TEAMS: Rd 04 vs Geelong

[JTR 2,856]

25 minutes ago, binman said:

I meant to do tonight's one. Was working and list track of time, remembering only at 7:28. Was it good? 

Yeah it was. All of Mahoneys ones so far have been pretty interesting. Pretty sure they record the sessions as I remember that being said after the Richardson one. Maybe they post them on the club website somewhere?

[dazzledavey36 55,390]

I don't mind the Jetta omission. Its bold, and at least Goodwin isn't just playing him just because of his outstanding service. See Jones as well.

Jetta is one of my all time faves ( note my avatar) but unfortunately he hasn't had form since 2018, and this year he just looks slow and is clearly out of form.

From all reports Lockhart has absolutely been banging the door down, so he deserves his opportunity. Looking forward to Pickett play!

[ChaserJ 5,169]

4 hours ago, JTR said:

According to Mahoney about 5 minutes ago (Zoom call).

Jetta down on form and he acknowledges that himself.

Hibberd coming in allows Harmes to get back into the midfield mix.

 

Oh and Bennell...  he said they want to work him back into it slowly. He was never going to playing every game this season.  They want him to be a long term player and so he will be in for a couple then out for a lower intensity match in between, such as with this week in the scratch match. 

The other element Mahoney mentioned was that with Hannan & VandenBerg in, both haven't got a lot of miles in the legs after their injuries, and the coaching team didn't want to carry (for want of a better word) Bennell, who at this point would only be expected to see 60% of game time (FWIW I did have a similar concern going into the Bombers game when Bennell & VandenBerg were both selected).

On Weideman, Mahoney said he's going ok, but they (coaching panel I assume) wanted to have a look at the forward line structure with just the one tall for a period of time. Sam will be right in contention when they decide they want to switch to two talls.

I think we are going to see a fair amount of experimentation with the side for a block of the season before we settle into a team and game style.

[whatwhat say what 22,976]

i wish we could watch these zoom calls

[nosoupforme 3,085]

It is a good side picked  and we can go in with confidence with more than a healthy list  to pick from.   It will be  about team balance.            With Hibberd,   Vanders and Hannan it  gives us a hard edge  and with Kossi and Lockhart our future,  they are certainly red hot goers.

All good inclusions which makes the team very solid .  It is a good start and now we have to make it happen.

Edited June 26, 2020 by nosoupforme

[Pates 9,661]

The forward line is still my main concern, I like someone's earlier suggestion of playing Hunt at FF and move Fritta into a HFF role, keep Tommy Mac as a CHF (please let him clunk some marks this week!). Like so much of course it's dependent on delivery, spot up passes or at least space for players to run into. Hunt has had a good start to the year and looked good in the limited footage from the Intraclub match.

Honestly with this year going the way it has I literally don't have a clue what we'll bring to the table this weekend. 

[loges 6,767]

8 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not sure I agree totally mate.

ANB was good against the Blues - Dropped.

Hannan & vandenBerg - Rushed straight back in from injury.

Brown and Weid - Not even getting a sniff.

TMac and Gus - Indifferent form for a long time now but picked every week regardless.

Sure, Nev and Jones have been dropped, but most of the other names are the same ones that get the same amount of either extremely limited or seemingly overextended chances.

Trouble is three of the players you've named have tenuous claims to getting a game at best. ANB (faded like the rest against Carlton). Weid and Brown still not showing enough.  as someone else posted about TMac, there is no one else

[Balance Demon 92]

The only downside to the changes is that we have a small forward line, with Tommy being the only tall.

[dazzledavey36 55,390]

7 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

The other element Mahoney mentioned was that with Hannan & VandenBerg in, both haven't got a lot of miles in the legs after their injuries, and the coaching team didn't want to carry (for want of a better word) Bennell, who at this point would only be expected to see 60% of game time (FWIW I did have a similar concern going into the Bombers game when Bennell & VandenBerg were both selected).

On Weideman, Mahoney said he's going ok, but they (coaching panel I assume) wanted to have a look at the forward line structure with just the one tall for a period of time. Sam will be right in contention when they decide they want to switch to two talls.

I think we are going to see a fair amount of experimentation with the side for a block of the season before we settle into a team and game style.

Sooooo we're tanking?? Lol

 

 

Too soon?

Edited June 26, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[Lucifers Hero 40,375]

10 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

The other element Mahoney mentioned was that with Hannan & VandenBerg in, both haven't got a lot of miles in the legs after their injuries, and the coaching team didn't want to carry (for want of a better word) Bennell, who at this point would only be expected to see 60% of game time (FWIW I did have a similar concern going into the Bombers game when Bennell & VandenBerg were both selected).

On Weideman, Mahoney said he's going ok, but they (coaching panel I assume) wanted to have a look at the forward line structure with just the one tall for a period of time. Sam will be right in contention when they decide they want to switch to two talls.

I think we are going to see a fair amount of experimentation with the side for a block of the season before we settle into a team and game style.

Good report, thanks.

I thought the off-season (Sept to March) is when to experiment with structures.  Worrying that we are experimenting 'for a period of time' because that affects so many other things like ball movement from the midfield, running patterns for forwards, etc.   The coach talks about cohesion/connection with forwards.  If we are still experimenting it is no wonder we can't get that cohesion and connection. 

I wonder how many games 'a period of time' is.  The season will be half gone and we will still be experimenting. 

The more the season goes on the less hope I have for us making finals.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, loges said:

Trouble is three of the players you've named have tenuous claims to getting a game at best. ANB (faded like the rest against Carlton). Weid and Brown still not showing enough.  as someone else posted about TMac, there is no one else

As far as similar roles go, ANB had a far superior game to both Jones and Melksham. Now, I prefer both Jones and Melksham as footballers, but if we're truly picking on form then I'm not sure ANB is the one to get dropped out of the three after that game.

Brown and Weid have both kicked bags in scratch matches and intraclubs, TMac has barely fired a shot in both regular games and intraclubs. Jackson (whom I rate very very highly as a talent) had no impact in the Carlton game. Yet, TMac no chance to be dropped and Jackson named in the squad ahead of both Brown and Weid. Sure, there might be things behind the scenes, but form wise it's completely backwards.

Brayshaw has plodded along for 18 months in absolutely no danger of being dropped.

To me, just seems like Goodwin absolutely does favour certain names.

[Redleg 41,629]

Looks like Jon Ralph is trying to stir up trouble. 
Has written that despite Goodwin saying Harley was not picked on a minutes on ground basis, that Harley believes he was dropped for poor form. 
Unless he has spoken to Harley that is pretty ordinary.

[dazzledavey36 55,390]

22 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

As far as similar roles go, ANB had a far superior game to both Jones and Melksham. Now, I prefer both Jones and Melksham as footballers, but if we're truly picking on form then I'm not sure ANB is the one to get dropped out of the three after that game.

Brown and Weid have both kicked bags in scratch matches and intraclubs, TMac has barely fired a shot in both regular games and intraclubs. Jackson (whom I rate very very highly as a talent) had no impact in the Carlton game. Yet, TMac no chance to be dropped and Jackson named in the squad ahead of both Brown and Weid. Sure, there might be things behind the scenes, but form wise it's completely backwards.

Brayshaw has plodded along for 18 months in absolutely no danger of being dropped.

To me, just seems like Goodwin absolutely does favour certain names.

Not sure i am in the same boat with this statement. Dropping Neville Jetta, Nathan Jones and Michael Hibbered shows he's now not afraid to drop big name players that don't perform. It's been well documented that Goodwin is quite close to these 3 players as well, so I don't think there is favouritism at all.

I think Goodwin is also about giving players a fair go as well. Yes ANB was dropped after that one game, but to be honest he hasn't performed since 2018. Same as Oscar Mac. I think he's just lost patience with the likes of those two as he's shown to give them a real decent opportunity and yet they haven't performed up to standard. Its no coincidence they're on the outer now.

Tom McDonald is really on thin line imo. Put up another stinker against the Cats and I reckon Weid or Brown will take his spot.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure i am in the same boat with this statement. Dropping Neville Jetta, Nathan Jones and Michael Hibbered shows he's now not afraid to drop big name players that don't perform. It's been well documented that Goodwin is quite close to these 3 players as well, so I don't think there is favouritism at all.

I think Goodwin is also about giving players a fair go as well. Yes ANB was dropped after that one game, but to be honest he hasn't performed since 2018. Same as Oscar Mac. I think he's just lost patience with the likes of those two as he's shown to give them a real decent opportunity and yet they haven't performed up to standard. Its no coincidence they're on the outer now.

Tom McDonald is really on thin line imo. Put up another stinker against the Cats and I reckon Weid or Brown will take his spot.

Fair mate. I guess I'm more saying that to me it seems inconsistent. Certain players (TMac, Gus especially) are giving unlimited chances. They're both players I rate, but both well below expectation for a very long time.

Also think it's poor if he's "lost patience" in players. It should be purely based on form, not past performance or draft order or anything of the like. Both ANB and OMac were good in 2018, which coincidentally is pretty much the last time Gus and TMac were consistently good also.

[dazzledavey36 55,390]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair mate. I guess I'm more saying that to me it seems inconsistent. Certain players (TMac, Gus especially) are giving unlimited chances. They're both players I rate, but both well below expectation for a very long time.

Also think it's poor if he's "lost patience" in players. It should be purely based on form, not past performance or draft order or anything of the like. Both ANB and OMac were good in 2018, which coincidentally is pretty much the last time Gus and TMac were consistently good also.

I was bored the other night and decided to watch some games back from 2018. Gus Brayshaw at times was far more superior as a midfielder then the likes of Oliver, Petracca, Viney. Yet I feel for some unknown reason he is pushed out from getting valuable time in the centre circle.

I do agree to an extent. I thought Oscar incredibly stiff to be dropped against Carlton after he shut down Darling. Honestly though it was one of his best games. So yes its selection like that I too am confused.

 

[JTR 2,856]

FWIW, something else Mahoney said last night is that Jones is struggling to run out games and get his regular km in. Achilles niggle.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,245]

In my opinion Tmac and Brayshaw are given more chances when form is shaky because if they hit form their value to the side is significant. Also what is the potential impact of the player that is missing out. I think I heard someone mention Ben Matthews state that Angus was the best performed mid in the intra last week. Hopefully this starts to translate into this week against the cats. 

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The one I am struggling with is Hibberd. 

Not fast, not particularly strong overhead, OK in a contest but often turns over the intercept or just plain hacks it away.

Also pretty sure Tmac will need a big game this week. He has been below average now for over a year. And that old "bring the ball to the ground" chestnut? Worked so well when we had Chris "Gravity" Dawes patrolling the forward line, right?

 

[darkhorse72 1,925]

13 hours ago, JTR said:

Email comes around once per week from which you can register for the session/s you want to attend. Then on the day of you get another email with a link to the meeting. 

Agree with binman in that they have been really good. 

Next ones are Plapp on Tuesday and Mahoney next Friday.

Mahoney is the regular one each Friday but others that have been on so far are Gawn, Viney, Matthews & Richardson.

Edit - questions you want asked can be pre-submitted or asked during session.

Thanks, I'll need to check my email.  I rarely do as being in WA most are not relevant. 

[george_on_the_outer 7,730]

30 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

Thanks, I'll need to check my email.  I rarely do as being in WA most are not relevant. 

I'm also not getting emails, and have contacted the club twice about this.  Last response was the problem lay with the AFL....awaiting the last response.

[rjay 25,161]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Looks like Jon Ralph is trying to stir up trouble. 
Has written that despite Goodwin saying Harley was not picked on a minutes on ground basis, that Harley believes he was dropped for poor form. 
Unless he has spoken to Harley that is pretty ordinary.

All I know is that the sooner he is back in, the better we will be.

Godwin's messaging was as clear as mud.

A fit Bennell will be of more benefit than any of this weeks inclusions with the exception of maybe Pickett.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

10 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

The other element Mahoney mentioned was that with Hannan & VandenBerg in, both haven't got a lot of miles in the legs after their injuries, and the coaching team didn't want to carry (for want of a better word) Bennell, who at this point would only be expected to see 60% of game time (FWIW I did have a similar concern going into the Bombers game when Bennell & VandenBerg were both selected).

On Weideman, Mahoney said he's going ok, but they (coaching panel I assume) wanted to have a look at the forward line structure with just the one tall for a period of time. Sam will be right in contention when they decide they want to switch to two talls.

I think we are going to see a fair amount of experimentation with the side for a block of the season before we settle into a team and game style.

Might have omitted the word "ineffective"

[Willmoy1947 4,152]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Looks like Jon Ralph is trying to stir up trouble. 
Has written that despite Goodwin saying Harley was not picked on a minutes on ground basis, that Harley believes he was dropped for poor form. 
Unless he has spoken to Harley that is pretty ordinary.

Maybe Ralph Mouth should have a chat to Burgess. That should go well.....

[Willmoy1947 4,152]

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair mate. I guess I'm more saying that to me it seems inconsistent. Certain players (TMac, Gus especially) are giving unlimited chances. They're both players I rate, but both well below expectation for a very long time.

Also think it's poor if he's "lost patience" in players. It should be purely based on form, not past performance or draft order or anything of the like. Both ANB and OMac were good in 2018, which coincidentally is pretty much the last time Gus and TMac were consistently good also.

Do you need favorites when you are winning games? Becomes meaningless perhaps?

[Willmoy1947 4,152]

Vandenberg needs to be the injurer now not the injuree.....and what more deserving team than the "rats"