IMO, with the new material coming forward about ASADA not noting the drug as banned, until 4 months after the Bombers stopped using it, even though it was a WADA banned drug for years, the AFL will find a way to reinstate the Brownlow win of Jobe Watson.  This is the loophole needed to reverse the stripping of his win. 

The other 2 players who won the Brownlow in a tie as runners up, IMO, will also be allowed to keep theirs.

Edited October 16, 20196 yr by Redleg

Will the ceremony include a stripping of the Brownlow off Cotchin?

Wasn't it deemed an illegal substance purely because it wasn't an approved substance?

The Free the Essendon 34 will be loving it

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/16/a-stitch-up-new-twist-in-essendon-supplements-saga-reported

Pity the spin will hide the real story:

“Thymosin Beta 4 was included on the 2010 prohibited list by Wada .... Thymosin Beta 4 has never been approved for human use. Whether a substance was on Asada’s former Check Your Substances tool has no bearing on its status as a prohibited substance on Wada’s prohibited list.

“It is impossible to list every substance that may be used for performance enhancement in such a tool, particularly those not approved for use by humans.”

 

I'd say it's a classic distraction from the Bombers, because they aren't going to get what the fans want for a broken Daniher.

Is that the Brownlow he lost? 

15 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Will the ceremony include a stripping of the Brownlow off Cotchin?

See OP.

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Is that the Brownlow he lost? 

Yes.

12 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Wasn't it deemed an illegal substance purely because it wasn't an approved substance?

No.

Interesting that none of the highly paid lawyers involved for years over the course of this saga managed to miss this somehow.

7 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

I'd say it's a classic distraction from the Bombers, because they aren't going to get what the fans want for a broken Daniher.

Has Robbo's paw prints all over it.

12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The Free the Essendon 34 will be loving it

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/16/a-stitch-up-new-twist-in-essendon-supplements-saga-reported

Pity the spin will hide the real story:

“Thymosin Beta 4 was included on the 2010 prohibited list by Wada .... Thymosin Beta 4 has never been approved for human use. Whether a substance was on Asada’s former Check Your Substances tool has no bearing on its status as a prohibited substance on Wada’s prohibited list.

“It is impossible to list every substance that may be used for performance enhancement in such a tool, particularly those not approved for use by humans.”

 

IMO the bans penalty, even though served, will not be lifted. As I recall it was like the Tanking penalty for not tanking, it was for bringing the game into disrepute. Given the club still can't tell the players what they were injected with, that will stand.

Misleading thread title - makes it sound like it's fact rather than opinion.

It's all a beat up by vexed Essendon supporting journos. It was known at the time TB-4 was banned, under the "not approved for human use" clause. If they bothered to inquire, as they are required to by the WADA code they're signed up to, they would have been told "it's banned for use by athletes." It was banned then, banned while EFC used it, banned still to this day. There is nothing new in this except that ASADA eventually got around to listing the drug explicitly by name rather than category.

It's like saying murder wasn't listed as a crime on the Vic Police website until the day before they went to arrest me for that murder I did a few years back. I must be innocent then!

You'd have to wonder what Essendon was self-reporting for if there was no problem with the drug.

16 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's all a beat up by vexed Essendon supporting journos. It was known at the time TB-4 was banned, under the "not approved for human use" clause. If they bothered to inquire, as they are required to by the WADA code they're signed up to, they would have been told "it's banned for use by athletes." It was banned then, banned while EFC used it, banned still to this day. There is nothing new in this except that ASADA eventually got around to listing the drug explicitly by name rather than category.

It's like saying murder wasn't listed as a crime on the Vic Police website until the day before they went to arrest me for that murder I did a few years back. I must be innocent then!

You sure look innocent Mazer.

22 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

You sure look innocent Mazer.

Looks like I'll have to silence you too. (wait while I check the police website to see which crimes are not listed today)

1 hour ago, demonstone said:

Misleading thread title - makes it sound like it's fact rather than opinion.

Unfortunately yes, but I didn’t want to call a thread IMO Jobe Watson will get Brownlow back.

In my defence though that is how the first line of the thread started, IMO.

Edited October 16, 20196 yr by Redleg

1 hour ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Wasn't it deemed an illegal substance purely because it wasn't an approved substance?

Exactly - I seem to recall reading at the time it was a substance NOT approved for human use, and as such it was NOT legal for players to imbibe / ingest / inject.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

IMO, with the new material coming forward about ASADA not noting the drug as banned, until 4 months after the Bombers stopped using it, even though it was a WADA banned drug for years, the AFL will find a way to reinstate the Brownlow win of Jobe Watson.  This is the loophole needed to reverse the stripping of his win. 

The other 2 players who won the Brownlow in a tie as runners up, IMO, will also be allowed to keep theirs.

Yeah, nah.

Nothing has changed.

Hi

I'm a chemist 

I just invented a super drug that makes you fit and strong 4x times faster than steroids

No one has heard of it cos i just invented it

I havent tested it on humans but it should be sweet

Its definitely legal, wada havent listed it as illegal yet

 

???

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

IMO, with the new material coming forward about ASADA not noting the drug as banned, until 4 months after the Bombers stopped using it, even though it was a WADA banned drug for years

This is not factually correct.

It was listed, it just wasn't on their website. It's still up to the club and/or players to contact them before injecting themselves.

You've been sucked in by the headlines.

 

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

Hi

I'm a chemist 

I just invented a super drug that makes you fit and strong 4x times faster than steroids

No one has heard of it cos i just invented it

I havent tested it on humans but it should be sweet

Its definitely legal, wada havent listed it as illegal yet

 

???

That's basically the story of TB-4. Steroid-like effects, and no test (at that time) to see if someone's taken it. Perfect! Genius Dank thought if WADA haven't listed it by name, we're sweet. And ever since, all the nuffie supporters have run around saying "but no-one tested positive".

What makes you think Watson gave the medal back....last time I heard he "couldn't locate it".

 

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

This is not factually correct.

It was listed, it just wasn't on their website. It's still up to the club and/or players to contact them before injecting themselves.

You've been sucked in by the headlines.

 

I haven't been sucked in at all. Read my OP.

I am saying this is a way for the AFL to give Jobe back his Brownlow without losing face.

I am not going through the whole saga again.

26 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

What makes you think Watson gave the medal back....last time I heard he "couldn't locate it".

 

It is the record, not the little medallion that is important.

Anyone can find a lost medal in the street, it doesn't mean they were awarded it.