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[jnrmac 20,061]

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Well this is awkward. 

There is a lot of revisionism around here...

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42 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Are you calling him a liar?

If he wanted to cut it short he could easily have said  'Yes we reviewed it and moved on'.

Are you really asking this question ? Lying is the language of the AFL.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

28 minutes ago, loges said:

Are you really asking this question ? Lying is the language of the AFL.

Cut him some slack, judging by his posts and comments he's not far past 21 and has a fair bit to learn about life.

If he's much older, well there's other issues 

[binman 42,939]

1 hour ago, loges said:

Are you really asking this question ? Lying is the language of the AFL.

It takes a fair bit to surprise me but to be honest i'm amazed anyone in their right mind actually thinks Goodwin did not review the prelim last year. 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

14 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin is so determined to see his club move on from last year’s preliminary final humiliation at the hands of eventual premiers West Coast that he hasn’t even watched the full replay.

The 42-year-old former Adelaide champion has only briefly touched on the experience with his players, instead opting to focus on 2019 and the Demons’ next tilt at a drought-breaking flag. 

“It’s been a pretty simple one for me,” Goodwin told SEN on Tuesday.

“You look at your year in total and you try to keep perspective about where you’ve come from as a footy club and where you’re going.

“I certainly haven’t looked back. I’ve been more inclined to look forward.

“I haven’t dealt with it with the players. I actually haven’t really watched it again.”

"I actually haven't watched it again" reads quite differently to "I actually haven't really watched it again" I'd suggest.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Engorged Onion

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Could one of the enlightened in this thread help me understand the importance of reviewing last years prelim.final. i dont understand the crime.

A couple of questions i have are...

What relavence does it have to 2019? 

From your experiences in reviewing games, what opportunities were missed from not reviewing?

How games are reviwed and what practices are considered normal when reviewing afl games?

Why is not reviewing abnormal practice?

And what affect did th afl rule changes play in the decision to review or not review?

Thanks in advance 

Your friend

Unleash Hell

Edited July 31, 2019 by Unleash Hell

[Tricky 341]

17 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Could one of the enlightened in this thread help me understand the importance of reviewing last years prelim.final.

What relavence does it have to 2019? 

From your experiences in reviewing games, what opportunities were missed from not reviewing?

How games are reviwed and what practices are considered normal when reviewing afl games?

Why is not reviewing abnormal practice?

And what affect did th afl rule changes play in the decision to review or not review?

Thanks in advance 

Your friend

Unleash Hell

Personally, I'd be looking closely at the weakest links; where things fell apart.

Even if it was an aberration (turns out it was not, but the season may well have been) it'd be good to understand the "warning signs" for future reference. How do certain players behave under particular pressures / season fatigue etc etc. 

I can understand not dragging the players through their failures, but i cannot understand why on earth you would not want that information as a coach.

Just my 2c - I'm not a coach and contrary to what he says publicly, I suspect (hope) he actually has indeed re-watched it.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Tricky

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

"I actually haven't watched it again" reads quite differently to "I actually haven't really watched it again" I'd suggest.

maybe I haven't watched the full replay meant I watched the first half when they took us to the cleaners.

 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,858]

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Are you calling him a liar?

If he wanted to cut it short he could easily have said  'Yes we reviewed it and moved on'.

Early on he stated he hadn’t reviewed the prelim and stuck to that story. If he comes out now and says he’s recently reviewed the prelim, imagine the response from the media and our supporters. 

[Demon3 2,541]

16 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Oh Ffs, if you believe the footy department didn't review the Prelim then don't be late sending your letter to Santa.

 

All evidence would suggest they didnt. Especially the main bit if evidence.. nothing has changed. 

If they did, they did a damn lazy half hearted shockingly inept, unprofessional review. SO maybe you are right.

[jnrmac 20,061]

3 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

"I actually haven't watched it again" reads quite differently to "I actually haven't really watched it again" I'd suggest.

I heard the interview in question. he said that he had seen it live. So when he said he hadn't watched it again he was clearly saying he hadn't watched a replay.

Some nuffies here seem to think that he would lie about that. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

So not the gameplan or the coach?

The coach oversees the list management and recruitment of players to 'fit' a game-plan. Goodwin's game-plan. 

Most obviously, the game-plan implemented and therefore the coach must take some of the blame for developing a list that either cannot execute said game-plan on a consistent basis or be flexible and creative enough to find any other way of navigating a win during a match. 

Now you may bring up injuries again like the rest of the peanuts that continue to only talk about the severity of our injuries, but tell me about the sort of depth we have at VFL level then and whose shoulders does that responsibility fall on if it's not up to scratch? 

Tell me about the trends that have developed over the last few years regarding the way we lose games and the way opposition sides so easily exploit our clear and obvious weakness areas? 

"so easy to score against". 

"don't run hard enough defensively" 

"too many get sucked into the contest to often" 

"exposed on the outside" 

"their fundamentals let them down" 

"their skill level is poor across the board" 

 

M8. Media experts and the footballing world have been talking about those issues since well before last year's prelim. 

Wakey wakey.

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by stevethemanjordan

[Dr. Gonzo 24,215]

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

The coach oversees the list management and recruitment of players to 'fit' a game-plan. Goodwin's game-plan. 

Most obviously, the game-plan implemented and therefore the coach must take some of the blame for developing a list that either cannot execute said game-plan on a consistent basis or be flexible and creative enough to find any other way of navigating a win during a match. 

Now you may bring up injuries again like the rest of the peanuts that continue to only talk about the severity of our injuries, but tell me about the sort of depth we have at VFL level then and whose shoulders does that responsibility fall on if it's not up to scratch? 

Tell me about the trends that have developed over the last few years regarding the way we lose games and the way opposition sides so easily exploit our clear and obvious weakness areas? 

"so easy to score against". 

"don't run hard enough defensively" 

"too many get sucked into the contest to often" 

"exposed on the outside" 

"their fundamentals let them down" 

"their skill level is poor across the board" 

 

M8. Media experts and the footballing world have been talking about those issues since well before last year's prelim. 

Wakey wakey.

 

Of course our depth is poor we had to rebuild the entire list from scratch starting in 2014. How long should it take to build a list that has enough depth that it can comfortably cover so many injuries particularly to key players and ensure we continue to win games and push for finals?

Goodwin may oversee list management, I don't know but I would've thought that is mainly the role of the list manager.

We've got holes in the gameplan that need to be worked on over summer but the injuries certainly haven't helped. It's not one or the other, it's both. Last year people like King were saying "match them on the inside and you can beat them on the outside". That still applies it's just that last year we were smashing teams on the inside and kicking scores going forward so it didn't matter. Some games we struggled to score or had the press too high and we got exposed. That was tweaked and we performed far better in the second half of the season.

For me this year has just been a "what can go wrong will go wrong" year. I'm keeping my powder til next year to see how the team and coaches respond particularly with a (hopefully) healthy list. If we continue with an unaltered gameplan we will be doomed to fail but I don't think that will be the case. It has been evident over the past 6 or so weeks we have tried to change things a little we just haven't had the personnel to do so successfully.

[titan_uranus 25,018]

11 hours ago, jnrmac said:

There is a lot of revisionism around here...

A bit like the revisionism that says we "fluked" making it to a prelim because we hit a "purple patch" over Rounds 22-23 and the first two finals.

[Superunknown 4,217]

20 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

"I actually haven't watched it again" reads quite differently to "I actually haven't really watched it again" I'd suggest.

Technically he watched it live as he coached it, so I haven't watched it again could mean he hasn't watched a replay.

This is all very fun!

[jnrmac 20,061]

11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

A bit like the revisionism that says we "fluked" making it to a prelim because we hit a "purple patch" over Rounds 22-23 and the first two finals.

That's not something I have have ever said.

 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

44 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Technically he watched it live as he coached it, so I haven't watched it again could mean he hasn't watched a replay.

This is all very fun!

It is isn't it - it's as though people think Goodwin speaks in tongues or something??

[beelzebub 23,370]

23 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Are you calling him a liar?

If he wanted to cut it short he could easily have said  'Yes we reviewed it and moved on'.

Sums it up quite  succinctly. 

I dont as a rule listen or bother with  any pressers etc...all just fluff and bluff bs.

Not hard to shut down an interview/conversation. .not at all.

I dont think this FD really have much of a clue to be honest. They know lots of bits and pieces...but nothing gels...nothing really works.

I have Zero confidence  in the club at present. .Zero. 

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:08 AM, binman said:

 I flagged a few weeks back that the tiger's, with their opposite style, a team close to full strength and a dream run of games at the g would be close to premiership favorites soon enough. If they win it our style will be the flavour of the day again.

Richmond can hit targets.
We cannot.
If you can't hit a target now and then it won't matter what game plan you have.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Fork 'em

[jnrmac 20,061]

On 7/31/2019 at 12:27 PM, Pennant St Dee said:

Cut him some slack, judging by his posts and comments he's not far past 21 and has a fair bit to learn about life.

If he's much older, well there's other issues 

Puerile post by someone caught out being wrong. 

Thanks for playing.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

38 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Puerile post by someone caught out being wrong. 

Thanks for playing.

Keep playing on words and hold on to that 

He hasn't watched the full replay is the same as when he came out saying they hadn't done a full review of the prelim.

I know you are young but surely you've finished school and aren't that naive.

 

[titan_uranus 25,018]

11 hours ago, jnrmac said:

That's not something I have have ever said.

I didn't say you did.

It's just a trend that pops up from posters who are down about 2019 and are trying to make 2018 sound like less than it actually was.

[jnrmac 20,061]

17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I didn't say you did.

It's just a trend that pops up from posters who are down about 2019 and are trying to make 2018 sound like less than it actually was.

Well you were responding to my post.

And your last line is probably similar to those who are making 2018 sound more than it actually was.

Richmond made the prelim in 2001 by 68 points with Frawley in his second year as coach. They didn't play in finals again until 2013. Plenty of teams overrate their list and their club. 

Lets all hope we're not one.

[beelzebub 23,370]

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Well you were responding to my post.

And your last line is probably similar to those who are making 2018 sound more than it actually was.

Richmond made the prelim in 2001 by 68 points with Frawley in his second year as coach. They didn't play in finals again until 2013. Plenty of teams overrate their list and their club. 

Lets all hope we're not one.

We overate our list

We overate our coaching

We overate out FD

We overate  our board 

Ppl speak of trends. ..theres one