On 24/05/2019 at 08:47, DemonOX said:

Why get Preuss to the club. 

Would be less painful banging my head against a brick wall than trying to figure out why they haven’t selected Preuss. 

FMD. 

We needed a backup for Max.

And, after watching WCE win their way to a premiership with two ruckman and the expectation was that the rule changes would favour ruckmen, I reckon we decided to get another.  Other clubs followed and found another ruckman in the rookie or post season sup draft.

As the season progressed and the rule changes had a different impact than expected, playing two ruckmen isn't always viable.  Even WCE have played with one in recent months (except last week).

If we didn't get another ruckman DL would be screaming about it.

Preuss may need to find a few more strings to his bow to get a regular gig.

Edited May 25, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Agree with you LH - particularly about adding strings to his bow - a full tank would be a good start.

Preuss would have known the score when he crossed - he couldn’t get a gig at North, so no reason to expect he’d get one at the club with the best ruckman in the league - unless circumstances warranted it, or unless Max was injured. 

We have a forward line that cannot kick goals this year. 

Without Preuss in the side, we have to use Weidemann, Smith or McDonald or Keilty in the ruck for those 10 minutes each quarter that Max requires a rest.  So we are even less likely to score during that time. 

Preuss provides a ruck option and a forward option.  And as was seen in those last minutes of the Sydney game, Preuss covers the rucking in one half of the ground and Max sits a kick behind play to repel and defend.  And when he plays in our forward line he takes the opposition biggest defender. 

However, if the weather is as forecast, other options need to be considered......  however limited those options are for us with our injuries.

 

  On 25/05/2019 at 00:11, Lucifer's Hero said:

We needed a backup for Max.

And, after watching WCE win their way to a premiership with two ruckman and the expectation was that the rule changes would favour ruckmen, I reckon we decided to get another.  Other clubs followed and found another ruckman in the rookie or post season sup draft.

As the season progressed and the rule changes had a different impact than expected, playing two ruckmen isn't always viable.  Even WCE have played with one in recent months (except last week).

If we didn't get another ruckman DL would be screaming about it.

Preuss may need to find a few more strings to his bow to get a regular gig.

If we didn't get Pruess what would we have done if Max went down?

  On 25/05/2019 at 00:51, jnrmac said:

If we didn't get Pruess what would we have done if Max went down?

Hence my first line -  'we needed a backup for Max'.

Another ruckman had to be at the top of our recruiting list last year and we did well with Preuss.

I'm reasonably sure we will see Preuss in the Alice next week win or lose this week.

It's a real pity that the weather for Sunday is windy and that Casey plays at the same time as MFC. Weid, Preuss and T Smith are vying for the one maybe two spots in that forward line.

If we had been in some reasonable form perhaps we could have played Preuss this week but as it is GWS will run rings around us speed wise so the selection of a slower player against the smarts and pace of the GWS backline was not a real option.

Hawthorn beat GWS two weeks ago by slowing the game down and using pin point passing. As we did when we beat them last year the Hawks were great at crowding the packs and preventing that accurate handball out the GWS use so well to start their attacks.

To win tomorrow we need to kick accurately and GWS need to miss. Even when we beat them last year in round 23 GWS had 3 relatively easy shots just before half time that would have seen them in front. Instead they missed and we went in at half time with a small buffer. We blew them away in the third and everyone rested in the last.

  On 23/05/2019 at 23:54, loges said:

Usually works the other way.

Not really.  Often the team in that situation becomes determined to remedy the situation.

  On 25/05/2019 at 00:11, Lucifer's Hero said:

We needed a backup for Max.

And, after watching WCE win their way to a premiership with two ruckman and the expectation was that the rule changes would favour ruckmen, I reckon we decided to get another.  Other clubs followed and found another ruckman in the rookie or post season sup draft.

As the season progressed and the rule changes had a different impact than expected, playing two ruckmen isn't always viable.  Even WCE have played with one in recent months (except last week).

If we didn't get another ruckman DL would be screaming about it.

Preuss may need to find a few more strings to his bow to get a regular gig.

You make some good points LH but it would be good to see Preuss in the side to work together with Maxy and get the chemistry going.

Who knows it may be a great partnership which we could use more often than not and would make the opposition adjust their plans rather than just us. Look how well it worked against the swans  

Could give us a competitive advantage going forward but we won’t know until they play together for an extended period of time  

 

Edited May 25, 20195 yr by DemonOX

If Preuss was in for Stretch then that would be our best available team.

  On 24/05/2019 at 23:14, Nasher said:

This post represents everything wrong with the faux selection committee on Demonland. Saying “let’s see how this plays out”, immediately *after* drawing a (negative) conclusion.

By the way I’m assuming letting see how it plays out involves crowing about it if we lose and a big apologetic sob story about how you were wrong if we win. 

Ok Let me be clear... I would play Pruess Rain, Hail or shine to take some sting out of Mumford! PERIOD! 

  On 24/05/2019 at 16:30, FireInTheBelly said:

Wasn't he the traveling emergency, and flew back from Perth overnight to play for Casey. He might've been like me and gone all Mr Crankypants.

Yes... from reports he did fly back just prior to the eagles match,  and probably fairly pizzzed off i imagine.

  On 24/05/2019 at 08:48, At the break of Gawn said:

Seems like he’s just our Jake Spencer replacement.

You don't think We are trying to develop him into a much better player than he is.?  and at the moment he is a very restricted player.?

  On 25/05/2019 at 00:36, george_on_the_outer said:

We have a forward line that cannot kick goals this year. 

Without Preuss in the side, we have to use Weidemann, Smith or McDonald or Keilty in the ruck for those 10 minutes each quarter that Max requires a rest.  So we are even less likely to score during that time. 

Preuss provides a ruck option and a forward option.  And as was seen in those last minutes of the Sydney game, Preuss covers the rucking in one half of the ground and Max sits a kick behind play to repel and defend.  And when he plays in our forward line he takes the opposition biggest defender. 

However, if the weather is as forecast, other options need to be considered......  however limited those options are for us with our injuries.

 

At least Keilty has saved his spot on our List,  IMO...  shown hes got something.

  On 25/05/2019 at 03:18, DV8 said:

You don't think We are trying to develop him into a much better player than he is.?  and at the moment he is a very restricted player.?

I honestly have no idea what the FD’s plans are for him. But as an outsider looking in, it looks like they are treating him like Spencer and a “break glass in case of emergency” player. 

  On 25/05/2019 at 01:50, one_demon said:

Not really.  Often the team in that situation becomes determined to remedy the situation.

Losing streaks become that way because of reasons. Usually the side just doesn't play the ground well or doesn't like the ground for some reason.  If it was that easy it wouldn't become a losing streak in the first place.

  On 25/05/2019 at 05:17, loges said:

Losing streaks become that way because of reasons. Usually the side just doesn't play the ground well or doesn't like the ground for some reason.  If it was that easy it wouldn't become a losing streak in the first place.

Of course they didn't play us there for a long time.

We did give them their first win on the MCG... something we have been kind enough to do for many of the expansion clubs

  On 24/05/2019 at 10:37, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Preuss as a forward target upsets the opposition defence, supporting Max is a bonus

Need the big lug to draw attention away from TMac and allow mid sized forwards to roam. Also lets small forwards feed off

While Tim Smith has been ok at the contest he just doesn't quite give same presence for me

Summed up in three sentences, and like the emphasis of disruption of opposition defenders.

  On 25/05/2019 at 04:10, At the break of Gawn said:

I honestly have no idea what the FD’s plans are for him. But as an outsider looking in, it looks like they are treating him like Spencer and a “break glass in case of emergency” player. 

We had have an emergency all season. 

Weather forecast has been updated and it looks like it’s not going to rain at all during the game or before it. It might be a bit soft after tonight, but basically it’ll be a dry game.

  On 25/05/2019 at 04:10, At the break of Gawn said:

I honestly have no idea what the FD’s plans are for him. But as an outsider looking in, it looks like they are treating him like Spencer and a “break glass in case of emergency” player. 

I think we've got a longer term view with him...   what length contract did we give him.?

So I think we have put the job in-front of him,  to work hard,  to really earn his place.

 

I see him having to build his tank.   So he can improve on his 2018/19  preseason.   And I think he has already improved his fitness over where he was last year...  judging by his body shape. 

He has changed a lot,  starting from his work in the USA.

I reckon he'll improve next year,  with another preseason,  and then again,  the year after that. 

 

I think we're looking to be at our top,  in 2021

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  On 25/05/2019 at 08:23, At the break of Gawn said:

Weather forecast has been updated and it looks like it’s not going to rain at all during the game or before it. It might be a bit soft after tonight, but basically it’ll be a dry game.

I reckon that is huge for us. The ground won't be soft, not nearly enough rain and the G drains incredibly well.

We are a much better chance if it is dry during the game.

  On 23/05/2019 at 22:09, SFebes said:

Harmes will play on Coniglio, Dees will win.

That is if Coniglio plays. Could be late withdrawal 

  On 25/05/2019 at 10:56, Storm Boy said:

That is if Coniglio plays. Could be late withdrawal 

Source on this? Or just conjecture. 

  On 25/05/2019 at 12:31, Neitz the Great said:

Source on this? Or just conjecture. 

He'll play

  On 25/05/2019 at 08:23, At the break of Gawn said:

Weather forecast has been updated and it looks like it’s not going to rain at all during the game or before it. It might be a bit soft after tonight, but basically it’ll be a dry game.

Bring in Preuss if that’s the case. 

Its a no brainer.