staff numbers and people working less than 5 days a week I have cut them a little slack this year DJ. They will have had plenty of time to think about season 2021. Let's see how they perform next season.

[Vineytime 847]

1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

I've had premium membership for 15 years with GF guarantee OD. I'll be doing similar to your mates. 

Without a job thanks to covid and no guarantee we can attend matches I just can't fathom spending that sort of money anymore. 

Same here, long-standing Redleg member, disgruntled with ongoing under performing of the club. 
Will seriously consider membership choice next yr. 

[Rednblueriseing 824]

7 hours ago, old dee said:

To be honest RB how many of us know how well he does his job? I would suggest none of us.

The problem is lack of success finally lands at his door.

His other problem is he was one of the main supporters of Goodwin getting the job in the first place and has backed him in all along the way include the infamous new contract before a ball was bounced in 2019. 
Now if it is already ordained that Goodwin is staying ( as it appears to be the case) then it would be a bit rough to fling him now. 
I am more concerned about who is conducting this review.

The silence from the club is deafening.  

No need to say anything in public all we all care about is results next year the mfc will be in the spotlight from round one.... No excuses 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

You are a very small minority I suspect.

Most buyers are motivated by the attendance and then support I would think.(let me rephrase that..most buyers are motivated by apathy by virtue of the auto renewal process.)

The clubs made it difficult to get refunds this year. The trick and lets's agree it was a trick of saying you could have your money back but you then went onto a waiting list for things such as the GF guarantee, reserved seating etc etc or even worse if you were an AFL or MCC member. Shoddy to say the least.

Interesting. I have always thought it would be other way around.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

On 10/5/2020 at 11:21 AM, old dee said:

There is still nothing official that I can find that there is a review going on. If such a thing is happening it is most certainly looking like an internal review and we know what happens with those most times. Two weeks ago I wrote to Mr. Pert ( not Pertie!!!) asking if there would be a Members review night this year, via Tracy I received a reply this morning saying there would be one but date unknown.

Still no reply from our Chairman  on the review!

I wait in expectation. Ha ha!!!!!

 

Gary Pert has just sent a letter to members via email

[Lucifers Hero 39,761]

Just received an email from Pert.  In part it said:

"From a broader program perspective, due to the $3 million cut in the soft cap and our inconsistent performances this season, I'm conducting a review of the football program, with a deep dive into the coaching program. The outcome of this review will ensure we have the right leadership, resources and programs to maximise our potential in 2021 and beyond. All changes will be communicated to members when appropriate, over the pre-season period".

It isn't an external review like many of us had hoped.  But I live in hope we get a high calibre coaching group that is the equal of top 4 teams.  Our players and supporters deserve nothing less.

I'm glad he acknowledges that our 'inconsistent performances' is a reason for the review. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[dazzledavey36 54,894]

I'm glad Pert is doing this.

He was part of the architect that built the powerhouse that is Collingwood into such a powerful club that it is today.

He knows and has seen success. 

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

Go Hard Mr. Pert, i know many are not happy with him as CEO, but he has kept Sponsors on board in a very tough year and he knows what is needed to succeed, similiar to PJ  The Right People  

Sentiment must take 2nd place  we need the best

Thankyou

That is All

Edited October 7, 2020 by Sir Why You Little

[Demon17 5,188]

27 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Just received an email from Pert.  In part it said:

"From a broader program perspective, due to the $3 million cut in the soft cap and our inconsistent performances this season, I'm conducting a review of the football program, with a deep dive into the coaching program. The outcome of this review will ensure we have the right leadership, resources and programs to maximise our potential in 2021 and beyond. All changes will be communicated to members when appropriate, over the pre-season period".

It isn't an external review like many of us had hoped.  But I live in hope we get a high calibre coaching group that is the equal of top 4 teams.  Our players and supporters deserve nothing less.

I'm glad he acknowledges that our 'inconsistent performances' is a reason for the review. 

Just received also. The key words for me are  "...deep dive into coaching program...".

That's the problem so hallelujah and go Perty. I say.