CHANGES: Rd 12 vs Collingwood

[binman 42,479]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Out: T Mc.. In: Gawn (if fit). Sorry Tom but that’s no debate.

Out: Jones. In: Lockhart. (Harmes goes to the 3rd wing/forward). Harmes is too good to leave out, just got to find the right role. If everything else fails we have a utility to move around.

Out: Hannan. In: Viney. I like Mitch in the side but we can rotate the 5 mids through the half forward line. Vanders, Sparrow and Spargo stay for now.

Out: Tomlinson. In: Joel Smith. Tomlinson is not a key defender, let’s stop with that right now. Smith might not be popular but we need someone to play on Mihocek who plays as a traditional lead up and back key forward. He’s too strong for Lever, too quick for Oscar or Tomlinson. 

 

May is quick enough for mihocek, but you're right Smith would be a good match up if told his job is to stick with all game. No zoning off.

Could also take Stephenson and play a similar role.

 

[titan_uranus 24,963]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Out: T Mc.. In: Gawn (if fit). Sorry Tom but that’s no debate.

Out: Jones. In: Lockhart. (Harmes goes to the 3rd wing/forward). Harmes is too good to leave out, just got to find the right role. If everything else fails we have a utility to move around.

Out: Hannan. In: Viney. I like Mitch in the side but we can rotate the 5 mids through the half forward line. Vanders, Sparrow and Spargo stay for now.

Out: Tomlinson. In: Joel Smith. Tomlinson is not a key defender, let’s stop with that right now. Smith might not be popular but we need someone to play on Mihocek who plays as a traditional lead up and back key forward. He’s too strong for Lever, too quick for Oscar or Tomlinson. 

vandenBerg goes before Hannan IMO. Hannan doesn't turn it over every single kick.

Again with the Tomlinson attack. I'm happy to drop him, but not for Joel Smith, who is no better a defender than Tomlinson. He showed that earlier this year. Some physical attributes doesn't change that. 

[DeeSpencer 25,378]

1 minute ago, binman said:

May is quick enough for mihocek, but you're right Smith would be a good match up if told his job is to stick with all game. No zoning off.

Could also take Stephenson and play a similar role.

 

May will stick in his deep spot, probably on Reid. Unless we go Oscar in on the talls and May on a Stephenson or Ruscoe. Hibberd’s got the job on Stephenson before if he’s deep, Joel wasn’t smart enough. 
 

I think with Rivers in providing skill and Lockhart hopefully run and skill the mix of the backline is favouring more another defensive player like Smith or Oscar. Tomlinson was a nice change to look at more composure and skill but I just can’t see it working against legitimate teams.

[Nelo 813]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Spargo?? Are you serious? He had 7 score involvements and barely wasted the ball.

Did some actually watched tonights game?

I must admit I said spargo too but on reflection probably not. Selection is getting tough which is good. 

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,291]

I see many calling for Jones to be dropped next week. I am interested to know what it is people aren’t liking about him at the moment. 
 

I understand that he doesn’t get a lot of the ball these days, but I thought that, at times, he composed himself when the other mids turned too helter skelter and set up some nice link play. 
 

I am unsure why so many are critical of him. He seems to play his role.

[Go the Biff 3,412]

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

vandenBerg goes before Hannan IMO. Hannan doesn't turn it over every single kick.

Again with the Tomlinson attack. I'm happy to drop him, but not for Joel Smith, who is no better a defender than Tomlinson. He showed that earlier this year. Some physical attributes doesn't change that. 

Given Collingwood's likey forward setup, Lockhart to replace Tomlinson in defence. Tomlinson to a wing. Harmes out (or AVB if you insist)

[dl4e 5,851]

Out. Jones, Tomlinson and Harmes.

In. Lockhart, Bennell and Smith.

Rest Gawn and Viney for one more week so they are ready to go against the dogs. TMAC needs another run and then Javkson may need a rest the following week. The filth side is badly depleted so we should take care of them. Problem is it is at the Gabba.

[DeeSpencer 25,378]

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

vandenBerg goes before Hannan IMO. Hannan doesn't turn it over every single kick.

Again with the Tomlinson attack. I'm happy to drop him, but not for Joel Smith, who is no better a defender than Tomlinson. He showed that earlier this year. Some physical attributes doesn't change that. 

Smith’s biggest mistakes were flying for contests he didn’t need to, defensively he gave McKay and Rohan a bath and kept Riewoldt relatively quiet given the chances Richmond had

Hannan fumbles or turns it over on about 50% of touches, he’s far from clean. I want him in the side but chasing and tackling at full fitness. 

Vanders stays until we look at Harmes, Rivers (Or Bennell, Baker, Sparrow, JJ etc) on a wing and find a proper solution (non Jones, non Gus). His importance to the defensive structure overcomes most of his mistakes - outside of gifting goals from free kicks but that shouldn’t be a consistent thing. 

[Garbo 1,517]

Changes should be easy enough Gawn and Viney in 

Tmac/Jackson(rest) and harmes/jones out

I think Spargo, Rivers, Hannan and Sparrow all did enough to hold there spot

[binman 42,479]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

May will stick in his deep spot, probably on Reid. Unless we go Oscar in on the talls and May on a Stephenson or Ruscoe. Hibberd’s got the job on Stephenson before if he’s deep, Joel wasn’t smart enough. 
 

I think with Rivers in providing skill and Lockhart hopefully run and skill the mix of the backline is favouring more another defensive player like Smith or Oscar. Tomlinson was a nice change to look at more composure and skill but I just can’t see it working against legitimate teams.

I was against thecselection of tmac. He played ok actually and all credit to him worked hard. 

My knock on him is not his ability but his condition. And but his lack of mobility was evident.

However I got it wrong, I'm happy to admit.

Not wrong in terms of the tmac maximising our chances of winning that game. But we need tmac up and about. If for no other reason than to cover the loss of any of jackson, Weed or gawn.

With no vfl how else do you get proper match conditiong into the big fella? They should have been confident about coming into that match. The roos looked depleted. 

Great chance to give tmac a really good run alternating between ruck and forward.

I wonder if the same applies to Tomlinson? Give him a couple of games down back against average opposition and get some match practice into him. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,199]

Some tough calls. 
Gawn and Viney in.  I think we need Lockhart back to mind the small forwards like Elliott, Daicos etc. 

ins. Gawn Viney Lockhart 

out. Tommy mcd. Jones Vandenburg 

[Garbo 1,517]

1 hour ago, cantstandyasam said:

We need to keep playing Tom, we need Weed and him there in the forward 50 with Jacko resting there with our mid sized forwards.

We tried that it didn’t work, unless tmac can play down back again or weid of Jackson go horribly out of form he goes straight out once gawn is fit

[Bates Mate 4,462]

Out Micano Man MKII Tomlinson

In Omac. Levers man kicked 4 due to Lever pushing up which he did well but got caught out . Omac can play the lockdown

 

[DeeSpencer 25,378]

8 minutes ago, Garbo said:

We tried that it didn’t work, unless tmac can play down back again or weid of Jackson go horribly out of form he goes straight out once gawn is fit

Fritsch and Melk are the other forwards that Tom can cover. Can’t play 3 talls and 2 mediums that don’t defend well. If one of those medium guys went out we could try the 3 talls again, especially if we lowered all their minutes and Gawn’s so only 2 were forward at any time.

[Garbo 1,517]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Fritsch and Melk are the other forwards that Tom can cover. Can’t play 3 talls and 2 mediums that don’t defend well. If one of those medium guys went out we could try the 3 talls again, especially if we lowered all their minutes and Gawn’s so only 2 were forward at any time.

I watched tmac closely tonight and although he ended up having an impact he looks so slow now, a number of times his direct opponent just ran past him even though he had position. Against better teams his direct opponent would end up tearing us a new one on the rebound, Melk can at least halve the contest and create a stoppage of nothing else. Fritsch other than kicking more points than goals is in great form right now I wouldn’t be swapping him for anyone

[DeeSpencer 25,378]

2 minutes ago, Garbo said:

I watched tmac closely tonight and although he ended up having an impact he looks so slow now, a number of times his direct opponent just ran past him even though he had position. Against better teams his direct opponent would end up tearing us a new one on the rebound, Melk can at least halve the contest and create a stoppage of nothing else. Fritsch other than kicking more points than goals is in great form right now I wouldn’t be swapping him for anyone

I’m not saying Tom is ahead of them just if either of those two medium guys came out we could think about 3 talls. Tom would play lead up CHF/cover Weid if he needs a rest and Jackson would play smaller in a flank role and ruck more than he has been with Gawn in.

Tom has to clunk a lot of marks and do a power of running to really be useful as a forward given his limited mobility but credit where it’s due for his effort tonight. Gave it his best. 

[Little Goffy 14,404]

Our consistent weakpoint all season has been tackling and especially tackling inside forward 50.

This game, six players laid one tackle inside 50 each, and Tom McDonald laid three, on the way to also being our leading tackler for the day with seven. He stays for at least another week to see how this evolves.  He may have found a new role. New, and possibly unique, the game's only 196cm pressure forward.  And if he is capable of being the humble hard worker he was tonight then he becomes a great support for the confidence-driven Weideman and the kid Jackson.

I also can't agree with dropping Jones as I felt he was an effective contributor and he just looked so damn happy.  Plus, I'm still on the fantasy ride to him playing his 300th in a winning grand final!

For me, the outs for Gawn (if played) and Viney are -

Melksham - consistently underwhelming.

VanDenBerg - currently not enough upside to justify the brain farts.

Sure, it looks like a tall team, but that's okay if one of your tall forwards is running around laying tackles and the other is just whatever exactly it is that Luke Jackson is!

[dworship 3,342]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Spargo?? Are you serious? He had 7 score involvements and barely wasted the ball.

Did some actually watched tonights game?

Yes I did, twice, and yes I know you commented about  Spargo in the quote above... but

Your previous comment " Tomlinson was good tonight with his run and dash and creates an extra option with his hard running and work ethic. He stays in." 

This comment needs challenging. 

So I say; Tmac has been asked to put on extra bulk to play KF but tonight showed he is still a better big winger than Tomlinson. I think Tomlinson will be looking for a third club if the current forward setup continues to show the improvement it has to date and TMac will take the wing position  Tomlinson was brought in for.

For me;

In: Maxy and Viney

Out: Tomlinson and Jones

 

[dworship 3,342]

45 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Out Micano Man MKII Tomlinson

In Omac. Levers man kicked 4 due to Lever pushing up which he did well but got caught out . Omac can play the lockdown

 

You also answer to No I Dear correct?

[DeeSpencer 25,378]

21 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Our consistent weakpoint all season has been tackling and especially tackling inside forward 50.

This game, six players laid one tackle inside 50 each, and Tom McDonald laid three, on the way to also being our leading tackler for the day with seven. He stays for at least another week to see how this evolves.  He may have found a new role. New, and possibly unique, the game's only 196cm pressure forward.  And if he is capable of being the humble hard worker he was tonight then he becomes a great support for the confidence-driven Weideman and the kid Jackson.

McDonald’s always been a terrible forward pressure player and he has 3 tackles and is suddenly the answer? I don’t think so. 

One of those tackles was when McKay landed on the ball after a marking contest and Tom landed on top of him. Not sure what the other 2 were. 

It was nice to see Tom give defensive effort his best shot. But the effective forward pressure was mainly from 2 things:

1. Fresh Pickett, Spargo and Hannan in

2. North’s defenders being headless chooks 
 

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

VDB for Bennell

Jones for Viney

TMac for Gawn

Rivers for Lockhart
 

This game will make or break us. It was very telling in the last quarter, with the  commentators riffing hard about how we haven’t beaten anybody who’s much chop, how we don’t have a serious forward line and how we struggle for accuracy. And all this while holding a fifty-point lead, mind you. Say what you will about commentators’ opinions, but the points they made were all valid and I think reflect the general attitude of the footy community - that we’re still not a side to be taken seriously this year. Should we be taken seriously? Next week’s result is your answer. 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Mel Bourne

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

In: Gawn, Viney and Lockhart

Out: Jones, Sparrow, Tomlinson

I like Sparrow but he is taking up precious minutes in the midfield that we need to give to Gus and Viney.

Harmes moves up field to the wing or forward line... take your pick with Jones and Tomlinson out. 

Lockhart takes Harmes spot in defence, allowing Rivers to retain his spot.

People saying we can't have 3 tall forwards is bollocks... We can keep one of them on the bench leaving our 2 key forwards in play or rotating in the Ruck while Gawn is off for a spell.  

 

[rjay 24,814]

1 hour ago, binman said:

May is quick enough for mihocek, but you're right Smith would be a good match up if told his job is to stick with all game. No zoning off.

Could also take Stephenson and play a similar role.

 

You've got to play tight and physical on Stephenson.

He will do you on the outside if given space but with no space he just doesn't go...

I think he would be too smart for Smith.

Could May go with him?

[rjay 24,814]

1 minute ago, Caligula's cohort said:

People saying we can't have 3 tall forwards is bollocks...

Hasn't worked for us, it's not bollocks.

It's only bollocks when you have 3 good ones.

We don't.

[Go the Biff 3,412]

Need to think of a strategy for Darcy Moore, I'd love to see him follow his old man's footsteps & come over to us. With Howe out, if you can limit Moore's impact & negate Maynard, the 'Pies much-vaunted defence can be opened right up.