Lyon: Save $$ on Tomlinson, Go All ln on Whitfield

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We have to get this right, would take both in a heartbeat. 

If we have a good year in 2020, WF might want to come to us?

[TGR 1,304]

Let's abandoned the draft totally.  We only missed on Max King last year for a 28 year old.  We gave away 2 first rounders in a super draft the year before.

 

We have no rising star winners for ages.  Our 18-21 void will cost us in 4-5 years.

 

Goodwin is going all-in on short-termism.

[DeeSpencer 10,873]

Whitfield is a pre-agent this year. Do the Giants have the belief that they'll keep him to such an extent that they'll give up a really valuable pick (or picks) now? Are they in their window so much that it's worth the risk.

Gold Coast took the pick for May. Port took the picks for Wingard. Essendon might be about to take the picks for Daniher.

If you're GWS do you take pick 2 (or a combination of pick 10 and a future first) now rather than pick 12-18 next year?

If there's a year to go after Whitfield then it might be right now. 

As for Tomlinson - sign him up if he's good value and it won't hurt our cap long term. If we are paying overs for Tomlinson then it's not a good idea regardless of future trade targets.

Paying overs for limited players is bad cap management and deserves to be questioned.

 

[TeamPlayedFine39 5,505]

Wanna save money on a free agent?  Win games.

Free agents have shown over and over again that they'll take less money in exchange for success.

 

 

[Sorry kids 634]

10 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Interesting. I can see it both ways. The MFC have to become more bold with recruitment. 

This is why years ago I said many times, we should have taken Luke Ball in the draft when he was there. Yes I know he only wanted the Club next door, but we have to grow the nads. 

Tomlinson or Whitfield 

Big difference Big Risk

Agree on Luke Ball

[Sir Why You Little 18,145]

54 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Agree on Luke Ball

So tired of seeing this great club get bent over. 

That one really hurt

[Meggs 133]

24 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So tired of seeing this great club get bent over. 

That one really hurt

SWYL I vividly remember Chris C telling a crowded room of Demon faithful moments ahead of the draft night in November 2009 that Melbourne was not drafting Luke Ball and the collective applause was palpable.  He then talked us through the draft picks ‘live’ and explained how delighted the recruiting team would be as they successfully jagged each of their targeted players.  None us really knew at the time whether we’d chosen well but we walked away upbeat and hopeful. As we know only Big Max worked out well...back on topic, we probably have no chance jagging Whitfield but gee he would be an absolute gem at the Dees.

Edited September 18 by Meggs

[Sir Why You Little 18,145]

11 minutes ago, Meggs said:

SWYL I vividly remember Chris C telling a crowded room of Demon faithful moments ahead of the draft night in November 2009 that Melbourne was not drafting Luke Ball and the collective applause was palpable.  He then talked us through the draft picks ‘live’ and explained how delighted the recruiting team would be as they successfully jagged each of their targeted players.  None us really knew at the time whether we’d chosen well but we walked away upbeat and hopeful. As we know only Big Max worked out well...back on topic, we probably have no chance jagging Whitfield but gee he would be an absolute gem at the Dees.

Yes I could imagine that Meggs. Some BS excuse, meanwhile we became more irrelevant.....

I am very happy the Club dropped the Darwin game. 

Baby steps...

[spirit of norm smith 3,605]

The Lyon King should be seen and not heard

[Demonland 16,454]

Looks good in a Dees jumper.

[Superunknown 467]

12 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Looks good in a Dees jumper.

The look on the face betrays him : "WTF have I done!? Waiter? Waiter? S'il Vous Plait? I need an escape plan to Centre Table STAT"

[demoniac 961]

On 9/18/2019 at 11:52 AM, BigMacjnr said:

This type of thinking shows how the AFL is lagging behind other codes. In the NBA for example team management is about talent acquisition and building assets which can be later traded for improving the roster (list). Why not pick up Tomlinson, at worst he can be traded next year for another asset and if we have a top tier free agent want to join us next year. The old buy low and sell high. 

In the NBA a team can trade a contracted player to a destination of the team's choice. If we pick up Tomlinson with intention of trading him next year he would have to agree to the trade.

[A F 10,329]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Looks good in a Dees jumper.

Everyone does. Best jumper in the league. But I'm slightly biased.

[BigMacjnr 94]

 

1 hour ago, demoniac said:

In the NBA a team can trade a contracted player to a destination of the team's choice. If we pick up Tomlinson with intention of trading him next year he would have to agree to the trade.

Not saying we would pick him up to trade him after a year. My point was about asset accumulation. Don’t refuse a sure thing now for a speculative asset in the future. Especially when the AFL alters the CBA to allow this. 

AFLPA and AFL are looking at renewing the CBA with possible inclusions of: reducing the free agency age, increasing initial contract length to 3 years draftees (possibly only earlier rounds) and enabling trading of players who are earning more than ~500k without their consent. 

Don’t have the link to the article I saw on this but remember seeing it earlier this year. 

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18 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Wanna save money on a free agent?  Win games.

Free agents have shown over and over again that they'll take less money in exchange for success.

 

 

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On 9/18/2019 at 9:08 AM, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

100% agree. You can't be making decisions on the hope someone comes to you.

That's just poor management. 

If it gets to next season and he's available and wants to come to us, then we look at ways to do it. That may involve trading out someone like Brayshaw to free up cap space, but you need to make decisions for the here and now.

 

[TeamPlayedFine39 5,505]

On 9/18/2019 at 1:30 PM, TGR said:

Let's abandoned the draft totally.  We only missed on Max King last year for a 28 year old.  We gave away 2 first rounders in a super draft the year before.

 

We have no rising star winners for ages.  Our 18-21 void will cost us in 4-5 years.

 

Goodwin is going all-in on short-termism.

Super Draft?? 2017- that’s a stretch.

We only gave away one first round pick in that draft too- pick 10.  Pick 10-15 that year were O’Brien, Bonar, Fogarty, Brander, Ling and Bailey.  Superdraft???

[TGR 1,304]

8 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Super Draft?? 2017- that’s a stretch.

We only gave away one first round pick in that draft too- pick 10.  Pick 10-15 that year were O’Brien, Bonar, Fogarty, Brander, Ling and Bailey.  Superdraft???

We haven't seen the best of Fogarty yet.  His output will exceed Hogan's, if there is 10/1 around the place.

[TeamPlayedFine39 5,505]

2 hours ago, TGR said:

We haven't seen the best of Fogarty yet.  His output will exceed Hogan's, if there is 10/1 around the place.

I’m happy with Lever over Fogarty.

Lever was 21 when we traded for him, hardly ‘short-termism’.

 

[Demonsone 928]

Josh Kelly & Ollie Wines... we are a joke not picking them! 

Toumpas, Tyson.. looks great hey 

Salem is ok 

[chookrat 2,154]

I'm not sold on Lachie Whitfield. Went missing big time v Collingwood today. 

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1 hour ago, chookrat said:

I'm not sold on Lachie Whitfield. Went missing big time v Collingwood today. 

Yep and all because he had a sore tummy. Harden the puck up Lachie!

[A F 10,329]

Whitfield is the sort of hard runner and good user that enables you to win lots of games throughout the season, but I'm not convinced he's built for the big stuff. Tomlinson on the other hand is a lot cheaper and will play a role all year round (finals included).

[dazzledavey36 19,216]

18 minutes ago, A F said:

Whitfield is the sort of hard runner and good user that enables you to win lots of games throughout the season, but I'm not convinced he's built for the big stuff. Tomlinson on the other hand is a lot cheaper and will play a role all year round (finals included).

Tomlinson did the job today and played hos role.