Jump to content

Featured Replies

 
  • Author
13 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Eyes forward.

Agree. Just saying I miss the good stuff Howe, Hogan, Watts and Kent did...

 
15 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

2019: Watts 2 games 0 goals.  Kent 13 games 12 goals.....not much in the way of goal kicking sources.

Kent’s 12 goals in 13 games probably would’ve won him a Bluey the way most of our player went about it last year.

If Kent played a full season he would’ve kicked 25 odd goals which would’ve been enough to win the leading goal kicking award.

So yes, he would’ve provide a valuable goal source if you think about it.


10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If Kent played a full season

That was always his issue though, he invariably broke down/got injured.

18 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

In 2019 we could’ve done with Kent and Watts as goal kicking sources.

Both missed most of 2019 with a injury

6 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, Watts plainly should’ve done much more even though he suffered a badly broken leg and dislocated ankle in round 2 and was in rehab for the rest of the year.

As an aside, in 2016 and 2017 Watts was ranked #2 in the competition for effective kicks inside 50.

I reckon it’s fair to say we could’ve used a player like that last year.

 

Nope. Nope and nope. 

 
3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Kent’s 12 goals in 13 games probably would’ve won him a Bluey the way most of our player went about it last year.

If Kent played a full season he would’ve kicked 25 odd goals which would’ve been enough to win the leading goal kicking award.

So yes, he would’ve provide a valuable goal source if you think about it.

let it go bbp.....you'll feel much better


8 hours ago, ProDee said:

You mean he matured after 10 years in the system ?  Wow.  Good on him.

What you, and others, seemingly constantly fail to understand is that his attributes ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

weren't ''enough''.

Plainly we don’t agree on the value of Watts’ attributes.. In short, I think his attributes have value, it seems you don’t - not at AFL level at least.

Relevantly, a good mate of mine (who’s a Port supporter and who’s very well connected at the club) told me that Watts is well regarded at Port and that they were expecting him to have a really good season in 2019 off half back. Despite his well documented activities in Munich immediately following season 2018, he apparently had a great preseason and was set for a big year. A badly broken leg put paid to that.

Make of this what you will. I expect you’ll attribute zero credence to it. The fact is however that Watts has skills which are recognised by knowledgeable people in the industry. This is a fact, not my opinion.

As an aside, I remain a Goodwin supporter, but I think even he would acknowledge that he has adjusted his settings on contested beasts and that he now (partially) respects players with good foot skills - i.e. he may now have more respect for Jack Watts’ attributes than he did a couple of years ago.

Anyway - Jack is not the enemy. Against his will, he was traded to another club. He seems to have accepted it and moved on. Why keep bagging him?

 

 

3 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Plainly we don’t agree on the value of Watts’ attributes.. In short, I think his attributes have value, it seems you don’t - not at AFL level at least.

Relevantly, a good mate of mine (who’s a Port supporter and who’s very well connected at the club) told me that Watts is well regarded at Port and that they were expecting him to have a really good season in 2019 off half back. Despite his well documented activities in Munich immediately following season 2018, he apparently had a great preseason and was set for a big year. A badly broken leg put paid to that.

Make of this what you will. I expect you’ll attribute zero credence to it. The fact is however that Watts has skills which are recognised by knowledgeable people in the industry. This is a fact, not my opinion.

As an aside, I remain a Goodwin supporter, but I think even he would acknowledge that he has adjusted his settings on contested beasts and that he now (partially) respects players with good foot skills - i.e. he may now have more respect for Jack Watts’ attributes than he did a couple of years ago.

Anyway - Jack is not the enemy. Against his will, he was traded to another club. He seems to have accepted it and moved on. Why keep bagging him?

 

Point 1.  Yes, plainly we agree that we disagree.  No, I don't value Watts two kicks per quarter.  Nor did his former coach and nor did his new coach, otherwise he wouldn't have had his [censored] kicked to the kerb by the former and he wouldn't have been dropped by the latter.

Point 2.  Yes, he's OK behind the ball.  Thank FFT, as he's useless anywhere else.

Point 3.  Yes, he has skills.  If you need industry sources as validation of Watts' skills give up watching footy.  We all know he has skills.

Point 4.  I doubt Goodwin craves your validation, but I also have zero doubt about his desire for the contest.  It hasn't changed.  Now, he knows there are degrees of contested beasts, but his ''acceptable level'' in the contest would not have changed.  We sucked in the contest in 2019 for a number of reasons and Watts wouldn't have helped that criteria.  He's comical.  But he still has a belated chance to improve this failing at his current club.

Point 5.  Why keep bagging him ?  If a poor watcher of football makes incorrect assertions about a player, i.e you, I reserve the right to contribute.  I responded to drivel, I didn't initiate.  You did.

 

 

13 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Didnt really  like the pickup at the time.. always though he was overrated at the Pies.

Have we ever won a trade with them?

Everyone at the Pies is overrated. Always. It's because that club is media-hyped up the yinyang.

Remember the little kid on the Coodabeens who rang every week to ask if Craig Starcevich was going to win the Brownlow? That said it all.

10 hours ago, ProDee said:

Point 4.  I doubt Goodwin craves your validation, but I also have zero doubt about his desire for the contest.  It hasn't changed.  Now, he knows there are degrees of contested beasts, but his ''acceptable level'' in the contest would not have changed.  We sucked in the contest in 2019 for a number of reasons and Watts wouldn't have helped that criteria.  He's comical.  But he still has a belated chance to improve this failing at his current club.

Why do you say things like this? I’ve not ever suggested that Goodwin cares about my opinion or sought to make this an issue.

It just takes debates into an unnecessarily personal realm.

Quite frankly, I don’t know anyone here (or Simon Goodwin) and I certainly don’t crave any validation in this aspect of my life. I am a passionate Dees’ supporter and merely come here to find out stuff about the club and the list etc, and to otherwise have a chat with people who seem also to support the club (which is my only avenue really given that my wife has zero interest in AFL and I live in Sydney where 100% of people of zero interest in the Melbourne Demons).

That said, I appreciate your response. Thank you.

 

Lumumba played an unreal quarter against North in that ridiculously scoring Hobart game in early 2016. Otherwise serviceable but given that we only paid for with a 'retired' Mitch Clark he did enough. Certainly didn't have the negative influence that some expected. If you'd gone by the forums when he was recruited he was going to have the rookie list in a circle reading Marx and launching a revolution to overthrow the President.


I cant believe people could be missing Jack Watts or Lamumba. For followers of the Demons to believe we would be a better club with these two airheads still on board is hard to grasp. This board would be in meltdown if we still carried these clowns who would have influenced younger players with their crap. Anyone who had met Heretier and saw his posing 1st hand would not be upset with his departure.

On 1/10/2020 at 8:27 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I prefer Hogan over May as Hogan actually provided good service to us and barely missed games (aside from 2014 and the last few weeks of 2018).

Hopefully May has a full season this year.

Definitely prefer what Hogan gave us over May, and at 28yo having never played a full season it's pretty unlikely he will unfortunately.

Edited by TheoX

On 1/11/2020 at 6:16 AM, ProDee said:

Lumumba was one of the softest Melbourne players I've had the misfortune to lay my eyes on.

He'd have to have stiff competition for that!

  • Author
35 minutes ago, Damo said:

I cant believe people could be missing Jack Watts or Lamumba. For followers of the Demons to believe we would be a better club with these two airheads still on board is hard to grasp. This board would be in meltdown if we still carried these clowns who would have influenced younger players with their crap. Anyone who had met Heretier and saw his posing 1st hand would not be upset with his departure.

One man's airhead, another man's guru. 

There but for the grace of whatever god...

Why waste time and energy bagging players?


On 1/11/2020 at 10:33 AM, faultydet said:

Jurrah ate him for breakfast in the softness stakes.

Lumumbas biggest problem was his softness between the ears. A huge dose of self importance can do that to a bloke.

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

  • Author
2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

Look on the bright side: there was the occasional gem: Peter Moore, Wayne Gordon, Henry Coles...

  • Author
4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

No, Phil Carman takes that prize.

 

 
2 minutes ago, dieter said:

No, Phil Carman takes that prize.

 

Bill Barham???

54 minutes ago, dieter said:

One man's airhead, another man's guru. 

 

Ok thanks for letting me know where you're at.


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 13

    Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

      • Clap
      • Like
    • 95 replies
  • PREVIEW: Collingwood

    Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

      • Like
    • 1 reply
  • CASEY: Sydney

    The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

      • Like
    • 1 reply
  • REPORT: St. Kilda

    Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
    This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

      • Like
    • 4 replies
  • PREGAME: Collingwood

    After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Like
    • 362 replies
  • PODCAST: St. Kilda

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 47 replies