3 hours ago, Arrow said:

I'm shocked people go in expecting anything different. Players can't even answer questions these days given how clubs and the AFL media train them to say nothing human. 

I thought the interview was insightful given what we typically get. Anyone going to listen to a podcast and expecting the President to come out to a bunch of guys on a podcast and say 'we're disappointed in Simon & at the end of the year, we'll be re-assessing his contract if we don't make finals' - two weeks before the end of the year with the club locked up together lives in a different world to me. 

I read between the lines and take it that Pert did not unilaterally back Goodwin - that in itself gives me an important answer. Tick. 

The soft-cap moves from 9.5 million to 6.5 million. We need to remove 33% of our operating expense from the business (which is near on impossible in any business) in one year. If the contract doesn't have an out, there is quite literally no possible way we could fire him & hire a new coach under the cap without sacking everyone else. That doesn't mean the club is happy with his performance but COVID was not to be expected. Perhaps they are having private conversations with AFL in the event we terminate a coach, could that money not be included in the soft cap? My reading of the situation is even if we finished dead last, it would be extremely difficult to move him on this year. I think he will get 2021 as a prove it year and following another disappointing year and some more financial security - we would be in a position to make that move. 

I'm impressed with the podcast & appreciated the more reasoned approached from Benny from memory. Irrational, emotional ramblings are simply going to be battered away by Pert and administrators of that ilk. Come armed with information, supporting evidence & get him to speak to it... no s**t the supporters are [censored] off, I don't think he needs to recognise that on a podcast for us to understand.

 

Well done to the Deebrief crew, I really liked it. Would also like Bartlett on as I feel like he may be able to be cracked open a little more than Pert who did this all before with Collingwood and knows very well where to draw the line. 

See, to me, the players can absolutely be the tail wagging the dog here.

If Petracca and/or Oliver put their hands up to be traded, you can bet the club, as a business, will make the call to the AFL and they'll get rid of Goodwin. Clubs are on a knives edge in the COVID environment. I'd be staggered if they haven't already broached all these options with the AFL much earlier this year.

9 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Did Pert actually say YES he will be coaching next season SFebes or did he talk around it like a good politician would?

Why would he go on a fan podcast and say he wouldn't be coaching?

Even if that was the plan, he would never discuss it publicly.

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Why would he go on a fan podcast and say he wouldn't be coaching?

Even if that was the plan, he would never discuss it publicly.

I know that but I was interested in seeing if he said yes to the question. 

14 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Did Pert actually say YES he will be coaching next season SFebes or did he talk around it like a good politician would?

No, he didn't really say Yes, the ending was intriguing to be honest.

Just now, SFebes said:

No, he didn't really say Yes, the ending was intriguing to be honest.

Good to hear. Thanks Febes. 

Positives on getting a home base & talking sense on field success brings success off field, should have gone harder on why so many assistant coaches changes? McCartney departure, why Richardson? Why hasn’t Goodwin been able to achieve the ruthlessness in his playing group after 4 years which he is seeking? Do we lack Steele in the group as highlighted by footy commentators?

Edited September 9, 20205 yr by Hogan2014

The whole interview was pretty typical of an experienced club CEO.

Most of it was very straight bat.

He didn’t really give any information on any topic that provides us more than what we already know/assume to be the case.

He certainly did not say Goodwin will be coaching round 1 next year, danced around that one

Edited September 9, 20205 yr by BW511

pert handled exactly as you'd expect an experienced ceo would

i basically heard as 'if goodwin loses the last two games then we'll have to have a serious think about it'

The internal review conducted last year, as opposed to the external review that was really needed, IMV, may well have set the club back a year.

7 minutes ago, A F said:

The internal review conducted last year, as opposed to the external review that was really needed, IMV, may well have set the club back a year.

I still cannot believe this was allowed to happen. 

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Very open and frank interview 

i hope everyone listens

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-deebrief/id1220251676#episodeGuid=eb7e0e12-f246-11ea-a37d-1bd9f3e65267

Usual spin. 

Said nothing

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Usual spin. 

Said nothing

He said more than most CEO’s would, he has to keep the show rolling at this point

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He said more than most CEO’s would, he has to keep the show rolling at this point

Sure but no one's listening.

We've heard it before.

As you would say, the scoreboard says it all the rest is just fluff from an institutionalised corporate suit

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Sure but no one's listening.

We've heard it before.

As you would say, the scoreboard says it all the rest is just fluff from an institutionalised corporate suit

I think heads will roll if the season ends badly. There are enough Media stories for it to escalate 

once the Media latches on, they do not let go

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I think heads will roll if the season ends badly. There are enough Media stories for it to escalate 

once the Media latches on, they do not let go

Almost makes me want to lose the last two games, and I hate to feel that way.

Goodwin “ has the complete support of the board” 

My overiding thought listening to pert was 'I'm longing for Peter jackson to come back'

5 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Goodwin “ has the complete support of the board” 

That’s what the mafia bosses would say right before they whacked one of their own. 

5 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Yeah i remember now lol....Is that the only other chance we had, i have feeling we another chance to cement it

Yes we lost to the lowly Saints earlier at the G in Rnd 15 by two points.  A game which we never truly looked like winning.  The MFC has an uncanny way of pulling out a loss when you most expect it ie;  when it is expected to win. 

It is worth highlighting that the Saints had only won two of their thirteen matches prior to beating us in this match, losing 75% of their matches by an average of 6 goals, including Rnd 7 earlier in the year to us by over 6 goals.

Their first win was their opening round encounter with the Lions, who only finished one place above the Saints in 15th place.  And their only other win to that point was against the even worse Suns (finished in 17th) the week before, by a miserly 2 points.

The Saints finished the year in 16th place.

We were in 6th place prior to this match and only one game behind 4th place (Collingwood) and Port (5th) at that stage with the 2nd best percentage (127%), only bettered by Richmond (135%).

We then fell two matches behind those sitting from 2nd through 6th (Collingwood & Port moving two matches ahead of us after dropping this), pretty much killing off a chance of securing a top 4 place and the double chance.

Edited September 9, 20205 yr by Rusty Nails

I have no doubt that Pert has a crystal clear view on the risk of retaining Goodwin and he was never going to share that view with the Deebrief or any any media for that matter.
He and the board are in regular contact, the increasing damage being done to membership and sponsorship are being weighed up against stability and keeping faith with the plan. 
In my opinion, Goodwin will stay but assistants will be shuffled in and out. 2021 will be the test. 
good interview and well done to the deebrief boys.

Surely draft planning for a new home ground is Stage 1 of a development. How does that with no  details of a exact location become a Phase 11. Corporate jibberish. Not unlike Goodwin.

I like to know what support Goodwin will have in 2021 if  wins are not on the board early  e.g.   1 win and  5  L     Alarm bells  I would IMO.    I am sorry to say he would be treading water.

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I think heads will roll if the season ends badly. There are enough Media stories for it to escalate 

once the Media latches on, they do not let go

We lost consecutive games to the 13th and 14th placed sides, with a guaranteed finals place on offer.

The season ended last round, and it was BAD

 

Looking forward to the phone call from a player chasing the 3 memberships I am cancelling tomorrow. My 32 yr old son told me in a phone call this week that he is thinking of buying a Gold Coast membership next season. I didn't laugh at him. I simply wished they had a better guernsey in case I decided to do the same.

[censored] this loser club. I've had enough.

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

We lost consecutive games to the 13th and 14th placed sides, with a guaranteed finals place on offer.

The season ended last round, and it was BAD

 

Looking forward to the phone call from a player chasing the 3 memberships I am cancelling tomorrow. My 32 yr old son told me in a phone call this week that he is thinking of buying a Gold Coast membership next season. I didn't laugh at him. I simply wished they had a better guernsey in case I decided to do the same.

[censored] this loser club. I've had enough.

GC are playing a good brand of footy. I got laughed at here early season when I said GC have gone past us as a Club. Young list world class facilty, good coach, exciting game plan,happy playing group. Tell your son to ask for Ben in Membership.

Soft interview. Lots of platitudes. And it left me even more unhappy.

Here are two things which I think are rubbish.

(I am trying to remember what Pert said, but these won't be verbatim)

1. No coach goes out to do anything less than his best

2. When we play at our best or near our best, we can beat the top sides.

ok, they sound all right, but for #1, SG doing his best isn't necessarily enough. We want THE best coach and Goodwin's best might be well short of that. 

And which team in the AFL when playing at their best or near best can't beat the top sides? We want to be so good that we win even when we're not at our best. Like Richmond and Geelong have recently done.

i sincerely hope Pert's real approach to our future is just being masked by the politically correct answers he has given. We want to be more ruthless, right? Maybe we start with the coach.