On 26/07/2019 at 13:02, binman said:

Yep, and with a game plan that is closest in style to ours of any team.

But hold on, i thought the pies, cats, west coast slow, chip it around, cross to the fat side  and maintain possession model is unbeatable and  where the game is heading and Goody has failed to keep up with premiership winning trend in footy.

I'm confused. Perhaps that's the not the case after all. 

Come on 'bin', their game plan has little resemblance to ours.

They hit the contest, work together, spread hard, move the ball quickly, hit up targets in the forward half & have quality smalls at the fall of the ball.

They have a solid defensive structure...

We hit the contest, get sucked into and don't spread. When we get it we move it on quickly & bomb it in to non existent targets & don't have quality smalls at the fall of the ball if it gets to the ground.

Our defence is a work in progress, let alone the structure.

We don't need to emulate anyone else's game plan be it Tiges, WC, Cats, Pies...we do need to develop our own sustainable winning plan. A plan that suits the structure of our list.

What we're doing isn't working, part is the plan itself & part is the personnel to carry it through.

 

  On 26/07/2019 at 13:44, rjay said:

Come on 'bin', their game plan has little resemblance to ours.

They hit the contest, work together, spread hard, move the ball quickly, hit up targets in the forward half & have quality smalls at the fall of the ball.

They have a solid defensive structure...

We hit the contest, get sucked into and don't spread. When we get it we move it on quickly & bomb it in to non existent targets & don't have quality smalls at the fall of the ball if it gets to the ground.

Our defence is a work in progress, let alone the structure.

We don't need to emulate anyone else's game plan be it Tiges, WC, Cats, Pies...we do need to develop our own sustainable winning plan. A plan that suits the structure of our list.

What we're doing isn't working, part is the plan itself & part is the personnel to carry it through.

 

Of course it does rjay and of course it is not working as well this year. But it certainly was last year. Better in the last third of the season when our defence was the best in the season and we were applying manic all ground pressure and smashing opposition in contested ball. We were trapping it in  our forward half, getting rpeat entries, applying forward 50 tackles, running in waves and playing forward half pressure game. Just likes the Tigers. And just like the tigers this year we were utilsing a key forward who was grabbing everything and kicking goals. 

The Hawks tried their spread style in the semi and we smashed them the same way the tigers smashed the pies last night. 

As i said their game plan is the closest in style to ours. Not the same but close, particularly in terms of philosophy, which is contested ball is king and the swarm will beat the spread. You watch, from tomorrow the footy talking heads will be all over the the tigers game and how effective it is  - kryptonite to the pies and west coast style.

But it is game style, just like the Pies game style, like any game style that relies on having your best players playing. Which the tigers are close to having and the pies don't. And nor do we.

Our list is built for our style. When we had our best players playing we showed last year we can be brutally effective. And Goody obviously has faith in it. Contest out. Swarming, smashing in and hard at it. The Melbourne way. Tweak, and adjust sure but he's not going to throw it away now and try new one.   So what choice is there but to get on board and trust he is right?

If worried ask a Tigers fan about game style. They're pretty happy right about now i suspect. And the Cats, Pies and Eagles fans are suddenly worried their game plan doesn't score enough points to win big games. 

Edited July 26, 20195 yr by binman

  On 26/07/2019 at 14:35, binman said:

Of course it does rjay and of course it is not working as well this year. But it certainly was last year. Better in the last third of the season when our defence was the best in the season and we were applying manic all ground pressure and smashing opposition in contested ball. We were trapping it in  our forward half, getting rpeat entries, applying forward 50 tackles, running in waves and playing forward half pressure game. Just likes the Tigers. And just like the tigers this year we were utilsing a key forward who was grabbing everything and kicking goals. 

The Hawks tried their spread style in the semi and we smashed them the same way the tigers smashed the pies last night. 

As i said their game plan is the closest in style to ours. Not the same but close, particularly in terms of philosophy, which is contested ball is king and the swarm will beat the spread. You watch, from tomorrow the footy talking heads will be all over the the tigers game and how effective it is  - kryptonite to the pies and west coast style.

But it is game style, just like the Pies game style, like any game style that relies on having your best players playing. Which the tigers are close to having and the pies don't. And nor do we.

Our list is built for our style. When we had our best players playing we showed last year we can be brutally effective. And Goody obviously has faith in it. Contest out. Swarming, smashing in and hard at it. The Melbourne way. Tweak, and adjust sure but he's not going to throw it away now and try new one.   So what choice is there but to get on board and trust he is right?

If worried ask a Tigers fan about game style. They're pretty happy right about now i suspect. And the Cats, Pies and Eagles fans are suddenly worried their game plan doesn't score enough points to win big games. 

Maybe.. but the engine room for this style has played most of the year. We still badly need outside pace, a true line breaker, and some small forwards. We really should be throwing the house at both Hill and Langdon.

  On 26/07/2019 at 14:44, praha said:

Maybe.. but the engine room for this style has played most of the year. We still badly need outside pace, a true line breaker, and some small forwards. We really should be throwing the house at both Hill and Langdon.

Totally agree on those needs.

I'd add we need some small defenders too. I'm a bit concerned Jetts might not get back to his best, whilst i like Jones back it's a stretch to say he's a natural defender and neither Hibbo and Salem are attacking rather than shut down defenders.  Small and medium forwards have killed us this year and i'm not convinced we have the player's to shut them down. 

At the mcg. Massive support for the crows. Their fans must like to travel

  On 27/07/2019 at 04:15, Diamond_Jim said:

At the mcg. Massive support for the crows. Their fans must like to travel

half of the adelaide population has moved to melbourne for work over the last twenty years

bears look like they could get clarko'd, like the cats did last week 

Sitting near a group of teenagers from the northern territory. Asked them if they thought our playing up there had increased our supporter level in the nt.

They all looked at me blankly and said...

No

Blues well on top at present.

Could be some strong pressure on both south Australian coaches over the next few weeks

We may well be a game and % locked into 17th. 

Carltank not tanking now that their first pick belongs to crows

Bolton must be feeling great. 

  On 27/07/2019 at 05:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Bolton must be feeling great. 

are we sure we want him as an assistant?

 

Eddie Betts liked a tweet mid-week that said "Pyke should be dropped, not eddie" - Looking more and more each week like Pyke has lost the players. My dream of Goodwin to Adelaide, Roos to Melbourne looking more and more likely each day. ??

Edited July 27, 20195 yr by John Demonic

  On 27/07/2019 at 05:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Bolton must be feeling great. 

Both him and Juddy.

Seems to me Goodwin made a great assistant coach,where he was one of the boys,where they all loved him,it was well known, and he could be one of them.Now he's the boss,he wouldn't have/couldn't have the same contact with them as he did previously, he'd be too busy.So it all came back to the other assistants and maybe this is the root cause of our fall off. 

So we are worse side than

blues, saints, nth 

what a joke of a club we are!

  On 27/07/2019 at 05:08, praha said:

We may well be a game and % locked into 17th. 

Makes you feel all warm and  fuzzy lol

  On 27/07/2019 at 06:10, John Demonic said:

Eddie Betts liked a tweet mid-week that said "Pyke should be dropped, not eddie" - Looking more and more each week like Pyke has lost the players. My dream of Goodwin to Adelaide, Roos to Melbourne looking more and more likely each day. ??

yeah Roos isn't coming back to Melbourne lol

  On 27/07/2019 at 05:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Bolton must be feeling great. 

 

  On 27/07/2019 at 05:59, whatwhatsaywhat said:

are we sure we want him as an assistant?

 

As an assistant 'what', his record is very, very good.

Just not so good as the number one man...

We could do a lot worse than getting Bolton on board.

Would be a real asset.

David Teague has played his players in there right positions. He got back to the basics and obviously he had his own ideas and they are paying off. I wonder if he put his ideas to Bolton and Bolton didn't listen.

Gee not a great day for Adelaide. They lose, stuffing up there top 8 spot and what they thought with the number 1 pick appears to be going. 

Seriously people talk about us this year after last year but 2 years ago they played in a gf, missed finals last year and now could miss again. What's there excuse? 

Brisbane, what odds would you have got that they would be sitting equal top at this round. Fagan is some coach. 

The only bad thing now is  it looks like essenscum will play finals. They will win tomorrow and go 2 games clear of adelaide. Ugh!

  On 27/07/2019 at 07:06, dees189227 said:

David Teague has played his players in there right positions. He got back to the basics and obviously he had his own ideas and they are paying off. I wonder if he put his ideas to Bolton and Bolton didn't listen.

Gee not a great day for Adelaide. They lose, stuffing up there top 8 spot and what they thought with the number 1 pick appears to be going. 

Seriously people talk about us this year after last year but 2 years ago they played in a gf, missed finals last year and now could miss again. What's there excuse? 

Brisbane, what odds would you have got that they would be sitting equal top at this round. Fagan is some coach. 

The only bad thing now is  it looks like essenscum will play finals. They will win tomorrow and go 2 games clear of adelaide. Ugh!

Fagan is coaching out of his skull atm. You just knew he would get them going at some stage. Even early last year. What did they start, was it 1-12 at one point? Unbelievable. I think they may even finish on top.

West coast have already jumped out to a good lead, leading by 4 goals at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Kennedy already 4 goals. 

Right so we’re a game behind a failed Carlton who sacked their coach. Only Melbourne could fall this low. [censored] hell.

  On 27/07/2019 at 07:25, dees189227 said:

West coast have already jumped out to a good lead, leading by 4 goals at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Kennedy already 4 goals. 

And without Dean Margetts! Fair effort that.