HL was a funny cat

His farewell speech when he left the Pies was a classic

I see that the doyen of Demonland is back

Didn't take him long to start his Watts' bashing

Hero

  On 10/01/2020 at 12:37, Moonshadow said:

Eyes forward.

Agree. Just saying I miss the good stuff Howe, Hogan, Watts and Kent did...

  On 10/01/2020 at 11:37, george_on_the_outer said:

2019: Watts 2 games 0 goals.  Kent 13 games 12 goals.....not much in the way of goal kicking sources.

Kent’s 12 goals in 13 games probably would’ve won him a Bluey the way most of our player went about it last year.

If Kent played a full season he would’ve kicked 25 odd goals which would’ve been enough to win the leading goal kicking award.

So yes, he would’ve provide a valuable goal source if you think about it.

  On 11/01/2020 at 00:43, 58er said:

And Hogan!!!!

Yeah agreed!

  On 11/01/2020 at 02:40, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If Kent played a full season

That was always his issue though, he invariably broke down/got injured.

  On 10/01/2020 at 09:24, Bring-Back-Powell said:

In 2019 we could’ve done with Kent and Watts as goal kicking sources.

Both missed most of 2019 with a injury

  On 10/01/2020 at 22:37, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, Watts plainly should’ve done much more even though he suffered a badly broken leg and dislocated ankle in round 2 and was in rehab for the rest of the year.

As an aside, in 2016 and 2017 Watts was ranked #2 in the competition for effective kicks inside 50.

I reckon it’s fair to say we could’ve used a player like that last year.

 

Nope. Nope and nope. 

  On 11/01/2020 at 02:40, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Kent’s 12 goals in 13 games probably would’ve won him a Bluey the way most of our player went about it last year.

If Kent played a full season he would’ve kicked 25 odd goals which would’ve been enough to win the leading goal kicking award.

So yes, he would’ve provide a valuable goal source if you think about it.

let it go bbp.....you'll feel much better

Didnt really  like the pickup at the time.. always though he was overrated at the Pies.

Have we ever won a trade with them?

  On 10/01/2020 at 23:51, ProDee said:

You mean he matured after 10 years in the system ?  Wow.  Good on him.

What you, and others, seemingly constantly fail to understand is that his attributes ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

weren't ''enough''.

Plainly we don’t agree on the value of Watts’ attributes.. In short, I think his attributes have value, it seems you don’t - not at AFL level at least.

Relevantly, a good mate of mine (who’s a Port supporter and who’s very well connected at the club) told me that Watts is well regarded at Port and that they were expecting him to have a really good season in 2019 off half back. Despite his well documented activities in Munich immediately following season 2018, he apparently had a great preseason and was set for a big year. A badly broken leg put paid to that.

Make of this what you will. I expect you’ll attribute zero credence to it. The fact is however that Watts has skills which are recognised by knowledgeable people in the industry. This is a fact, not my opinion.

As an aside, I remain a Goodwin supporter, but I think even he would acknowledge that he has adjusted his settings on contested beasts and that he now (partially) respects players with good foot skills - i.e. he may now have more respect for Jack Watts’ attributes than he did a couple of years ago.

Anyway - Jack is not the enemy. Against his will, he was traded to another club. He seems to have accepted it and moved on. Why keep bagging him?

 

 

  On 11/01/2020 at 09:09, Ron Burgundy said:

Plainly we don’t agree on the value of Watts’ attributes.. In short, I think his attributes have value, it seems you don’t - not at AFL level at least.

Relevantly, a good mate of mine (who’s a Port supporter and who’s very well connected at the club) told me that Watts is well regarded at Port and that they were expecting him to have a really good season in 2019 off half back. Despite his well documented activities in Munich immediately following season 2018, he apparently had a great preseason and was set for a big year. A badly broken leg put paid to that.

Make of this what you will. I expect you’ll attribute zero credence to it. The fact is however that Watts has skills which are recognised by knowledgeable people in the industry. This is a fact, not my opinion.

As an aside, I remain a Goodwin supporter, but I think even he would acknowledge that he has adjusted his settings on contested beasts and that he now (partially) respects players with good foot skills - i.e. he may now have more respect for Jack Watts’ attributes than he did a couple of years ago.

Anyway - Jack is not the enemy. Against his will, he was traded to another club. He seems to have accepted it and moved on. Why keep bagging him?

 

Point 1.  Yes, plainly we agree that we disagree.  No, I don't value Watts two kicks per quarter.  Nor did his former coach and nor did his new coach, otherwise he wouldn't have had his [censored] kicked to the kerb by the former and he wouldn't have been dropped by the latter.

Point 2.  Yes, he's OK behind the ball.  Thank FFT, as he's useless anywhere else.

Point 3.  Yes, he has skills.  If you need industry sources as validation of Watts' skills give up watching footy.  We all know he has skills.

Point 4.  I doubt Goodwin craves your validation, but I also have zero doubt about his desire for the contest.  It hasn't changed.  Now, he knows there are degrees of contested beasts, but his ''acceptable level'' in the contest would not have changed.  We sucked in the contest in 2019 for a number of reasons and Watts wouldn't have helped that criteria.  He's comical.  But he still has a belated chance to improve this failing at his current club.

Point 5.  Why keep bagging him ?  If a poor watcher of football makes incorrect assertions about a player, i.e you, I reserve the right to contribute.  I responded to drivel, I didn't initiate.  You did.

 

 

  On 11/01/2020 at 07:21, JakovichScissorKick said:

Didnt really  like the pickup at the time.. always though he was overrated at the Pies.

Have we ever won a trade with them?

Everyone at the Pies is overrated. Always. It's because that club is media-hyped up the yinyang.

Remember the little kid on the Coodabeens who rang every week to ask if Craig Starcevich was going to win the Brownlow? That said it all.

  On 11/01/2020 at 13:21, ProDee said:

Point 4.  I doubt Goodwin craves your validation, but I also have zero doubt about his desire for the contest.  It hasn't changed.  Now, he knows there are degrees of contested beasts, but his ''acceptable level'' in the contest would not have changed.  We sucked in the contest in 2019 for a number of reasons and Watts wouldn't have helped that criteria.  He's comical.  But he still has a belated chance to improve this failing at his current club.

Why do you say things like this? I’ve not ever suggested that Goodwin cares about my opinion or sought to make this an issue.

It just takes debates into an unnecessarily personal realm.

Quite frankly, I don’t know anyone here (or Simon Goodwin) and I certainly don’t crave any validation in this aspect of my life. I am a passionate Dees’ supporter and merely come here to find out stuff about the club and the list etc, and to otherwise have a chat with people who seem also to support the club (which is my only avenue really given that my wife has zero interest in AFL and I live in Sydney where 100% of people of zero interest in the Melbourne Demons).

That said, I appreciate your response. Thank you.

 

Lumumba played an unreal quarter against North in that ridiculously scoring Hobart game in early 2016. Otherwise serviceable but given that we only paid for with a 'retired' Mitch Clark he did enough. Certainly didn't have the negative influence that some expected. If you'd gone by the forums when he was recruited he was going to have the rookie list in a circle reading Marx and launching a revolution to overthrow the President.

  On 12/01/2020 at 00:13, Ron Burgundy said:

 

That said, I appreciate your response. Thank you.

 

Why?

He bagged you out...

Oh well..

I cant believe people could be missing Jack Watts or Lamumba. For followers of the Demons to believe we would be a better club with these two airheads still on board is hard to grasp. This board would be in meltdown if we still carried these clowns who would have influenced younger players with their crap. Anyone who had met Heretier and saw his posing 1st hand would not be upset with his departure.

  On 10/01/2020 at 09:27, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I prefer Hogan over May as Hogan actually provided good service to us and barely missed games (aside from 2014 and the last few weeks of 2018).

Hopefully May has a full season this year.

Definitely prefer what Hogan gave us over May, and at 28yo having never played a full season it's pretty unlikely he will unfortunately.

Edited January 12, 20205 yr by TheoX

  On 10/01/2020 at 20:16, ProDee said:

Lumumba was one of the softest Melbourne players I've had the misfortune to lay my eyes on.

He'd have to have stiff competition for that!

  On 12/01/2020 at 02:11, Damo said:

I cant believe people could be missing Jack Watts or Lamumba. For followers of the Demons to believe we would be a better club with these two airheads still on board is hard to grasp. This board would be in meltdown if we still carried these clowns who would have influenced younger players with their crap. Anyone who had met Heretier and saw his posing 1st hand would not be upset with his departure.

One man's airhead, another man's guru. 

There but for the grace of whatever god...

Why waste time and energy bagging players?

  On 10/01/2020 at 23:33, faultydet said:

Jurrah ate him for breakfast in the softness stakes.

Lumumbas biggest problem was his softness between the ears. A huge dose of self importance can do that to a bloke.

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

  On 12/01/2020 at 03:12, picket fence said:

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

Look on the bright side: there was the occasional gem: Peter Moore, Wayne Gordon, Henry Coles...

  On 12/01/2020 at 03:12, picket fence said:

In a cesspool of Collingwood rejects we have taken , Lumumba was possibly the worst one yet!

No, Phil Carman takes that prize.

 

  On 12/01/2020 at 03:17, dieter said:

No, Phil Carman takes that prize.

 

Bill Barham???

  On 12/01/2020 at 02:48, dieter said:

One man's airhead, another man's guru. 

 

Ok thanks for letting me know where you're at.