A Collingwood mate of mine who is a good footy coach in his own right reckons Murray would be a great pick up for us, and could eventually take over Jettas role but give us extra run and speed off half back.

Definitely would be best 22 .

On 11/4/2019 at 10:21 AM, hardtack said:

I'm having a little trouble understanding where the talk of Murray's poor ball usage is coming from.  A very quick search uncovers the following (http://aflnswact.com.au/sam-murray-rising-star/):

"Murray excelled following a move to the backline in 2017 displaying excellent kicking skills, earning him a place in the 2017 NEAFL Team of the Year after averaging 22 possessions, six score involvements, six intercept possessions and 3.5 inside 50s."

"Earning a call up to Collingwood’s senior side after a strong pre-season, Murray has proven to be a dangerous ball magnet averaging 20 possessions across his three games with Collingwood and gathering 21 disposals with an 81 per cent disposal efficiency in his sides’ 24-point win over Carlton at the MCG."

Sure his clanger "score" is pretty high, but that's not overly surprising considering he had just 13 games at the Pies; that is likely to lessen as he gains more experience.  And, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure the clanger count is not solely related to disposals.

This.

I've been thinking I missed some big reveal along the way and didn't wanna look like an idiot.

He might not be Adem Yze, but he's certainly not as bad a kick as this thread is making him sound.

Has genuine acceleration, high top pace and agility. Kicking is not horrible.

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Has genuine acceleration, high top pace and agility. Kicking is not horrible.

As usual a left  foot kick will always be better looking (and therefore easier to see trajectory and flight ) so he can still work on disposal etc. as all our players should to improve.

Sometimes he should be between wing and half forward which is a bonus on some forays out of the backline which are either slowly deliberate (necessary when we change gears in a game) or just poor disposals and panic handball to another defender and have turnover written all over the footy.

Pace is our bugbear and movement also so let's let him loose and see if they can chase him down!

A mini Frosty playing Muzza Ball sometimes but exciting also in our defence team.

For those crying about Frosts departure,  he looks like he would provide safer heart in mouth bursts from the back line but with a better footy brain judging by the fact that he at leasts knows to punch the ball towards the boundary not into the oppositions arms in front of goal. Agree he seems to have had a very harsh knock on his kicking. Swans were desperate to keep him. Won't cost a pick and won't cost much $ and brings much needed pace. Give him a one year contract. Another minimum cost risk with potentially strong upside. Bring it on.

Edited November 5, 20195 yr by It's Time

his kicking did not look that bad from the highlights i have seen. I like the dash he provides when he has the ball. that is something we sorely miss. too often melbourne players stop and look sideways and even backwards instead of charging forward. I think he is a pretty good player now who will now be a lot more hungry for a chance to play again.

he does not cost a draft pick, we are crackers if we dont have a serious shot at getting this guy.

Can't complain if he comes for free.  At best he can slot into our best 22, at worst he is handy depth.

Happy to support this. I like his intensity and you'd expect him to improve over the next few years. Off field, I don't like his dress sense but having said that I can't look away either!

On 11/4/2019 at 11:26 AM, Yung Blood said:

Yep agree with all of the above. Also seems a super tough competitor. Definitely reminds me of Hibberd. He's got the aggression and attack on the ball with a bit of dash and confidence when he wins it. Would be another great signing.

Langdon, Tomlinson, Murray, Bennell and picks 3 and 8. Gave up very little in return for quality and potential.

Starting to look like more then a solid off season of recruiting.

I agree (not even considering his coming off a drug ban?).  Frost-like dash with a better footy brain. 

On 11/5/2019 at 3:34 PM, It's Time said:

For those crying about Frosts departure,  he looks like he would provide safer heart in mouth bursts from the back line but with a better footy brain judging by the fact that he at leasts knows to punch the ball towards the boundary not into the oppositions arms in front of goal. Agree he seems to have had a very harsh knock on his kicking. Swans were desperate to keep him. Won't cost a pick and won't cost much $ and brings much needed pace. Give him a one year contract. Another minimum cost risk with potentially strong upside. Bring it on.

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SMS exchange with CFC mate:

Sam Murray?

Sam Murray is fun. 

Like for a night on the town?

Like wild line-breaking speed from half-back beating five players before kicking out on the full. 

(Checks that 'Sam Murray' wasn't auto-corrected to Sam Frost). 

 

3 hours ago, Skuit said:

SMS exchange with CFC mate:

Sam Murray?

Sam Murray is fun. 

Like for a night on the town?

Like wild line-breaking speed from half-back beating five players before kicking out on the full. 

(Checks that 'Sam Murray' wasn't auto-corrected to Sam Frost). 

 

Murray-ball!!!! Yay!

11 hours ago, monoccular said:

I agree (not even considering his coming off a drug ban?).  Frost-like dash with a better footy brain. 

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He started his career at Sydney and was traded to Collingwood

Sorry I’m only just catching up. I know foof all about Sam Murray but 18 months for having cocaine in his system? Really? Since when does the AFL actually fair dinkumly give a rats about recreational drug use? Kid has been majorly ripped off

3 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

Sorry I’m only just catching up. I know foof all about Sam Murray but 18 months for having cocaine in his system? Really? Since when does the AFL actually fair dinkumly give a rats about recreational drug use? Kid has been majorly ripped off

He tested positive on game-day so it was classified as doping. I don’t mind potshots at the AFL but the decision had nothing to do with them. 

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

40 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He tested positive on game-day so it was classified as doping. I don’t mind potshots at the AFL but the decision had nothing to do with them. 

Still reckon the kid was ripped off. I know nothing about the Sam but I’m guessing he wasn’t trying to gain an advantage. Only difference between him and a multitude of other AFL players is the timing. 
Fair to say I won’t be holding his 18 month ban against him

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by FarNorthernD

 

1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

Still reckon the kid was ripped off. I know nothing about the Sam but I’m guessing he wasn’t trying to gain an advantage. Only difference between him and a multitude of other AFL players is the timing. 
Fair to say I won’t be holding his 18 month ban against him

Correct.

WADA is changing the penalty for recreational drugs in system on game day and it will become 1-3 months.  " Under the proposed change, athletes with drugs such as cocaine in their system would serve a flat three-month ban, without the need for an expensive hearing, but could cut that back to one month if they submitted to a drug rehabilitation program".WADA Penalty Change

The punishment will now better fit the crime, imv.

The WADA change is too late for Murray.  Deserves another chance.

Edited November 7, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Have we cooled on Murray or just taking our time?

The first DFA window closes on Monday and I'm getting a bit impatient waiting for something to happen.

8 minutes ago, JTR said:

Have we cooled on Murray or just taking our time?

The first DFA window closes on Monday and I'm getting a bit impatient waiting for something to happen.

Seems more likely we'd take him as a rookie, which I assume means we have to take him in the rookie draft? Not sure how that works with DFAs.

 

2 hours ago, JTR said:

Have we cooled on Murray or just taking our time?

The first DFA window closes on Monday and I'm getting a bit impatient waiting for something to happen.

I've rung the club and told them to hurry up for you.

Unless another club announces it has him, he may just be deciding on an offer from us or another club.

I don't think he will risk going as a rookie to any club and then having to get on a senior list.

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I don't think he will risk going as a rookie to any club and then having to get on a senior list.

Why? Rookies don't need to be elevated to play anymore. Has just as much chance of playing senior games either way.

Edited November 8, 20195 yr by Lord Nev

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Why? Rookies don't need to be elevated to play anymore. Has just as much chance of playing senior games either way.

But any club can take him. He will want to know where he is playing. May not want to go interstate, to be a rookie.

21 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But any club can take him. He will want to know where he is playing. May not want to go interstate, to be a rookie.

I wouldn't think he'd want to go into the rookie draft where Gold Coast may well take him. They really need players with a few years experience and he definitely has stuff to offer. If not them we could get him with the next pick. Although he's missed a season I don't think there's a risk with him like there is with Bennell where no one including him knows if his body is going to be ok. Does anyone know how many players you can pick up in the SSD. Could we get Bennell and Murray. What a win if we can. Both minimum cost with great potential reward. 

53 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But any club can take him. He will want to know where he is playing. May not want to go interstate, to be a rookie.

 

28 minutes ago, It's Time said:

I wouldn't think he'd want to go into the rookie draft where Gold Coast may well take him. They really need players with a few years experience and he definitely has stuff to offer. If not them we could get him with the next pick. Although he's missed a season I don't think there's a risk with him like there is with Bennell where no one including him knows if his body is going to be ok. Does anyone know how many players you can pick up in the SSD. Could we get Bennell and Murray. What a win if we can. Both minimum cost with great potential reward. 

Reckon it's pretty rare for that to happen in the rookie draft, only speaking anecdotally though. We see teams re-draft their delisted players as rookies pretty much on a yearly basis, so IMO it's very unlikely he gets randomly taken by a team he hasn't expressed any interest in.

1 hour ago, It's Time said:

I wouldn't think he'd want to go into the rookie draft where Gold Coast may well take him. They really need players with a few years experience and he definitely has stuff to offer. If not them we could get him with the next pick. Although he's missed a season I don't think there's a risk with him like there is with Bennell where no one including him knows if his body is going to be ok. Does anyone know how many players you can pick up in the SSD. Could we get Bennell and Murray. What a win if we can. Both minimum cost with great potential reward. 

We added (at different times) both Jay Lockhart and Corey Wagner last year and the Saints added Jono Marsh and Sam Rowe.

If we've got the list spots and taken the mandatory 3 picks in the draft then I can't see why we couldn't add both.

Not convinced either is a great pick up, one might never play again and the other might be no good, but yes we can get both.

The supplemental selection period is the likely time frame for Murray and any other delisted free agents. They are unlikely to get picked up in the National draft - regardless if they nominate or not and can then withdraw their nomination for the rookie draft and sign with their club of choice after it. That's what Corey Wagner did last year.

Does anyone else see anything peculiar about the DFA dates below?

Delisted free agency windows

Friday November 1 - Monday November 11

Wednesday November 13 - 5pm Friday November 22