35 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

But our according to you our facilities are relatively poor - relative to what? Make up your mind.

That would have been, I am not interested in what facilities other Clubs have. Pathetic.

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t think it is rubbish at all. 

That is how bad 2019 was. How can you look at it any differently. We still don’t really know how well Goodwin can Coach. 

Fagan or Goodwin...?

We can't look at it any differently coz you [censored] mention it in every thread

Elliott was available, maybe, we asked he said no, different answer from Tomlinson and Langdon

Same people complaining we missed out would have been complaining had we signed him "overpaid" "injury prone" "Collingwood cast-off" etc etc

It's the nature of the beast, some people just love to complain and this website is evidence of the adage misery loves company. Doesn't matter what happens, whatever happens is evidence of the failure/incompetence of the club

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, rufus said:

Difference is that there's a general expectation to compete at those clubs. Competitive people often like to be in competitive environments.

The players efforts of 2019 have resigned us to having to build again through the draft (that outcome may not actually be the worst thing). Hopefully we can uncover a couple of people with the kind of drive to compete and show linear type improvement through to their late 20's (and maybe become the second person at MFC to do that since Jones started).

So you see us as a lowly club again next year?

"Resigning us to rebuilding again through the draft" is pure MFCSS and totally not what some commentators are saying about us in 2020

Interesting how we each approach these things.

I see us not as rebuilding, more acknowledging our deficiencies through some trades and pick 3 (or 2 x split picks). With a relatively injury free preseason and a fit list, some added outside skill and a favourable fixture, I expect us to be finalists in 2020.

Yes, we had a very poor 2019, for a variety of reasons. We also had 3 years of improvement before that and reached a preliminary final. We can focus only on the negatives or we can look to improve our list and FD and move on. Doesn't make me a happy-clappy or a wrist slasher. As with most things, the answer lies somewhere between.

3 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

It is not an absolute, he would be very familiar with our facilities, why would he downgrade? 

 

20 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

That would have been, I am not interested in what facilities other Clubs have. Pathetic.

But according to you Elliott would have been downgrading. Downgrading from something you have no interest in apparently.

You seem to find it impossible to sustain an idea from post to post.

1 minute ago, Fifty-5 said:

 

But according to you Elliott would have been downgrading. Downgrading from something you have no interest in apparently.

You seem to find it impossible to sustain an idea from post to post.

On ignore. Finish your dinner, Go back to your homework.

26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Same people complaining we missed out would have been complaining had we signed him "overpaid" "injury prone" "Collingwood cast-off" etc etc

It's the nature of the beast, some people just love to complain and this website is evidence of the adage misery loves company. Doesn't matter what happens, whatever happens is evidence of the failure/incompetence of the club.

One day, maybe, we'll win a premiership and people will complain that the cup isn't shiny enough. Welcome to Demonland. 

4 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

That's rubbish SWYL and you know it

It is rubbish, but he doesn't know it.

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You can hope that. I think certain players have done exactly that. We were lucky to 5 games, could have easily been 2 games for the year, plus we lost the last 7 coming home. There was no improvement after the bye. 

There is no way Player Managers are going to be pushing The MFC as a good destination. It is a great prospect for Assistant Coaches, as a challenge, but i don’t think players would view it that way, not this year. We (the Club) did cause damage this year, there will be ramifications because of it. 

It will be a tough 10 days trading for us

Other Clubs just buy up, we are right down the pecking order this year

I hear you SWYL, but it doesn't mean that a decision is based on one year?

That would be churlish

1 hour ago, rufus said:

Difference is that there's a general expectation to compete at those clubs. Competitive people often like to be in competitive environments.

The players efforts of 2019 have resigned us to having to build again through the draft (that outcome may not actually be the worst thing). Hopefully we can uncover a couple of people with the kind of drive to compete and show linear type improvement through to their late 20's (and maybe become the second person at MFC to do that since Jones started).

Fair dinkum I'm just about over this site. Are you being serious. The blues and the saints are competitive environments? Based on what?

That both sacked their coach half way through last season because both teams had been rubbish for years?

 Or that neither have played finals in donkey's years?

Or that one has only won one flag and the other not in decades?

And we are designed to building through the draft? Did you miss the memo we have locked in Langdon and Tomlinson, chased elliot and no doubt will look to bring in another established player.

Fair dinkum. Is a modicum of logic too much to ask?

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by binman

Just now, jumbo returns said:

I hear you SWYL, but it doesn't mean that a decision is based on one year?

That would be churlish

Cause and Effect. 

Do you honestly trust this Club to bounce back into Finals next year?

I don’t. I hope we do, but i have no trust...

2 minutes ago, binman said:

Fair dinkum. Is a modicum of logic too much to ask?

On Demonland it is.  There is logic here, you just need to wade through the rest to find it.

32 minutes ago, Demonland said:

One day, maybe, we'll win a premiership and people will complain that the cup isn't shiny enough. Welcome to Demonland. 

More probably that we still don’t have a home to store it in

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by In Harmes Way
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Elliot was never coming here. It's pretty obvious his preference is Collingwood and the Melbourne and Brisbane noise is just there to drive up his deal at Collingwood.

If the pies get cold feet he has Brisbanes offer, but odds are him staying in the barcode jumper for another 3 seasons.

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

On Demonland it is.  There is logic here, you just need to wade through the rest to find it.

Can we set up a seperate page for all the wrist slashes to comment and another for those with logic?

Anyone volunteering for the wrist slashing page???

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by Gawn's Beard

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

So you see us as a lowly club again next year?

"Resigning us to rebuilding again through the draft" is pure MFCSS and totally not what some commentators are saying about us in 2020

Interesting how we each approach these things.

I see us not as rebuilding, more acknowledging our deficiencies through some trades and pick 3 (or 2 x split picks). With a relatively injury free preseason and a fit list, some added outside skill and a favourable fixture, I expect us to be finalists in 2020.

Yes, we had a very poor 2019, for a variety of reasons. We also had 3 years of improvement before that and reached a preliminary final. We can focus only on the negatives or we can look to improve our list and FD and move on. Doesn't make me a happy-clappy or a wrist slasher. As with most things, the answer lies somewhere between.

I don't know mate...I reckon 9 or 10 wins would have been a real bad year but it might have still given people some belief that this club was in the process of changing its ways.

As it stands, we looked like a club that was pretty lost but even worse we didn't even look like we were fighting to right the ship. The performance late in the season against Sydney looked like a group who gives no $hits about the direction of the club. Very hard to sell it to potential recruits on the back of that.

3 minutes ago, rufus said:

I don't know mate...I reckon 9 or 10 wins would have been a real bad year but it might have still given people some belief that this club was in the process of changing its ways.

As it stands, we looked like a club that was pretty lost but even worse we didn't even look like we were fighting to right the ship. The performance late in the season against Sydney looked like a group who gives no $hits about the direction of the club. Very hard to sell it to potential recruits on the back of that.

Disposals: 356 v 351
Marks: 82 v 84
Tackles 77 v 83
Inside 50's: 55 v 45
Scoring shots: 17 v 20
Clearances: 37 v 38

We didn't play a tall forward at all to bring the ball to ground and left Melksham and Fritsch outmanned and up the other end Sam Reid got hold of Frost. Ugly lapses in defensive systems led to easy Swans goals at times but otherwise it wasn't a case of giving up. 

The St Kilda game annoyed me most from the run home because they were dreadful and did all they could to throw it away for 3/4's but we were worse and limped out of there in the last quarter. That and throwing away the North game for no good reason out of sheer laziness. 

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

So you see us as a lowly club again next year?

"Resigning us to rebuilding again through the draft" is pure MFCSS and totally not what some commentators are saying about us in 2020

Interesting how we each approach these things.

I see us not as rebuilding, more acknowledging our deficiencies through some trades and pick 3 (or 2 x split picks). With a relatively injury free edit season and a fit list, some added outside skill and a favourable fixture, I expect us to be finalists in 2020.

Yes, we had a very poor 2019, for a variety of reasons. We also had 3 years of improvement before that and reached a preliminary final. We can focus only on the negatives or we can look to improve our list and FD and move on. Doesn't make me a happy-clappy or a wrist slasher. As with most things, the answer lies somewhere between.

I couldn't put that any better myself, only bit you missed ' is clear communication lines reestablished and the players being in the right head space', although I doubt you will ever convince the core group of miseries on here

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by Satyriconhome

41 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

More probably that we still don’t have a home to store it in

you have my sympathy living on the street and all that, I would offer to take it and display with pride alongside my collection of Austrian yodelling cd's and my signed photo of Margaret Rutherford

Didn't want him anyway...will be injured most of the time.

I wonder if Frost leaving changed his mind..... thinking face

1 hour ago, Adzman said:

Elliot was never coming here. It's pretty obvious his preference is Collingwood and the Melbourne and Brisbane noise is just there to drive up his deal at Collingwood.

If the pies get cold feet he has Brisbanes offer, but odds are him staying in the barcode jumper for another 3 seasons.

Robbo just tweeted that Elliott has said no to Brisbane, will re-sign with Pies

3 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Robbo just tweeted that Elliott has said no to Brisbane, will re-sign with Pies

That is an indictment on the lions. An embarrassment.

1 minute ago, binman said:

That is an indictment on the lions. An embarrassment.

Another slap in the face.

Surely requires an external review.

Fagan has a lot to answer for. 

2 minutes ago, binman said:

That is an indictment on the lions. An embarrassment.

They should be kicked out of the AFL.

In all seriousness both the Dees, Lions and even the face saving Hawks were played like a fiddle by Elliotts management.