Casey Demons v Frankston - VFL Round 20

[DeeZone 10,107]

Thanks KC. dd36 and all other posters, nearly kicked ourselves out of it. Well done Casey Dee’s.

PS( drunkin67 hope all good for you and Dec I have enjoyed your posts)

[chookrat 4,268]

19 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Pruess 22kicks 8 tackles. 55 hitouts and kicked 0.5!

he is an interesting unit!

How many times did he man the mark on the wrong side? 

[bing181 9,328]

5 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Preuss should have played with the dees on Friday, i have to see this revolving door of player being dropped, being brought back in, being dropped, etc.. omac, anb, preuss.  stick with preuss

Apart from the odd cameo, Preuss has been shown to not be able to bring this form to the AFL. At all. He has been mediocre at best.

Reminds me of those clammering for Hore to be brought in after starring at VFL level. We did, and he was one of the worse performers yesterday. (12 disposals at 50%, 4 clangers, 4 marks from someone renowned for his marking, and zero tackles).

AFL/VFL are completely different levels, played at a very different pace. Standout performances in one do not always translate to the other (and that goes both ways), and we've seen plenty of players who consistently dominate in the VFL but fail at AFL level. Here's hoping that's not the case with Preuss.

[dazzledavey36 55,347]

Brayden Pruess - 23 disposals 5 marks 8 tackles and kicked 0.5

James Jordon - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.1

Jay Lockhart - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.3

Oskar Baker - 15 disposals 3 tackles

Jayden Hunt - 14 disposal 6 tackles

Toby Bedford 10 disposals 6 tackles.

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Another solid year by Casey. It's an entertaining competition.

On Preuss,he needs some heavy analysis by experts to determine what changes are needed. For total dominance at this level to turn into irrelevance at AFL level there has to be something more. Sure he may not be a star but he should be capable of being a reasonable cog.

Thanks KC and to all the caterers at the various VFL grounds for their diverse offerings from Burra Burgers to Egg and Bacon rolls and not forgetting the Frankston sausage sizzle. Footy at it's simplest

Edited August 18, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[John Dee 445]

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Apart from the odd cameo, Preuss has been shown to not be able to bring this form to the AFL. At all. He has been mediocre at best.

Reminds me of those clammering for Hore to be brought in after starring at VFL level. We did, and he was one of the worse performers yesterday. (12 disposals at 50%, 4 clangers, 4 marks from someone renowned for his marking, and zero tackles).

AFL/VFL are completely different levels, played at a very different pace. Standout performances in one do not always translate to the other (and that goes both ways), and we've seen plenty of players who consistently dominate in the VFL but fail at AFL level. Here's hoping that's not the case with Preuss.

Hore was a proven performer at AFL level prior to breaking his collarbone. That is why people were clamouring for his inclusion.

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Brayden Pruess - 23 disposals 5 marks 8 tackles and kicked 0.5

James Jordon - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.1

Jay Lockhart - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.3

Oskar Baker - 15 disposals 3 tackles

Jayden Hunt - 14 disposal 6 tackles

Toby Bedford 10 disposals 6 tackles.

Bring ‘em all in!  Hobart awaits...

[bing181 9,328]

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

For total dominance at this level to turn into irrelevance at AFL level there has to be something more.

Isn't it just a question of fitness, an ability to run/work all day at a high level?

[jumbo returns 6,741]

14 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Isn't it just a question of fitness, an ability to run/work all day at a high level?

I think he's too heavy

[DeeZone 10,107]

Another pre-season with Max will do wonders for thye big fella.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Apart from the odd cameo, Preuss has been shown to not be able to bring this form to the AFL. At all. He has been mediocre at best.

Reminds me of those clammering for Hore to be brought in after starring at VFL level. We did, and he was one of the worse performers yesterday. (12 disposals at 50%, 4 clangers, 4 marks from someone renowned for his marking, and zero tackles).

AFL/VFL are completely different levels, played at a very different pace. Standout performances in one do not always translate to the other (and that goes both ways), and we've seen plenty of players who consistently dominate in the VFL but fail at AFL level. Here's hoping that's not the case with Preuss.

Give the Big P some time Bing.  Might not make the step up but 14 games is hardly enough time.  I'm not that optimistic either but he is 2 meters or so and a massive WIP.

Hore has one very ordinary game from 12, most of them top 10 performances and our best defender for the year after weeks out with a collarbone in his first season and you want to highlight his first game back?  Fake news Bing.  Not sure if you've been watching his other matches....

Given you are highlighting his stats... Barring another week like Friday, he is likely to finish in our top 10 for the year and the No.1 defender for the season on averages....

No.1 Intercept player ahead of our big name recruits Lever and May.

2nd in rebound 50s only bettered by Salem with four seasons plus and buiding.

5th in 1%ers.

7th for contested marks....only bettered by Lever down back with seasons of experience behind him.

9th in meters gained.

13th in effective disposals for the season (averaging 11.83) .  Only just bettered by fellow defenders Fritschkrieg (12.14 - part of the season in defence), Lewis (12) & Hibb (12) with many seasons experience and premierships under their belt (Louis).

If he has a weakness it is his turnover count ranked 7th (lower is worse) but he still has Salem (6th) and Hibb (2nd) ahead of him, again with seasons more experience behind them.

The weighted score above accounts for and punishes turnovers.

A rare jewel in a horrible season.

Early days, but Marty is going to be a star if this season is anything to go by IMV.

Edited August 18, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Earl Hood 6,101]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Brayden Pruess - 23 disposals 5 marks 8 tackles and kicked 0.5

James Jordon - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.1

Jay Lockhart - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.3

Oskar Baker - 15 disposals 3 tackles

Jayden Hunt - 14 disposal 6 tackles

Toby Bedford 10 disposals 6 tackles.

It looks like the entire AFL list can’t kick straight for goal! 0.9 from MFC players. 

[bing181 9,328]

57 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Give the Big P some time Bing.  Might not make the step up but 14 games is hardly enough time.  I'm not that optimistic either but he is 2 meters or so and a massive WIP.

Hore has one very ordinary game from 12, most of them top 10 performances and our best defender for the year after weeks out with a collarbone in his first season and you want to highlight his first game back?  Fake news Bing.  Not sure if you've been watching his other matches....

Re Preuss: I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic. On the basis of what we've seen I would have though he has a bit of work to do, but who knows.

Re Hore: I agree, he's been a great asset this year. However, my point was simply that great VFL form does not automatically translate to great (or even reasonable) AFL form.

Hope both of them turn out useful players for the Dees, fingers crossed.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,099]

3 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

I think he's too heavy

He does appear to be too heavy but that wouldn't make him drop simple marks. I reckon it's between the ears, and it won't help dropping him after every game.

He should've been played vs Sydney, as the ruckman, with Gawn at FF and chopping out. Would've kept some forward structure, trialled the 2 ruck game plan, and also given Max more experience up forward, not to mention a bit of a rest. It was a no brainer for mine, given Sydney's lack of a genuine ruck. Would've been fantastic to see him up against Aliir Aliir again.

[rjay 25,088]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

James Jordon - 19 disposals 4 tackles 0.1

How did Jordon look today 'dazzle'?

Did he play mid or back?

[WERRIDEE 5,505]

Really disappointing game. To kick only 4 goals against the bottom of the ladder side is disgraceful. Really poor performance by Hunt I thought he was above VFL level. We don't deserve to make the finals. Pretty poor year all round by Casey.

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

13 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

Well boys today might just as well be my last ever Casey game

Its been a hell of a 5 years for Dec and the family and I hope he tears it up today in defence like he did last week

Congratulations Drunk to you and your family we've all lived Dec's dream through you over the last few years. I t wasn't the AFL outcome I'm sure you hoped for but we'll done to Dec on playing 2 more AFL games than most of us. Best of luck to you and your family should Declan not continue with MFC or Casey 

[Demonland 73,140]

HELP! by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time.

While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the remainder of the day as the rain lashed the ground making the spectacle as poor an advertisement for football as you can get leaving one to believe that the Demons certainly need some more help from above if their season is to remain alive.

The game epitomised all what has become of the Demons’ season. Injuries again left the team with less than double figure numbers of AFL listed players and those who took part kicked no goals and nine behinds in an afternoon of wasted opportunities and ended in near defeat as the fast-finishing Dolphins side almost reeled them in during the latter stages of the final quarter of an otherwise dreary low scoring affair.

The Casey Demons started brightly with Brayden Preuss once again dominating the hit out count and were seemingly in complete control of the game for much of the opening term. Mitch White booted the opening goal at the two minute mark and by 10 minutes in Jack Hutchins kicked the second to make it 2.2.14 to nothing. Incredibly, Casey kicked half its goals in that period and it still managed to win despite kicking only two goals for the rest of the game.

You can certainly put that down to the conditions but, sad to say, it appeared that too many players were going through the motions, tired and incapable of lifting, even when their season was on the line.

The exceptions were Preuss who once again excelled at this level and amassed an amazing 23 kicks, 8 tackles and 63 hit outs in a brute of a performance which along with the indefatigable Jimmy Munro (28 possessions and 10 tackles) willed their team across the line.

A few others like Josh Wagner, Hutchins and skipper Mitch White worked hard but there was certainly nothing in this performance to indicate that the Demons are capable of making inroads should the Magpies do them the unlikely favour and give them some help by disposing of the Hawks at Box Hill City Oval next Saturday.

2019 Hard Yakka / Totally Workwear VFL

Casey Demons 2.6.18 3.8.26 4.13.37 4.14.38

Frankston 0.2.2 3.3.21 3.4.22 4.8.32

Goals 

Casey Demons Hutchins 2 Wale-Buxton White 

Best

Casey Demons Preuss Munro Hutchins Tynan Lockhart White

Statistics 

Oskar Baker 6 kicks 7 handballs 13 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 60 dream team points  
Toby Bedford 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 49 dream team points
Austin Bradtke 2 kicks 2 disposals 1 mark 1 hit outs 10 dream team points    
Dylan Collis 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 tackles 40 dream team points  
Wayne Collis 3 kicks 1 handballs 4 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 13 dream team points
Tom Freeman 9 kicks 1 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 44 dream team points  
Matt Gahan 3 kicks 3 handballs 6 disposals 1 mark 1 tackles 42 dream team points 
Mitch Gent 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 2 tackles 29 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 12 kicks 2 handballs 14 disposals 3 marks 6 tackles 69 dream team points
Jack Hutchins 2 goals 2 behinds 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 83 dream team points  
James Jordon 1 behind 10 kicks 9 handballs 19 disposals 4 tackles 66 dream team points  
Declan Keilty 3 kicks 2 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 22 dream team points    
Mitch Lewis 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 51 dream team points
Jay Lockhart 3 behinds 12 kicks 7 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 92 dream team points  
Nick Lowden 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 61 dream team points  
Ariek Lual 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 32 dream team points
James Munro 1 behind 11 kicks 17 handballs 28 disposals 2 marks 10 tackles 115 dream team points  
Braydon Preuss 5 behinds 23 kicks 23 disposals 5 marks 8 tackles 63 hit outs 187 dream team points  
Cory Stockdale 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 2 tackles 24 dream team points  
Luke Tynan 8 kicks 4 handballs 12 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 55 dream team points  
Josh Wagner 1 behind 10 kicks 9 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 73 dream team points 
Liam Wale-Buxton 1 goal 2 kicks 2 handballs 4 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 11 hit outs 67 dream team points 
Mitch White 1 goal 1 behind 12 kicks 6 handballs 18 disposals 5 marks 9 tackles 98 dream team points 

[old55 23,687]

20 hours ago, bing181 said:

Apart from the odd cameo, Preuss has been shown to not be able to bring this form to the AFL. At all. He has been mediocre at best.

Preuss is an adequate 1st ruck at AFL level, he was good against Carlton and Kreuzer in his one opportunity at it this year. 

He's hopeless as a forward/ruck option and is unlikely to improve.

[Fat Tony 5,262]

3 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Preuss is an adequate 1st ruck at AFL level, he was good against Carlton and Kreuzer in his one opportunity at it this year. 

He's hopeless as a forward/ruck option and is unlikely to improve.

I agree with all of this but he should have played on Friday night to give us a target. It was the stupidest decision Goodwin has made all season.