16 hours ago, Older demon said:

I went back and read the article again. Bartlett may be shrewder than we think. If they gave Goody a contract extension with performance KPI's  in 2021 he has effectively covered the club if Goody stumbles. No coach will be sacked after 2020 given all the difficulties that have arisen.

Also don't forget she sits on the same panel as Ross Lyon each week on Footy Classified I am sure it is no co-incidence he gets a mention in talk about MFC coaching. 

I thought that was interesting and while it pleased me that there is an 'out' in 2021 it made me wonder what that KPI might be.

As the contract was made just after the 2018 prelim the KPI for 2021 (3 years later) can't simply be "making finals".  That would imply the club expected the 2018 performance to drop then hover around the middle of the ladder in 2019 and 2020 which would be a surprise.  If it was such a mediocre expectation my question of the club would be why extend for 3 years or why not wait to see how 2019 panned out.  Common sense says they wouldn't.  The 3 year extension means they had higher expectations in 2019/20 which one hopes was built into the contract.

On that logic one would expect a 2021 KPI to be winning x finals or reaching the prelim.  ie at least what we did in 2018.  No one would expect "linear" improvement from 2018 but the same result 3 years later is reasonable.

So a KPI for 2021 can't simply be "making finals".  Just scraping into finals isn't a sufficiently high KPI to justify a 3 year extension. 

And tbh if we just scrape into finals or exit quickly that won't be enough to convince me Goodwin should be there in 2022.  So hope the 2021 KPI is a high enough bar that non-achievement allows us to exit the contract.

Edited September 12, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

10 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Those four guys are like haviing local people running a foreign owned company.

Guns for sale 

Bartlett Played for WC

Pert    Played for Fitzroy

Mahoney  Played for Port

Goodwin  Played for Adelaide.

 

I want to see people in leadership roles who have the aptitude for the job. Too many people think passion and enthusiasm translate into competency and good decisions. They don’t. In fact, the opposite is usually true as our track record over the past 50 years proves (Jim Stynes being the lone exception).

12 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You have seen into the future 2021?

Seriously if we lose the last 2 games it’s not going to be pretty. The only reason Wilson writes this stuff is because we leave ourselves wide open, again and again

this article is also so damming

Season on the line and we can’t defend. Where did all Roosy’s teaching go?

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/08/hodge-advice-to-melbourne-after-highlighting-worrying-stat-differential/

Yes Mate I can based on past prerformances

If the coaches are not sacked?

What is going to change to make next year any different to the last 10?

Poor starts' losing games' not turning up to play' poor selections and poor coaching

13 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I want to see people in leadership roles who have the aptitude for the job. Too many people think passion and enthusiasm translate into competency and good decisions. They don’t. In fact, the opposite is usually true as our track record over the past 50 years proves (Jim Stynes being the lone exception).

name a Premiership side that has not has one of their own inone of the four key post.

40 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

So what, we have had plenty of Melbourne people run the club for the last 6 decades and they have completely stuffed it up. I would gladly hand pick people from other clubs to get the MFC going in the right direction.

You would back whoever is in charge.

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

What would a 'true Dee' do that is different from a 'non(?) Dee'?

TIA

Nailed it. All I can think of is making poor decisions due to lowered objectivity, biases, being prone to nepotism, etc.

It's like saying BHP would be better off only employing execs from within the company vs globally.

15 minutes ago, Kent said:

Yes Mate I can based on past prerformances

If the coaches are not sacked?

What is going to change to make next year any different to the last 10?

Poor starts' losing games' not turning up to play' poor selections and poor coaching

I agree if nothing changes 100%
But i think there will be massive changes

The Members won’t cop it after 2019

6 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

You would back whoever is in charge.

That is where you are completely wrong, just because I don't bag the club on this site do not assume I just go along with everything that happens, I do what I have always done and that is confront people face to face and let them know my feelings in person. Over the last 35 years I have had hundreds of discussions with board members, coaching staff and at times players, some of the discussions with board members have been very heated.

Confirms what I had already thought.

Jackson and Roos saved this club, and then actually turned it into a really decent, professional run, and culturally sound organisation.

It just feels different now. And not necessarily in a good way. It may very well be that Bartlett’s the reason for this.

 

20 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

name a Premiership side that has not has one of their own inone of the four key post.

It’s much easier to point to the countless number of clubs and administrations who had plenty of passionate club people involved and were not successful.

You feel that the club needs one Melbourne person involved. Fair enough. But I would like to know why exactly. What quality does a Melbourne person bring to the table that a non-Melbourne person doesn’t have and how does this quality lead to better decisions?

Brendan Gale and Peggy O’Neal are successful because they are competent and know what they are doing not because they are Richmond people. Do you think if they were at other clubs they won’t be successful and if so, why?

Why should we trust anything a MFC old boys led board would do?

Our history is riddled with MFC old boys failures.

The only success we've seen as a club lately is from AFL house appointments of Jackson and Roos.

Why would the average member trust anything run by the same people that brought us Schwab, Gutnick, Neeld etc etc.

The MFC is a proven graveyard for any administrators worth any salt.

I for one would vote for not going anywhere near the dame decision makers that have influenced us in the past.

16 hours ago, A F said:

Look, totally, this is how the media works in this country. Not saying it's right, but it constantly picks and chooses who to shine the light on and who to leave alone.

Doesn't mean this particular light isn't warranted.

True but Melbourne is an easy target partly because of its perceived culture but largely because it is warranted

3 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Why should we trust anything a MFC old boys led board would do?

Our history is riddled with MFC old boys failures.

The only success we've seen as a club lately is from AFL house appointments of Jackson and Roos.

Why would the average member trust anything run by the same people that brought us Schwab, Gutnick, Neeld etc etc.

The MFC is a proven graveyard for any administrators worth any salt.

I for one would vote for not going anywhere near the dame decision makers that have influenced us in the past.

I for one want to see the best people running the Club and that is not happening right now. But i am not close enough to make decisions and judgements. 
Who do we trust? It is a tough choice. 
I am not far off 60, and I certainly don’t want another 25-30 years of mediocraty and failure. 
Hell i got ridiculed for supporting Melbourne back in Primary School in the 1970’s and the Club still hasn’t moved. 
If we lose tonight the Vultures will be circulating again

10 minutes ago, Mydee said:

True but Melbourne is an easy target partly because of its perceived culture but largely because it is warranted

We keep losing, We get attacked

We have been given many chances, but don’t use them wisely

If there is any truth to Caroline’s article I hope that truth is we are chasing Clarkson.

The list plays like it feels comfortable putting in average performances and getting the occasional win.

That won’t happen if shorty takes the reigns.

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

If there is any truth to Caroline’s article I hope that truth is we are chasing Clarkson.

The list plays like it feels comfortable putting in average performances and getting the occasional win.

That won’t happen if shorty takes the reigns.

I hadn't read that article as it is Caroline Wilson, but just had a look.  She does indeed say we are pursuing Clarkson and Ross Lyon.

Incredible that we are now stuck between a rock and a hard place thanks to Goodwins two years left on his contract... a 4 four year deal ffs.   We need to move him on now or waste another whole preseason and half of next season.

This is a preseason the club could be having under a Clarkson/Lyon. 

 

 

Edited September 11, 20204 yr by Pickett2Jackson

You go out and pick the best people in the business to do the job. What club they played at in their previous life has absolutely no relevance at all.

Bring the right people who have also tasted success and know what it takes as a footy club to get there.

Roos and Jackson tasted success.

Mahoney, Goodwin and Pert have all also achieved success as an admin, and player. They know what is needed to get there.

This whole notion of bringing back ex players is just [censored]. Lyon, Stynes, Connelly, Schwab all nearly sent the club to extinction. 

 

1 minute ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

I hadn't read that article as it Caroline Wilson, but just had a look.  She does indeed say we are pursuing Clarkson and Ross Lyon.

Incredible that we are now stuck between a rock and a hard place thanks to Goodwins two years left on his contract... a 4 four year deal ffs

 

Do you think Ross Lyon may be considered for a GM of Football role? A la Neil Balme

If Goody stays, surely there's a clean out around him

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You go out and pick the best people in the business to do the job. What club they played at in their previous life has absolutely no relevance at all.

Bring the right people who have also tasted success and know what it takes as a footy club to get there.

Roos and Jackson tasted success.

Mahoney, Goodwin and Pert have all also achieved success as an admin, and player. They know what is needed to get there.

This whole notion of bringing back ex players is just [censored]. Lyon, Stynes, Connelly, Schwab all nearly sent the club to extinction. 

 

Can I just say I shouldn't put Stynes in amongst those names. I believe he was the only one from a management point of view who had the support of the players, unlike Connelly and Schwab. I do think he was stuck in a sticky situation between his mates and the players.

I would have loved to see Stynes being president under Jackson as he CEO. Would have strived to a whole new level.

3 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Do you think Ross Lyon may be considered for a GM of Football role? A la Neil Balme

If Goody stays, surely there's a clean out around him

If we miss finals and Goody stays there 1000% has to be a clean out around him. We need to go after the best assistants.

I'm surprised there isn't a Is Richo the Right Guy thread because I really don't want him taking over mid-2021 when Goody inevitably gets the [censored].

8 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Do you think Ross Lyon may be considered for a GM of Football role? A la Neil Balme

If Goody stays, surely there's a clean out around him

Id like to see some math on how many extra memberships we would need to sell to cover a payout to Goodwin for the last 2 years of his contract.

Landing Clarkson and to a lesser extent Lyon would surely be worth a lot of new members/extra sponsors to help soften the financial blow. 

Edited September 11, 20204 yr by Pickett2Jackson

49 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

It’s much easier to point to the countless number of clubs and administrations who had plenty of passionate club people involved and were not successful.

You feel that the club needs one Melbourne person involved. Fair enough. But I would like to know why exactly. What quality does a Melbourne person bring to the table that a non-Melbourne person doesn’t have and how does this quality lead to better decisions?

Brendan Gale and Peggy O’Neal are successful because they are competent and know what they are doing not because they are Richmond people. Do you think if they were at other clubs they won’t be successful and if so, why?

 

56 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

That is where you are completely wrong, just because I don't bag the club on this site do not assume I just go along with everything that happens, I do what I have always done and that is confront people face to face and let them know my feelings in person. Over the last 35 years I have had hundreds of discussions with board members, coaching staff and at times players, some of the discussions with board members have been very heated.

So you say.

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

So you say.

If it makes you feel good just keep bagging the club in an invisible fashion, everyone to their own

6 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Id like to see some math on how many extra memberships we would need to sell to cover a payout to Goodwin for the last 2 years of his contract.

Landing Clarkson and to a lesser extent Lyon would surely be worth a lot of new members/extra sponsors to help soften the financial blow. 

I assume (or am just guessing really) that the "soft cap" is the real factor here, and not simply the hard $$

Soft cap getting smaller is forcing cuts irrespective of payouts to coaches

We wouldn't be able to payout a huge exit stash to Goody and employ anyone else, or probably keep 5 other positions for next year, not to mention how [censored] off the AFL would be having bailed us out a few years back

17 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

There’s very little strength shown at the very top of the club as shown by allowing the situation whereby we were the club to play Sydney and Freo within 4 days up in Cairns just 5 days after playing in Alice Springs and being one of only two clubs not to have a bye during several weeks of football frenzy. Eddie would have gone down kicking and screaming rather than allow his club to hit the wall and miss a finals series that way. 

 

 The dons game should have been given as a walk over, don't think people realise how much damage this has done now. No other team would have rolled over and played as many games as we have in such short time frames. 

Caro has always stuck the boots in the MFC , every chance she gets. Sure she might get something right but more wrong than right for her. Still trying to get attention and be justified.