Farewell Sam Frost

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

Just now, whatwhatsaywhat said:

and $650k saved in salary

I highly doubt Hawthorn would be that stupid to pay him that much

[Young Blood 2,574]

4 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Very disappointing on both a rational and emotional level.

A failure of the coach and footy department.

So many reasons he should have been retained.  

Failure because the coaching department couldn't fix his greatest liability being his disposal and decision making? Or just for letting him go?

I assume both maybe.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Yung Blood

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

1 minute ago, Clintosaurus said:

Future second for Langdon hopefully.

aye, correct weight sir!

[Mach5 4,767]

1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This will give me great comfort when O. McDonald has five goals on him at half time on Ben Brown and May and Lever are sitting on the sidelines.

 

Please.

Don't attempt to rewrite history; Frost has all the athleticism to be great, but certainly never has been.
 

[roy11 3,829]

will miss frosty, truly a maverick of the modern game.

 

Now to remove his name from my bio

[Nasher 33,607]

If the future second rounder goes to Freo for Langdon it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a great result.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

4 minutes ago, praha said:

Surely you jest?

Not at all. Before this season Frost was depth. He only played this year due to injuries. You dont give out big and/orlong term deals to depth players and when you trade them for 2nd round picks its a win. We are about to trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who has finished top 5 in his clubs B&F the last 2 seasons.

 

 

[TGR 1,367]

3 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Big loss for us.

If May and Lever can't get on the park again this year and O. McDonald becomes our main key defender then it will be a disaster.

Lever (and May) have cost us big time.  2 first rounders, King (GC) and Frost; and an chest full of $$.  Geelong worked Lever out in his first game for memory, by getting a first gamer to isolate him one-on-one.

 

I don't hope Frost sticks it up us; he will stick it up us.  Clarko is an absolute genius.  He is getting a robust guy, entering his prime, with elite speed that can pinch hit ruck, WING and to a lesser extent forward....for what...a late 2nd round draft pick next year?  Hawks make the 8 next year comfortably.  Frost and September are made for each other.

I will be looking at twitter when Goody gets the RRRs in the next year or 2.  Frosty might have a Maloney type message for him.  Gave supreme effort.  Provided solitary speed.  Was a bonefide top 5 player this year....who just managed to double Jordan Lewis' voting in the B&F.

 

pTGR

[Satyriconhome 10,687]

4 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Very disappointing on both a rational and emotional level.

A failure of the coach and footy department.

So many reasons he should have been retained.  

And the reasons are?

We had posters wringing more than their hands over Frostball for last couple of years, now he is an indispensable   this forum is just so amusing

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This will give me great comfort when O. McDonald has five goals on him at half time on Ben Brown and May and Lever are sitting on the sidelines.

 

Brown is kicking that regardless on Oscar or Frost - he is simply not a lockdown defender

[TheoX 1,222]

Nice work Mahoney, now to give JKH a 10 year deal. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

15 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Deal Done

Frost& 42 & 61 future 4th

50 and Future 2nd.

Basically a second round pick for a depth player.

Big win for Mahoney

 

Points aside are we actually getting anything?

• 50 is a small upgrade on 61
• Don't put much practical value on our future 4th
• Hawks future 2nd (35-45 range after next years F/S amd academy players) roughly equal to/small upgrade/downgrade on our current 42.

Not unhappy with the trade but can't help but feel we gave him away.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demons11 6,906]

Bloody good deal for us.  

Frost is very easy to cover.

[Clintosaurus 7,831]

We will always have Frosty's torp from the Hawthorn final last year.

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If the future second rounder goes to Freo for Langdon it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a great result.

That doesn't mean we couldn't have got more value from this trade though. It's not worked out as Frost for Langdon.

Points wise (I know, I know) we've given Frost away for pick 50 (based on estimated draft order for 2020).

 

[reynolds46 1,231]

Doesn't seem a good deal but looks like we wanted to get rid of him no matter what. 

[TGR 1,367]

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

And the reasons are?

We had posters wringing more than their hands over Frostball for last couple of years, now he is an indispensable   this forum is just so amusing

Depends how selective your reading is.  Some of us stuck fat with Frost and ignored the tide of consensus.

I must admit though, pretty tough to ignore his supreme effort and speed in 2019.  You probably think Nick Riewoldt's view on him versus Lever and May was amusing also.

But we are the MFC.  We pin our hopes on one (Barassi, Watts, Flower, Scully); and we are also great at anointing a scapegoat for all our ills too.  Last year it was Watts.  This year Frost.

[TRIGON 4,783]

3 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If the future second rounder goes to Freo for Langdon it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a great result.

I'm not as 'down' as Frosty as some on this site, whilst acknowledging their concerns about his flaws, however @Nasher is right; a great result if this trade converts into Langdon.

[Adam The God 30,112]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If the future second rounder goes to Freo for Langdon it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a great result.

No, no, no. We've lost a saviour.

Cannot quite believe how many posters I respect on this thread that are absolutely [censored] on their football knowledge by lamenting this result.

Edited October 11, 2019 by A F

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

That doesn't mean we couldn't have got more value from this trade though. It's not worked out as Frost for Langdon.

Points wise (I know, I know) we've given Frost away for pick 50 (based on estimated draft order for 2020).

A lot worse than 50 when factoring in about 15-20 1st and 2nd round Father/son Academy picks next year.  That is why it looks to me we have given him away.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Nasher 33,607]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

That doesn't mean we couldn't have got more value from this trade though. It's not worked out as Frost for Langdon.

Points wise (I know, I know) we've given Frost away for pick 50 (based on estimated draft order for 2020).

 

With only one buyer and an apparent driver to move him on, I think we were in a position where we had to take what we could get. Probably lucky we had a pragmatic trading partner and not someone like Bellend or Dododo.

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

Points aside are we actually getting anything?

• 50 is roughly equal to 61 and our future 4th
• Hawks future 2nd (35-45 range after next years F/S amd academy players) roughly equal to our current 42.

Not unhappy with the trade but can't help but feel we gave him away.

 

 

If you use the calculator and overlay with this years results for future picks then we're essentially getting a 3rd rounder for Frost.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

6 minutes ago, TGR said:

Lever (and May) have cost us big time.  2 first rounders, King (GC) and Frost; and an chest full of $$.  Geelong worked Lever out in his first game for memory, by getting a first gamer to isolate him one-on-one.

 

I don't hope Frost sticks it up us; he will stick it up us.  Clarko is an absolute genius.  He is getting a robust guy, entering his prime, with elite speed that can pinch hit ruck, WING and to a lesser extent forward....for what...a late 2nd round draft pick next year?  Hawks make the 8 next year comfortably.  Frost and September are made for each other.

I will be looking at twitter when Goody gets the RRRs in the next year or 2.  Frosty might have a Maloney type message for him.  Gave supreme effort.  Provided solitary speed.  Was a bonefide top 5 player this year....who just managed to double Jordan Lewis' voting in the B&F.

 

pTGR

He'll be gone by the bye next year.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Nasher said:

With only one buyer and an apparent driver to move him on, I think we were in a position where we had to take what we could get. Probably lucky we had a pragmatic trading partner and not someone like Bellend or Dododo.

Fair enough mate, can agree with that logic, I'm holding fire for the Langdon deal, but just disappointed we didn't squeeze out more value from him.

[TRIGON 4,783]

 

1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He'll be gone by the bye next year.

He will be gone by the bye or just gone bye bye?