POSTGAME: Rd 08 vs Brisbane

[Jaded No More 68,915]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Hey Gonzo. I actually really appreciate your game-sense. I expect that you are frustrated but where did we lose this one?

Couldn’t get our hands on the ball in the Centre despite Gawn’s dominance in the second and third. Missed like 6 super easy shots on goal. Bennell missed one on the run from like 1.5m out. Weideman fluffed 3 easy set shots. Pickett missed another gimme. Also we made some poor choices with the ball and turned it over and got smothered a lot. 
But otherwise it was great. Love watching a game ruined by bad choices and bad umpiring. 

[dee-tox 4,835]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Gees Harmes was poor tonight, especially late. fumbles and poor decisions.  expected a lot better from him

Harmes has been hopeless most of the year. Stupid free kicks, fumbling, missing easy shots...

Time to give Sparrow a look.

[dl4e 5,851]

We were slaughtered out of the middle.

We kicked poorly.

We made some silly decisions especially late in the game.

Umpiring was disgraceful.

[Docs Demons 1,791]

3 minutes ago, dl4e said:

We were slaughtered out of the middle.

We kicked poorly.

We made some silly decisions especially late in the game.

Umpiring was disgraceful.

Yes we still panic to much. Umpiring may have been poor but we received more frees than Lions

[Satyriconhome 10,874]

Love the comment about missing shots at goal, Brisbane weren't exactly brilliant either, we lost by less than a goal

A horrible score review, a silly 50, Brisbane 'just' better at the little things

Move on

[Jack Russell 80]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Season probably over now. Did it ever really start for us?

Time to see if Weid can take us anywhere.

Some decent signs but so many teams have passed us by.

 

How is season over ...we beat Port in 4 days were 4 and 4 but really 5 and 4 Bombers won’t get close to us and still then 8 games to go against very beatable oppo for us

[low flying Robbo 979]

I'm so angry at losing that game.... it was there for us to win, but also there has to be a please explain about that umpiring! 10m kicks getting paid for Brisbane, holding the ball calls when there was absolutely zero opportunity.... AARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH

Oh and Gerard Healy should never commentate Melbourne games again. He hates us so much. His worst was when Nev was taken high with a bump to the head, he had a go at Nev and failed to mention the Brisbane guy tucking his elbow in and going for the bump

[dice 706]

11 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

I was at the ground and we seemed to panic to many times and returned to all in and no one on outside. On a few occasions even Kossie was sucked into the contest even in pack marking in lieu of staying on outside and getting a loose ball. Many times the ball spilled out and only Brisbane players were there. Must correct this if we are to have a run at the finals. And whilst I think Bennell can be a good player for us his efforts out there tonight were shocking. Watched him closely a few times and never pushed hard to assist his mates. Just a lack of effort. Harmes and Brayshaw need to find some good form soon also.

Probably still not 100% match fit. Played 6 games in 5 years. Needs more kms in the legs and let's hope the legs hold up!

[deanox 9,915]

39 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Maybe the definition of an effective disposal should be more clearly defined !!!

Its actually very clearly definined:

- A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target;

- A kick of more than 40 metres to a 50/50 contest or better for the team; or

- A kick of less than 40 metres that results in the intended target retaining possession.

 

So to 75% of his disposals met that criteria. 7 didn't. This doesn't tell whether his long kicks were to advantage, or not but it does imply he kicked long. He was 4th in our "meters gained" stat despite only 12 kicks, indicating he kicked longer rather than shorter.

 

[Jaded No More 68,915]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Love the comment about missing shots at goal, Brisbane weren't exactly brilliant either, we lost by less than a goal

A horrible score review, a silly 50, Brisbane 'just' better at the little things

Move on

Game finished 3 hours ago. Move on guys. Nothing to see here. 

[Jaded No More 68,915]

2 minutes ago, dice said:

Probably still not 100% match fit. Played 6 games in 5 years. Needs more kms in the legs and let's hope the legs hold up!

He’s a bit soft. I really like what he brings to the table with skills but gees he hates going hard for a ground ball. 

[rjay 24,921]

They beat us around the stoppages & centre bounces.

We've got a good crew in there but we still don't consistently work well together.

Last week we got it together but this week it was 4 individuals versus a team unit.

We make the game hard for ourselves, harder than it needs to be...

[Radar Detector 1,347]

50 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Unfortunately I think that loss has cost us this year. We still need at least 6-7 wins and yet i just cannot see that happening.

This has 2017 written all over again.

If Geelong win tomorrow we’ve lost to 3 of the top 5 plus Richmond. We’re a chance against any team from here on in with all the bottom four to come. Don’t give up just yet.

[Redleg 40,912]

2 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

There’s; no point being dual sided if you cant hit the side of a barn with either. Spends more energy running on and off the ground than anything else. Would much prefer to see Jordon or Sparrow brought in to the mix than continue to see his fumbles and turnovers. 

What is wrong with him, why has he gone backwards? You are actually not an AFL player if you can't handball and kick, Being slow just makes it even worse.

This guy came 3rd in a Brownlow, what has gone wrong?

[Radar Detector 1,347]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What is wrong with him, why has he gone backwards? You are actually not an AFL player if you can't handball and kick, Being slow just makes it even worse.

This guy came 3rd in a Brownlow, what has gone wrong?

He definitely needs a spell, isn’t offering anything right now. Wing is definitely not his position either. Their has to be someone else to play that role. Can’t imagine that Tomlinson, or even TMac would offer less roaming a wing right now.

[Skuit 10,031]

52 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Couldn’t get our hands on the ball in the Centre despite Gawn’s dominance in the second and third. Missed like 6 super easy shots on goal. Bennell missed one on the run from like 1.5m out. Weideman fluffed 3 easy set shots. Pickett missed another gimme. Also we made some poor choices with the ball and turned it over and got smothered a lot. 
But otherwise it was great. Love watching a game ruined by bad choices and bad umpiring. 

Also appreciate your game-sense Jaded. Thanks for the run-down. 

[DubDee 25,858]

Overall I was happy with our second half and especially the last quarter. 3 goals to nil. 
we showed we have grown a lot from last year. We are structured up a lot better behind the ball. A lot to like. 
the second quarter was the difference when the lions got on top

[Dr. Gonzo 24,215]

45 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What is wrong with him, why has he gone backwards? You are actually not an AFL player if you can't handball and kick, Being slow just makes it even worse.

This guy came 3rd in a Brownlow, what has gone wrong?

He finished 3rd in the Brownlow when Viney was out injured most of the year and he was playing in the square. Petracca also was getting far less midfield minutes. At the moment he is really only depth for us which is a shame. He is trade bait but because of his performance he won't get us much.

[Adam The God 30,244]

3 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Brisbane went to school on our kickouts (not hard, we do the same predictable thing nearly every time)

May is super overrated at the moment IMO.

Often gets outmarked too easily and usually kicks it to a contest or a howler turnover like the one that pinged straight back for Brisbane's first goal.

I reckon we need to be far more creative with his kicking and look to really gain territory. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

Season is [censored]

I'm sick of this 'Oh we've played 5 of the top 8 teams' cr@p.

We should be a top 4 team and it's frustrating because I have to sit watching the game truly believing that I could coach this team to the top 4. (hand on heart). 

Like why would goodwin start with Jetta on Cameron? Rankin destroyed Jetta 3 weeks earlier, so it was scary thinking what Cameron would do. Fortunately, the obvious move was made and Hibberd was put on Cameron. But it's stuff like this that Goodwin doesn't seem to understand.

 

[Adam The God 30,244]

3 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Must bring in TMac to straighten us . There are sides that play 3 tall forwards and are doing quite well, we can at least  have 2 ourselves there. TMac has to play this week. We need his streghth and experience.

I suspect he'll get a call up, but I think he gets in the way of our forward set up and I wouldn't bring him in. That's just me though.

3 hours ago, SPC said:

I hope we go unchanged next week.. love Jackson, he is close to ripping it apart!! 

I love him too but I'm not expecting him to rip a game apart. I'm happy with his competing in the air, at ground level and his smarts. He doesn't need to rip a game apart to be doing a good job in our structure. I'd certainly welcome it, but it's unlikely at this early stage.

 

[Adam The God 30,244]

3 hours ago, Pates said:

Close to it, he had a poor game and that cost us any chance we had of winning. Tempted to bring TMac in for him off that effort. 

I thought Fritsch and Hannan were both terrible for the majority of the night. They brought a bit of pressure in the first quarter, but after that fumbled and slipped about. Even in that chain they were both involved in that ended with a Melksham goal, they both did their best to slip over or almost fall flat on their face's.

Hannan has been far too inconsistent throughout his career thus far. Fritsch's set shot kicking this year has gone off the boil in a big way. He used to be so assured, now he's more likely to miss.

We can't continue to carry two inconsistent performers in our forwardline every week, particularly when we're basically playing Bennell forward to increase the kms in his legs. That's half your forwardline that show the occasional thing or two, but then massively fade out of games. Bennell I get, the other two, not so much. 

[bing181 9,229]

3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

We should be a top 4 team

Delusional. 

[Rocknroll 1,004]

Fagan's post match is worth a watch.  Rates our mids. But we were beaten in the guts. 

[BW511 2,668]

Had a bit of time to digest this and it’s not getting any better.

We were belted around the stoppages by clean, slick ball use from their mids. That’s got a lot to do with the conditions and Brisbane being more at home with the greasy ball and surface. It would be interesting to see/hear what our plans and setups at the stoppages are hoping to achieve? Having opposition roving off Max should not ever happen. He is hitting the ball exactly where he wants it to go 80%+ of the time and there isn’t a Dees mid in sight. The Lions mids had so much space in the middle. They work really hard for each other.

A lot of our forwards seem to play arrogant/showy early and they just need to do the basics right. Fritsch, Hannan, Melksham, Pickett all hope for 1/10 chances or even lower. It’s flashy looking stuff, but rarely comes off. Pickett could be a great player eventually, but if he keeps giving away free kicks for his best attribute (pressure) then he’s doing more damage than good. Jones had some typical blazing away at goal early and it showed why he had been out of the side. He’s always very rushed. 

The debate around Jetta is really hard to swallow, he’s been a great player for us for a long time. Just super reliable and dogged. He’s just too slow and lacking athleticism now. He does lead with his head and it is hurting him physically but also not helping our game by being a man down. A courageous act that causes an injury is one thing, sticking your head in the firing line continually is a sign of the end.

You could tell this game was not going well from the first 2 minutes, we were off the pace from the gun.

Admirable losses on the back of a huge surge are incredibly frustrating and have covered up a lot of sub par efforts for 3-4 years. We just need to get better at controlling games, not scrap our way back into them.