2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Preuss for Giants pick 39 seems about right. But I agree he is under contract and it would be good to get Swans and Giants to bid against each other. 
I like Preuss with his physical style but with Maxy Gawn and now Jackson’s development, he is surplus and backup only. I think we can trade him to get some value (plus let the man play AFL footy). 

Need more than 39 - he cost us a pick in the 20s from memory and now it's a sellers market.

4 minutes ago, cantstandyasam said:

Need more than 39 - he cost us a pick in the 20s from memory and now it's a sellers market.

err, not even close

preuss + pick 62 (marty hore) = dom tyson

it was frostball that we paid massive overs for as pick 23 or so, from memory, the pick that became mckenna, who was on our list for a year or two a couple of years down the track

If we have any confidence in Bradtke's development then I'd be happy to take a third rounder for him. However I think we could possibly squeeze a late second out of GWS should they think he's their man.

5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

err, not even close

preuss + pick 62 (marty hore) = dom tyson

it was frostball that we paid massive overs for as pick 23 or so, from memory, the pick that became mckenna, who was on our list for a year or two a couple of years down the track

But I think there were a couple of picks in the 40s involved (Neal-Bullen & Billy Stretch).

26 minutes ago, cantstandyasam said:

Need more than 39 - he cost us a pick in the 20s from memory and now it's a sellers market.

No. It was Preuss and nth pick 62 for Dom Tyson. We got Marty Hore.   Preuss really didn’t cost us anything!!! 

Future 2nd round pick for Preuss should get the deal done IMO.

 

For those concerned about the ruck depth with neither Jackson or Bradtke physically ready should Gawn go down, we could recruit Shaun Mckernan as insurance for a year or two if need be as a DFA.

17 hours ago, A F said:

Good call mate, although Goldstein is 32 and Preuss is 25. So whoever gets Preuss will get more service out of him than Goldstein. That said, Goldstein is a much better ruckman - though is he finished?

Bit harsh on Goldy there.  He's just come off a pretty good season for Norf.  Reckon he might still have a few years left in the tank.

The Giants pick 39 might drop to 45 or 50, so that won’t get it done lads. I think they’ll have plenty of pick movement due to the amount of players leaving. Already have Z.Williams (most likely 1st round compo currently Pick 10 - pushed out to about Pick 15), Corr (most likely end of 1st round compo currently Pick 19 - pushed out to about 26). They’ll likely have about 2 more players leave which will mean more 2nd rounders for us to trade Pruess for.

I’m not sure any of their out of contract players appeal too much for our needs. I like Cumming, but we need a winger and a big forward. I’m not sure we should be focusing too much on anything else.

Unless Josh Kelly wants out, then we throw Pruess in with our Pick 23 and Future 1st  ???

I believe both Sydney and GWS have academy players this year which will require a certain amount of draft points. Can't see either of them giving up second or even third rounders, at least not in this years draft. If he goes north then future picks or fringe player is probably what the deal would be. 

If we can’t get any picks that we like from GWS or Syd, would we do Pruess to Zac Foot (Syd)?

I liked what I seen when he played. He’s out of contract, Victorian, quick, goal sense, can play wing or as a small forward. 

In my eyes, we need more of this type of player and less of the medium forwards that we have.

42 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I believe both Sydney and GWS have academy players this year which will require a certain amount of draft points. Can't see either of them giving up second or even third rounders, at least not in this years draft. If he goes north then future picks or fringe player is probably what the deal would be. 

Sydney have two academy players who are expected to go in the 7-20 range. GWS don't have much coming through the academy this year and are carried a points deficit from matching on Tom Greene in '19 draft. My view is that we could maybe get pick 22 from Swans for Pruess & some lower picks (they may just want to do a player swap), but any deal with GWS would more than likely have to involve a player coming back. Can't see any picks of value coming back from GWS.

 

34 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Sydney have two academy players who are expected to go in the 7-20 range. GWS don't have much coming through the academy this year and are carried a points deficit from matching on Tom Greene in '19 draft. My view is that we could maybe get pick 22 from Swans for Pruess & some lower picks (they may just want to do a player swap), but any deal with GWS would more than likely have to involve a player coming back. Can't see any picks of value coming back from GWS.

 

Preuss + 47 for pick 22 would be a decent result.

9 hours ago, Nascent said:

Preuss + 47 for pick 22 would be a decent result.

We need to be thinking in terms of the futures market. For clubs that think they are close to a premiership with a ruck weakness, Pruess is a late first rounder. Take that to Norff and get Brown.

Article on AFL.com says third rounder.  Would rather keep him, unless we have massive salary cap issues.

17 hours ago, Nascent said:

Preuss + 47 for pick 22 would be a decent result.

I'd happy give them 62 and 63 as well. Thag means they only lose about 200 draft points for a 1st grade (capable) ruckman while we lose picks we aren't going to use but gain an early 2nd rounder. Win win. 

We would have 22, 23, 83 etc

Usually we need to take 3 picks at the draft, including rookie upgrades (with list sizes reducing that could be cut to 2). Either way, we have Lockhart, Brown and Bennell as potential upgrades. We can use pick 83+ on those.

So if we upgrade one rookie, we use both 22 and 23 at the draft. 

If we upgrade two rookies, we can use 22 and trade 23 for a player.

 

Edited September 27, 20204 yr by deanox

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

Article on AFL.com says third rounder.  Would rather keep him, unless we have massive salary cap issues.

Preuss for Ollie Florent or the Swans can get stuffed.

Preuss for one of their young mids - Hately, Caldwell etc - or Giants can get stuffed too.

I'm being a little facetious there, but at the same time, we hold all the cards.  Why potentially make the opposition stronger for nothing more than a third rounder, which this year is like giving him up for a six pack of beer and a bag of pretzels?

Play hard ball - if they want him, give us something good and you can have him.  Otherwise we keep him and move forward. 

Half the writers for the AFL website are laughable with some of the stuff they come up with, so I wouldn’t take anything they say with much respect! 
 

Pruess for a 3rd round pick, in a draft where the 1st round will be 25 odd picks, and same with the 2nd round....pfft

2 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Article on AFL.com says third rounder.  Would rather keep him, unless we have massive salary cap issues.

Objectively, that’s probably what he is worth, but don’t see the point of moving him if it’s just at cost. Don’t think we’ll do it just for a third round pick.

 

Just for arguements sake, Jack viney does want to go to Geelong. I wonder if we can trade Preuss and 47 to Geelong for an OVERS (Tampering) pick like their #17, on the promise that we don't match the UFA bid and force a trade, then we also get compo on JV in the first round too I assume.

Then we have 11 or 19 JV compo, 17* (Geel) and 21 (Haw)

Edited September 27, 20204 yr by John Demonic
Draft reordering. Geel pick if make GF

The moment we trade Preuss, Max will do his wonky knee again. Don’t trade him!,,

1 hour ago, ChaserJ said:

Objectively, that’s probably what he is worth, but don’t see the point of moving him if it’s just at cost. Don’t think we’ll do it just for a third round pick.

 

Agree, it needs to be for a player that suits our needs not a draft pick (unless that opens a player trade with another club).

Small forward ideal.

Given GWS have Toby Greene already, I wonder if they'd do a swap for Preuss with someone like Brent Daniels. I'd do that trade, but would they?

9 minutes ago, A F said:

Given GWS have Toby Greene already, I wonder if they'd do a swap for Preuss with someone like Brent Daniels. I'd do that trade, but would they?

I think they rate Daniels pretty highly, unless he agitated for a move (no indication that he wants out), he won’t be moved on. Would think we’d be pretty keen if he were available. 

Preuss is this years Frost. Yeah he’d be nice to have but we’ve got plenty of assets tied up in one position. We have to reduce what we’ve spent on rucks to fill other needs. 

We traded Frost because it gave us the cap room for Tomlinson (winger - oops) and the picks to make a swap for Kozzie.

Any hope of Preuss earning us a high pick or good player outright is a pipe dream. Academy pick points and future pick swaps gives us a chance - but that kind of wheeling and dealing comes later. If a team values Preuss for an early 3rd rounder that’s realistic.