Phantom Drafts

[Demons11 6,406]

29 minutes ago, MFC-11 said:

Kemp > Serong > Pickett > Weightman 

Not sure I agree with that.

serong is a gun!  If he is available at 8, it would be a steal. 

Edited November 14, 2019 by Demons11

[58er 5,700]

3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Thanks Buck.  Here's the podcast if anyone's interested (apologies if posted already in this thread)... 

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Mud2hvb3Noa2FhLmNvbS9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC9pZC80MDg3&episode=NTU2M2M2ZDYtNTBhMC00NzdlLWJmYzktM2Y3NDQ1ODI3NzQ3

Serong is certainly right up there in terms of inside mids (pushes forward at times as well).  Is there a place for another on our list i wonder?

NO but an outside mid like Stephens Yes Please 

[58er 5,700]

On 10/24/2019 at 3:03 AM, Wrecker45 said:

Welcome to the Melbourne football club. Petracca and May are fat as well.

Not any more look at the photos Pruess trim and taut also!!

[58er 5,700]

On 10/28/2019 at 6:35 PM, adonski said:

Dees don’t even have to bid, Crows and Syd will

Not correct if you want to make sure No guarantees but Sydney will prob bid!

[spirit of norm smith 13,574]

29 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Not sure I agree with that.

serong is a gun!  If he is available at 8, it would be a steal. 

Serong or Kemp at 8 are a steal. ( or Stephens or Flanders or Ash or Jackson ... in that order). One will drop and we should get Young plus another top quality youngster.  

[Lucifers Hero 37,511]

And to add more context to Twomey's selection of Weightmen at 8, it is because they were acting as recruiters and Sheehan had selected Jackson at 7, as a Freo recruiter so he was off the board for Twomey at 8.  He desperately wanted Jackson at 8.  And they didn't make any adjustment for matching bids on Academy players.  It was a bit of a game really; not really an expected draft order.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,021]

Are we expressing interest in Jackson with no intent of taking him so another club grabs him allowing others to slide to us?

[Gawndog98 306]

Here's how I think the draft will pan out.

The draft night trades i've got occurring due to teams getting in front of academy bids is:

Adelaide trade pick 4 to GWS for pick 6 + 2020 first round pick

Melbourne trade pick 8 to Freo for pick 10 + pick 22

 

1. GC - Matt Rowell 

2. GC - Noah Anderson

3. MELB - Hayden Young

4. GWS - Luke Jackson

5. GWS (Sydney bid) - Tom Green 

6. SYD - Sam Flanders

7. ADEL - Dylan Stephens

8. FREO - Devon Robertson 

9. FREO - Lachie Ash

10. FREO (Carlton bid) - Liam Henry

11. CARL - Brodie Kemp

12. MELB - Caleb Serong 

 

If Kysaiah Pickett is still there at our pick 22 we will snap him up, if not Elijah Taylor would be a nice alternative who has a ton of x-factor, reminds me a lot of Daniel Rioli. I'd also like to see us package up our 2020 fourth rounders to get into the third round of this years draft to take Ned Cahill, and then take Sam Lowson in the rookie draft. Suddenly we have Serong, Taylor, Cahill, Lowson all to fulfill our small forward/forwards role and then there is still room for Bedford, and Spargo to improve, our small forward stocks will be looking nice.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Gawndog98

[ben russell 764]

Knightmare’s educated guess today is that we take Jackson at 3 and either Young at 8 if he’s still there, otherwise Ash.

[Lord Travis 10,310]

3 hours ago, ben russell said:

Knightmare’s educated guess today is that we take Jackson at 3 and either Young at 8 if he’s still there, otherwise Ash.

Young won’t fall outside the top 5. It’s 3 or nothing.

Interesting how the latter part of the top 10 pans out. Could be some surprises there with proven players like Serong and Ash seemingly on the outer.

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

3 hours ago, Gawndog98 said:

11. CARL - Brodie Kemp

12. MELB - Caleb Serong 

 

 

That would hurt.

[Lucifers Hero 37,511]

Champion Data top Mock draft is:  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-mock-draft-2019-champion-data-rankings-pick-1-prospects-matt-rowell-tom-green-noah-anderson/news-story/e8b5be824b0695bda92ce6a7869dd570

• 1. MATTHEW ROWELL
• 2. THOMAS GREEN
• 3. NOAH ANDERSON
• 4. LUKE JACKSON
• 5. HAYDEN YOUNG
• 6. CALEB SERONG
• 7. SAM FLANDERS
• 8. LACHLAN ASH
• 9. DEVEN ROBERTSON
• 10. WILL GOULD

Interestingly, Green is ranked as 2nd best.  Surely, we must bid for him at 3?  Are we afraid GWS won't match? 

I see no risk in bidding for him - we either get one of the top 3 draftees (Green) or we select the player we would otherwise have chosen currently predicted to be Jackson. 

We must nail pick 3 and if Green is best available we go for him! 

[Demons11 6,406]

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Champion Data top Mock draft is:  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-mock-draft-2019-champion-data-rankings-pick-1-prospects-matt-rowell-tom-green-noah-anderson/news-story/e8b5be824b0695bda92ce6a7869dd570

• 1. MATTHEW ROWELL
• 2. THOMAS GREEN
• 3. NOAH ANDERSON
• 4. LUKE JACKSON
• 5. HAYDEN YOUNG
• 6. CALEB SERONG
• 7. SAM FLANDERS
• 8. LACHLAN ASH
• 9. DEVEN ROBERTSON
• 10. WILL GOULD

Interestingly, Green is ranked as 2nd best.  Surely, we must bid for him at 3?  Are we afraid GWS won't match? 

I see no risk in bidding for him - we either get one of the top 3 draftees (Green) or we select the player we would otherwise have chosen currently predicted to be Jackson. 

We must nail pick 3 and if Green is best available we go for him! 

We won’t get him even if we bid.  Champion data’s rankings are usually rubbish.  Caleb Daniel was ranked 1 from memory in his draft year 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Demons11

[Lucifers Hero 37,511]

7 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

We won’t get him even if we bid.  Champion data’s rankings are usually rubbish.  Caleb Daniel was ranked 1 from memory in his draft year 

Its a mock draft, no-one gets them right.

We should bid on Green even if we don't get him.  Let GWS sort out their draft points.  They played in the GF for goodness sake, they don't need anymore help to build their list.  Make them pay the going rate for Green.

[Demons11 6,406]

12 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Its a mock draft, no-one gets them right.

We should bid on Green even if we don't get him.  Let GWS sort out their draft points.  They played in the GF for goodness sake, they don't need anymore help to build their list.  Make them pay the going rate for Green.

I don’t disagree with bidding

[buck_nekkid 5,625]

Looking at this, its Anderson / Jackson and Ash

https://apple.news/Axx_5B9duSWm0TcaqRY4fRA

Champion Data makes interesting reading of the top 30.

[ben russell 764]

Knightmare has posted his phantom draft today.

Has us taking Jackson at 3 and Ash at 8.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/28095715/updated-afl-phantom-draft-first-three-rounds

Edited November 17, 2019 by ben russell

[drdrake 3,059]

So we take Jackson then wait for West Coast and Fremantle to come after him, face that same Jesse Hogan/ Tom Scully talk everytime he is out of contract.

Young is a player we need, footy smart and kicks the ball extremely well

[Demon3 2,541]

3 minutes ago, drdrake said:

So we take Jackson then wait for West Coast and Fremantle to come after him, face that same Jesse Hogan/ Tom Scully talk everytime he is out of contract.

Young is a player we need, footy smart and kicks the ball extremely well

This. Are we drafting for the future or are we drafting for now. Young plays R1 and impacts with great skills. Jackson might play R1 but history will say big blokes take a while.  Draft the kid who can kick, after all its is called football.

[The Stigga 974]

This has got 'Oliver' vibes written all over it.

 

i'd say we're 100% taking Jackson with pick 3.

 

High Risk, high Reward, we haven't won a flag in 54 years, I say go for it...

[blue and red in the head 95]

I'm no draft expert but surely we are not taking a Ruckman with our first pick. We have a top 2 Ruckman in gawn and a handy back up and a project ruckman.

We have holes everywhere but the ruck.

Trade 3 to Freo for 7 and 10 or just take young.

Young@3 and serong@8 best outcome 

[Redleg 38,430]

2 hours ago, blue and red in the head said:

I'm no draft expert but surely we are not taking a Ruckman with our first pick. We have a top 2 Ruckman in gawn and a handy back up and a project ruckman.

We have holes everywhere but the ruck.

Trade 3 to Freo for 7 and 10 or just take young.

Young@3 and serong@8 best outcome 

Can we just assume that if we take Jackson with what could be the first live pick, it is because we think he is special. Young is probably a safe pick, but Jackson is obviously seen as more than a ruckman. If he can play as a key forward as well, we have solved 2 areas in one pick. 

We get our 3rd key forward, who can also be Max’s eventual replacement. If Bradtke keeps developing he can hopefully also play forward and share the ruck with Jackson when Max is gone.

We can get another running defender or mid with 8 and that leaves small forwards as the last target.

I can’t believe we take Jackson unless we see a future star and if he is, we will have done well.

Personally I am not a recruiter and know very little of these guys, so as with Oliver, I trust Taylor to get it right with both picks under 10, as they are too valuable to get wrong.

A couple of guys however who know Jackson well, claim he will be a star. These big guys who can play are like diamonds, as proved by Essendon keeping an injured one, because they had no replacement. BTW I spoke to him last night and he is a nice guy.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Redleg

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

3 hours ago, The Stigga said:

This has got 'Oliver' vibes written all over it.

 

i'd say we're 100% taking Jackson with pick 3.

 

High Risk, high Reward, we haven't won a flag in 54 years, I say go for it...

And what position will he play?

We have a pretty good ruck already, and Jackson can not play forward.  He will be useless to us

[The Stigga 974]

19 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

And what position will he play?

We have a pretty good ruck already, and Jackson can not play forward.  He will be useless to us

I don't necessarily disagree with you, just smelling the winds...

 

[Damo 3,033]

There is no Lochie Whitfield in the top 3- 5. That would be great. We can do with another excellent outside Mid.

Tom Green is looking superb. But we have plenty of inside Mids.

Hadyn Young? Even if he was another Basher Houli its a lot to spend on HBF.

Luke Jackson? How many very good talls have we got from Centre to FWD? 2 - TMac and Gawny. It just makes sense to take Jackson even if Weid, Pruess and Bradtke come suddenly very good. Luke says he is ready to play Round one. His highlights are very good. Left and right foot, great groundskills and solid pack marks. 12 year player probably. I dont see whats not to like.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Damo