14 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mahoney did say that the players were consulted as part of the review process that saw the coaching changes made. This is the same group of players that got the infamous training camp cancelled by the AFLPA, so I wouldn't be surprised if McCartney had been moved due to the playing group thinking he was too hard on them. Clearly if McCartney is saying things like reported here to fans over the fence at training then we're in a bad place at the moment.

I can't really decide what my outlook on it all is. We're in a time with AFL players where there is a generational shift in approach and the 'old school' ways aren't always the best way to reach them anymore. However, for a club where players have called the shots for so long and is renowned for being 'mentally soft' and a bit of a 'boys club' I do wonder if we're allowing too much push back on that harder style.

I heard Mahoney say they were 'consulted' but not sure it referred specifically Macca.  And 'consulted' could be 'this is the plan guys, any problems'; as distinct from player discontent causing the move.  Especially, as there had been no whispers about player discontent but lots of whispers about Macca and a coach(es).  I recall Jennings name being mentioned.

I guess we just need to wait and see if we get back our finals level of ferocity which doesn't need talent or skill.

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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I heard Mahoney say they were 'consulted' but not sure it referred specifically Macca.  And 'consulted' could be 'this is the plan guys, any problems'; as distinct from player discontent causing the move.  Especially, as there had been no whispers about player discontent but lots of whispers about Macca and a coach(es).  I recall Jennings name being mentioned.

I guess we just need to wait and see if we get back our finals level of ferocity which doesn't need talent or skill.

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Yeah have heard the same thing, and recall and awkward moment watching one of our games this year where Goodwin had to cover up McCartney's headset so he could get a word in to the coaches box (they were both down at boundary level at the time). Just seems strange that they would then move McCartney away from the players and into a role more directly involved with the coaches. In the end, could be not a big deal and I'm reading into things too much, but I just feel we wouldn't make such major moves mid-season without there being significant issues that needed immediate addressing.

 

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Interesting reading Cam Mooney's thoughts on McCartney in the HS this morning. An interpretation I took away from it was that our players might be a bit soft and that's what has caused the rumoured friction that has lead to McCartney being moved around so much and finally put in a role that's away from the players.

Mooney quote from the article: “I think some of these kids today need a big bag of cement and to harden up."

 

 

Are you telling me that the playing group who ran through a 'mean tweets' banner are soft?

I am shocked.

7 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Are you telling me that the playing group who ran through a 'mean tweets' banner are soft?

I am shocked.

Thought that was a great initiative actually. Social media has become a pretty dark place gradually and the irony of the reaction to this activation was not lost on me. It's obviously not just players it effects, but once you get a bit older you realize most of the players are just kids, and when you have them having to shut down their social media accounts (not a small thing for young people) due to the harassment they are copping from their own supporters, then it's time people had a think about how they act on it.

 

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Thought that was a great initiative actually. Social media has become a pretty dark place gradually and the irony of the reaction to this activation was not lost on me. It's obviously not just players it effects, but once you get a bit older you realize most of the players are just kids, and when you have them having to shut down their social media accounts (not a small thing for young people) due to the harassment they are copping from their own supporters, then it's time people had a think about how they act on it.

 

I am not against the initiative.  Social media is garbage and I am all for it being nuked from orbit.

I am against them running through that ridiculous banner and announcing to the footy world "We are the MFC and we are still soft as butter". 

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

I am not against the initiative.  Social media is garbage and I am all for it being nuked from orbit.

I am against them running through that ridiculous banner and announcing to the footy world "We are the MFC and we are still soft as butter". 

Fair enough mate. I'll be at the front of the queue with you in terms of calling out our culture as soft, I just disagree the banner thing is emblematic of that. Cheers!

 

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah have heard the same thing, and recall and awkward moment watching one of our games this year where Goodwin had to cover up McCartney's headset so he could get a word in to the coaches box (they were both down at boundary level at the time). Just seems strange that they would then move McCartney away from the players and into a role more directly involved with the coaches. In the end, could be not a big deal and I'm reading into things too much, but I just feel we wouldn't make such major moves mid-season without there being significant issues that needed immediate addressing.

 

A team that has gone from top 4 one year to bottom 3 halfway through the next has "significant issues". It might not be solely be due to the players being out of form or unfit/injured. Perhaps also the coaches, as a group, haven't got their act together. Changes to the coaches (whether that means to individuals, roles or just the way they coach) may be just as necessary as changing playing personnel. It's just that from the outside, we can't see what the problems with the coaches might be.

Well at least we have an answer after many years of bickering. With two coaches going back into development roles, it is clearly development, not recruiting.......

8 hours ago, Biffen said:

Who coaches tackling?

We are tackling like Julian Clary with a bad hangover.

 

 

Haha ? 

Post of the year so far......

 

had totally forgotten the genius work of Julian Clary!!

 

Tom McDonald dominant.  No coincidence.

All our problems have been because of the coaching roles we got so horribly wrong.  Why the hell was Rawlings ever sent to the VFL?

6 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Tom McDonald dominant.  No coincidence.

All our problems have been because of the coaching roles we got so horribly wrong.  Why the hell was Rawlings ever sent to the VFL?

But he’s not AFL standard ?

20 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Tom McDonald dominant.  No coincidence.

All our problems have been because of the coaching roles we got so horribly wrong.  Why the hell was Rawlings ever sent to the VFL?

That was my question. Apparently I hear (without inside knowledge) that the players really respond to him and respect the way he goes about it, so it stands to reason to bring a person like that back into the gameday group. The players are elevated and demoted , so the coaching panel probably should be the same. It is called management

 

58 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Tom McDonald dominant.  No coincidence.

All our problems have been because of the coaching roles we got so horribly wrong.  Why the hell was Rawlings ever sent to the VFL?

He was worst on ground playing quite possibly the worst game I've ever seen for 3/4's of the game against inexperienced defenders (Ryan was on Smith and Hamling on Hannan).

Did Rawlings only start coaching at 3/4 time?

19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He was worst on ground playing quite possibly the worst game I've ever seen for 3/4's of the game against inexperienced defenders (Ryan was on Smith and Hamling on Hannan).

Did Rawlings only start coaching at 3/4 time?

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1 hour ago, Megatron said:

But he’s not AFL standard ?

according to who ? You  ?

We won because of the coaching changes. Nothing surer. 100%. It's science.

Did anyone notice if Macca was on the bench as usual? 

In the coaches box? 

Not at all?

36 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Did anyone notice if Macca was on the bench as usual? 

In the coaches box? 

Not at all?

Pretty sure he was on the bench

27 minutes ago, loges said:

Pretty sure he was on the bench

pining !!!

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Did anyone notice if Macca was on the bench as usual? 

In the coaches box? 

Not at all?

Yep on the bench with the head phones on, business as usual on game day it seems. 

4 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Tom McDonald dominant.  No coincidence.

All our problems have been because of the coaching roles we got so horribly wrong.  Why the hell was Rawlings ever sent to the VFL?

Rawlings wasn't "sent" to the VFL. He's a rising star as a coach and wanted/deserved to be in charge of a team in his own right to continue his development. Won coach of the year last year too. It's more that he's been "sent" to Melbourne now, rather than "sent" to Casey previously.

 

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

according to who ? You  ?

No. Everyone who was potting him for most of the game saying we’re a player down when he’s on the field

Considering Hogan looks to have aggravated his foot again maybe trading him will turn out to be an astute decision.

As for the coaching, if players can't pick up the ball cleanly , kick to advantage, handball to teammates in the clear or hold simple marks by now.
No coach will fix them.
There's nothing wrong with their endeavour, it's their execution of basic skills.
We have a side full of habitual butchers.
Poor turnovers kill us , time after time.
And if the ball does find its way all the way into the hands of our forwards, they struggle to put it through the big sticks.
Soul destroying stuff all over the ground.

We need to invest in decent recruiters as far as I'm concerned.
 

Seems the football department got a bit ahead of itself at the start of the year. Development coaches don't always make great line coaches. Max Rooke and Brendan McCartney were deployed as line coaches (after success in development roles) and it would appear that they and the players haven't excelled together. So they go back to their previous successful roles. If none of the coaches have their noses out of joint , then we move on. Think Max will be the one that might be gone at seasons end not Brendan.