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Farewell Sam Frost

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4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

There is no way of truly knowing either way whether he has or hasn't peaked AF.  Whether he's at the MFC or elsewhere, only time will tell.

He isn't a turnover king at all AF.  He had 21 players ahead of him this season.  Does he leave his man behind and the opp score either directly through his opponent or by having a spare up forward when he does turn it over up the field with a few caught out in offensive positions?  Seems likely eh. 

Unfortunately few others down back capable of escaping their opponents much of the time, which probably means they also aren't capable of running in support once he gets on one of his Frostball runs.  Is that lack of run / support more to do with a coaching game style (team rules) issue / or more a confidence / belief thing i wonder?  Or maybe personnel related...just don't have the leg speed in general?

That would mean an adjustment to ensure he finds a target by hand or foot much earlier into his manic runs or a few others need to run in support maybe (or if we don't have them we need to recruit a few in)?  Can't be that hard to fix surely.

Clearly it is, because he still makes stupid errors that a 26 year old shouldn't be making. 

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    8 hours ago, A F said:

    Clearly it is, because he still makes stupid errors that a 26 year old shouldn't be making. 

    Even the champs make occasional stupid errors AF.   Might be a late bloomer being so tall and a bit unco early.  Not saying he''s a champ or must keep player but certainly better than some further down the list that i would move on before him.

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    13 hours ago, Demons11 said:

    Again useless stats.  Surely the fact he is equal with O Mac tells you that.  

    I would also argue most players would take on more difficult kicks and this is what impacts their %.  Frost and O Mac both butcher 20m passes.

    That is total rubbish.or at least part of it is. Omac is our most reliable kick in our backline

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    36 minutes ago, binman said:

    That is total rubbish.or at least part of it is. Omac is our most reliable kick in our backline

    I’d argue Jetta over him, with O Mac ahead of May

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    Omcd.  Gets beaten man on man. Slow.  Poor decision maker.  Most reliable kick ?  I’m must have been watching another player. Though he is good at 15 metre mini chips that only add to slow down play. 

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    1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    I’d argue Jetta over him, with O Mac ahead of May

    Yep, not a bad argument. But i reckon over 50 metres Omac has Jetts covered. 

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    A few whispers around suggesting Frost may have re-signed and announcement pending soonish.

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    6 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

    A few whispers around suggesting Frost may have re-signed and announcement pending soonish.

    I've been hearing it too. But haven't heard from anyone credible yet. If we're not getting Elliot, I imagine that's the only reason we hadn't signed him until now.

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    1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

    A few whispers around suggesting Frost may have re-signed and announcement pending soonish.

    Good I hope it’s true.

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    3 hours ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I've been hearing it too. But haven't heard from anyone credible yet. If we're not getting Elliot, I imagine that's the only reason we hadn't signed him until now.

    Surely whatever we're paying Frost isn't the difference between us trying to land Elliott...

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    5 minutes ago, A F said:

    Surely whatever we're paying Frost isn't the difference between us trying to land Elliott...

    I have heard this is 100% correct.  We needed cap space to land Elliot and I dare say if he has stayed at the Pies, then we can afford to keep Frost. 

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    6 minutes ago, A F said:

    Surely whatever we're paying Frost isn't the difference between us trying to land Elliott...

    Probably meant we offered more money to Frost. The rumours of Collingwood upping their offer to Elliot and Frost re-signing are too close together to not be a coincidence. I don't know for certain, but that's my gut feel.

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    1 hour ago, AshleyH30 said:

    Probably meant we offered more money to Frost. The rumours of Collingwood upping their offer to Elliot and Frost re-signing are too close together to not be a coincidence. I don't know for certain, but that's my gut feel.

    I hope the whispers are correct, frostball played some very exciting footy over the last couple of years and it would be a shame to let him slip through our fingers. We have no one that could man him up...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    If I had a decisions to choose between Frost and Elliot then i am choosing Elliot, daylight then Frost.

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    18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    If I had a decisions to choose between Frost and Elliot then i am choosing Elliot, daylight then Frost.

    Wouod Keath choosing dogs be another factor? Or is it simply cap space?

    Edited by Unleash Hell

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    5 hours ago, Demons11 said:

    I have heard this is 100% correct.  We needed cap space to land Elliot and I dare say if he has stayed at the Pies, then we can afford to keep Frost. 

    If we needed cap space to get Elliott, why would we resign ANB and J. Wagner, who are not best 30 at MFC?

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    44 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    If we needed cap space to get Elliott, why would we resign ANB and J. Wagner, who are not best 30 at MFC?

    Some serious questions needs to be asked on how the hell that a team finishing 2nd last is bursting at the salary cap??

    That you have [censored] fart deals to blokes like Josh Wagner and Alex Neal Bullen for 2 years!? 

    Is this Mahoney again doing all this??

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    14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    If we needed cap space to get Elliott, why would we resign ANB and J. Wagner, who are not best 30 at MFC?

    Because they would be on base wages and you would still have to replace them. 

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    7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Some serious questions needs to be asked on how the he'll that a team finishing 2nd last is bursting at the salary cap??

    That you have [censored] fart deals to blokes like Josh Wagner and Alex Neal Bullen for 2 years!? 

    Is this Mahoney again doing all this??

    Because it’s the same team that made the prelim the year before.  So we had a poor year, let’s cut wages! 

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    14 hours ago, Demons11 said:

    I have heard this is 100% correct.  We needed cap space to land Elliot and I dare say if he has stayed at the Pies, then we can afford to keep Frost. 

    Not true at this stage, probably not at all.

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    10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Some serious questions needs to be asked on how the hell that a team finishing 2nd last is bursting at the salary cap??

    That you have [censored] fart deals to blokes like Josh Wagner and Alex Neal Bullen for 2 years!? 

    Is this Mahoney again doing all this??

    This is what some of us have been banging on about for years. Our List Management & TPP is a farce. How lucrative it has been to be a good ordinary B or C Grader at the Dees over the years.  Also hasn’t helped overpaying so much for a bloody 3rd tall defender with ACL history. 

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    10 hours ago, Demons11 said:

    Because they would be on base wages and you would still have to replace them. 

    You’ve got no idea if you think ANB is on Base Payments. 

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    18 hours ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I've been hearing it too. But haven't heard from anyone credible yet. If we're not getting Elliot, I imagine that's the only reason we hadn't signed him until now.

    You’ve heard it from Ethan?  :) 

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