18 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Wait you'd rather a punt to draft a depth player at 26 than a punt to draft a best 22 player at 8?

If we get Dillon Stephens, I don't give a stuff! Watch his highlight package, fast, kicks great goals. Exactly what is needed

 

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Draftees aren't going to be a quick fix to anyones problems.

Langdon, Tomlinson and better luck with injuries improves us immensely for 2020.

This is better for the club.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Agreed, they're going all in

they might throw up some hail marys to try and land some guns from other clubs, if not i'd be grabbing Young and then one of Flanders or Ash at 8

Aish? No thank you.

Just now, 3Dee said:

Aish? No thank you.

Lachie Ash. 

last time we traded up in the top 10 we landed Clarry

that is all

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Why do we have no depth?

Because for years we’ve given up 2nd round picks:

- Vince

- Hibberd

- Melksham 

- Oliver/Weid trade ups

- Frost 

Our drafts have been all top picks and 3rd round or later from 2012-2016.

The last 2 years we’ve worked our way back in to the 2nd round but without first round picks. 

Apart from the fact that the first round pick could go belly up we’ve given up yet another 2nd round pick and the chance of building quality depth in the list. 

I think you are about to see that rectified

I reckon this is a brilliant move by the club and by tomorrow night will know if we use this years picks for a big name player or go to draft for some young talent.. Can't wait to see what happens here.

30 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’d rather have both, which we would probably have if we just patiently waited a year. Then our list is stronger.

Stronger list = stronger training on the track and in the gym, competition for spots that breeds a culture of competitiveness, not risking injured players etc etc.

 

Sometimes you have to go all in if you feel you have a very good hand and likely to get better DS.  The 'Club' can not afford another 2019ish year imv and a possible finals bounce by going all in might be the tonic we need.

A solid 2020 (playing finals) also boosts our potential stocks at getting in top up players via trade table as an improved destination club vs a compromised draft.

At the risk of my sanity I will attempt to put some sense into our drafting obligations instead of wild speculation.

We must draft 3 players, we cannot currently upgrade a rookie as one of those. As it currently stands, because of the rules an upgraded rookie would cost us pick 8.

We have to either split a pick or trade something/ someone in order to get a 3rd pick in the draft. If we trade say Stretch to a Club for say pick 88 then we could upgrade a rookie for that pick.

We could parcel up 3 and 8 for a player but would have to get picks as well from somewhere.

I believe the best course would be split 3 for two more first rounders and if that is what happens you can bet the deal was already done before the North Melb. deal.

Now I could be wrong in my interpretation but for clarity I've included the rules below.

At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections
(including selections forfeited under Rules 8.7, 10.11(a), 13.4(b),
14.4(d) and 15.8(b)); and
(B) no Club may exercise more than 3 Draft selections if the
consequence would be that it would exceed the number of Players
which it is entitled to include on its Primary List pursuant to these
Rules.

Primary List
A Club may apply to the AFL to transfer a Player or Players from its Rookie List
onto its Primary List:
(i) on the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to the
National Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 6.1 by lodging with the AFL
the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club
shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each
previous draft selection at the National AFL Draft Selection meeting.

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by dworship
Clarity

And some were saying we need to grow some balls as a club.

They dont get much bigger than this pair of whoppers

2 minutes ago, dworship said:

At the risk of my sanity I will attempt to put some sense into our drafting obligations instead of wild speculation.

We must draft 3 players, we cannot currently upgrade a rookie as one of those. As it currently stands, because of the rules an upgraded rookie would cost us pick 8.

We have to either split a pick or trade something/ someone in order to get a 3rd pick in the draft. If we trade say Stretch to a Club for say pick 88 then we could upgrade a rookie for that pick.

I believe the best course would be split 3 for two more first rounders and if that is what happens you can bet the deal was already done before the North Melb. deal.

Now I could be wrong in my interpretation but for clarity I've included the rules below.

At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections
(including selections forfeited under Rules 8.7, 10.11(a), 13.4(b),
14.4(d) and 15.8(b)); and
(B) no Club may exercise more than 3 Draft selections if the
consequence would be that it would exceed the number of Players
which it is entitled to include on its Primary List pursuant to these
Rules.

Primary List
A Club may apply to the AFL to transfer a Player or Players from its Rookie List
onto its Primary List:
(i) on the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to the
National Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 6.1 by lodging with the AFL
the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club
shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each
previous draft selection at the National AFL Draft Selection meeting.

I don't believe that's correct regarding pick 8 having to be a rookie upgrade. The draft is basically endless, until all clubs are done. At this point we have no 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks (I think that's right, but doesn't really matter), so if we need to make a 3rd pick it happens in a 5th round, be it rookie upgrade or new draftee. We may or may not be the only club left standing at that point, but until all clubs are finished drafting players, it just goes on and on.

5 minutes ago, ding said:

And some were saying we need to grow some balls as a club.

They dont get much bigger than this pair of whoppers

It isn't over by a long stretch, there has to be a part 2 to this

42 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

not for a first rounder...

With a split though?

41 minutes ago, Farmer said:

If we get Dillon Stephens, I don't give a stuff! Watch his highlight package, fast, kicks great goals. Exactly what is needed

 

 

Agree, kid is a [censored] jet and will be long gone before pick 8. I think we should split 3 for 6 and GWS 2020 first rounder. Stephens at 6, Weightman at 8

2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

With a split though?

are you suggesting our 8 for their second rounder and Gunston?

Maybe

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

With all your nous, you do understand that it is not  only Goodwin making the call on this one.

I am curious why you always bring it back to Goodwin saving his job, vs Goodwin looking at the bigger picture and being club first, which if pays off, also saves his job?

He/She/It is a troll don't feed it

Mahoney just said we will most likely use them in the draft unless someone comes to us with an amazing offer.

This is basically a punt on 2020....if we are [censored] again then Josh has marked his own ticket out the door!

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Likely to bring in one with Aish

Freo will take Jackson with their first pick

Just now, DeeZee said:

Mahoney just said we will most likely use them in the draft unless someone comes to us with an amazing offer.

Posturing

Just now, olisik said:

Agree, kid is a [censored] jet and will be long gone before pick 8. I think we should split 3 for 6 and GWS 2020 first rounder. Stephens at 6, Weightman at 8

Stephens is a must get IMO so i'm sort of for that but...

Serong is also ranked 3rd in the draft (according to draft central's latest power rankings...not saying that's correct but i assume they are in the know a little) vs Weightman @ 28.  Is Weightman that good a smokey vs Serong?

16 minutes ago, dworship said:

At the risk of my sanity I will attempt to put some sense into our drafting obligations instead of wild speculation.

We must draft 3 players, we cannot currently upgrade a rookie as one of those. As it currently stands, because of the rules an upgraded rookie would cost us pick 8.

 

They changed the rules a few years ago that allows a rookie upgrade to count as a selection. In 2016 we only took Mitch Hannan and Dion Johnstone and then upgraded Wagner to the senior list. As someone else as stated, rounds are infinite until all positions on the list are filled or clubs pass and choose to take more rookies. Think its the clubs choice of 40 senior and 4 rookies, 39 senior and 5 rookies, or 38 senior and 6 rookies.

At the moment we have picks 3 and 8. If need be will have a selection in the 6th round which starts in the 90's as it stands. This will most likely come into the high 60's/low 70's by the time clubs pass on selections and academy picks are used.

My best/Hopeful guess would be. 

1. Rowell

2. Anderson 

3. Dees -  Serong

4. Giants - Green 

5. Crows - Stephens 

6. Bombers - Flanders

7. Dockers - Jackson

8. Dees - Young

 

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Why do we have no depth?

Because for years we’ve given up 2nd round picks:

- Vince

- Hibberd

- Melksham 

- Oliver/Weid trade ups

- Frost 

Our drafts have been all top picks and 3rd round or later from 2012-2016.

The last 2 years we’ve worked our way back in to the 2nd round but without first round picks. 

Apart from the fact that the first round pick could go belly up we’ve given up yet another 2nd round pick and the chance of building quality depth in the list. 

I don't get this logic.

You'd rather us pick once in the first round and once in the second round, than twice in the first round, because you want "depth"?

We can create "depth" by bringing two top 10 kids onto our list.

16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

are you suggesting our 8 for their second rounder and Gunston?

Maybe

I'm retracting that option as i don't think the Hawks were ever letting Gunston go.  I just saw somewhere that Paton to the Hawks was somehow linked to a later round pick with us but that reference was for a previous swap or trade.  Thought it might have been part of a package to come but of course it doesn't work like that.  My misunderstanding.

Just playing devil's advocate here but what if we finish bottom next year?