CASEY DEMONS V RICHMOND VFL

[old dee 23,871]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can the mods get rid of these school kids like Elegt who continue to berate and spew negative [censored] on every single thread about the same [censored] topic. It is tiresome reading through every thread and seeing that [censored] constant negative drivel. 

Put them on ignore.

[old dee 23,871]

19 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Petty. Jordan. Sparrow are the ones to watch.  They should become good players. 

Chandler is a boy but cheeky smart fwd pocket. Unlikely to make it but fun to watch. 

Bedford is the wildcard. Could be the answer as the elusive magical forward pocket type  I like his pace.

Maynard should be given a go.  I like him above ANB. We need to see if he’s up to the AFL tempo.  If not, then he must be delisted  

Spargo should be traded. He has nothing special.  At 173 cms, he needs much more pace and strength over the footy. 

 

At the risk of boring everyone senseless I have been saying since day 1 he is short with average skills. That type of player does not make it at AFL level.

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There isn't a great deal of players that can step up into the seniors and therefore we have a revolving door system in place.  What makes us seemingly weak is that we have a long term injury list. Some players who return from injury, re injure themselves normally for the same problem.  Many yers ago a top sports physiotherapist  from a top EPL made a statement that lack of stretching was a cause of groin and hamstring problems. My step was a very good martial artist who always stretched never suffered from groin or hamstring injuries. I am not saying that injuries can occur in other sports. I would like to the club take aside 6 young reserves players and have them concentrate on skills ,endurance and strength and then re introduce into the reserves. We also must look at our training staff (coaches) someone(s) must take the fall. We as a club should have ( in hindsight) kept Pedo , it is not necessary to have a tall ruckman is the fleas cannot take advantage.

[Elegt 872]

39 minutes ago, old dee said:

At the risk of boring everyone senseless I have been saying since day 1 he is short with average skills. That type of player does not make it at AFL level.

What do you think Jason Taylor's reasoning was for drafting him? Baffles me

[nosoupforme 3,085]

5 hours ago, Elegt said:

Kielty-might make it

Petty-too skinny and too raw

Spargo-no pace and can't find the goals

Maynard-vanilla with no pace

Chandler-likely prospect

Jordan-dud

Stick around  Petty might be in next week.  Have you been watching  ?   However Keilty deserves a game poor sole hard done by. 

[dave 183]

7 hours ago, Elegt said:

For a pick in the 30s he is very underwhelming so far

FFS he’s been at club 6 months 

[John Demonic 5,850]

4 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Stick around  Petty might be in next week.  Have you been watching  ?   However Keilty deserves a game poor sole hard done by. 

He's been stood on by the coaches

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, dave said:

FFS he’s been at club 6 months 

And hes barely 18.   Writing him off now is absurd.

[Sydee 4,529]

13 hours ago, old dee said:

At the risk of boring everyone senseless I have been saying since day 1 he is short with average skills. That type of player does not make it at AFL level.

I think that's a bit simplistic - Do you remember a guy called Greg Williams? 3cm taller, arguably slower but very very handy player

I'm not saying Charlie is the next Greg Williams but his skills are good and he usually creates opportunities with possession. His challenge is to build a bigger tank, get stronger and to run all day and get the ball more often. These are not going to come easily so he has work ahead but from the little, I have seen he certainly does not lack the desire for success

The coaching staff obviously see potential I think in two years time we will know if he's going to make it or not - too early to write him off IMO 

[ManDee 7,222]

16 hours ago, Elegt said:

For a pick in the 30s he is very underwhelming so far

Seriously?

Here are the 2018 draft picks in the 30's

As none of them have played a game yet I would argue that he is equal to the best in that group. Please engage brain before typing you may look less of a goose.

30	Adelaide	Will Hamill	Adelaide	0
2	31	West Coast	Luke Foley	West Coast	0
2	32	Fremantle	Luke Valente	Fremantle	0
2	33	Melbourne	James Jordan	Melbourne	0
2	34	GWS	Kieren Briggs A	GWS	0
2	35	West Coast	Bailey Williams	West Coast	0
2	36	Brisbane	Thomas Berry	Brisbane	0
2	37	Western Bulldogs	Laitham Vandermeer	Western Bulldogs	0
2	38	Essendon	Irving Mosquito A	Essendon	0
2	39	West Coast	Jarrod Cameron A	West Coast	0

[old dee 23,871]

47 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I think that's a bit simplistic - Do you remember a guy called Greg Williams? 3cm taller, arguably slower but very very handy player

I'm not saying Charlie is the next Greg Williams but his skills are good and he usually creates opportunities with possession. His challenge is to build a bigger tank, get stronger and to run all day and get the ball more often. These are not going to come easily so he has work ahead but from the little, I have seen he certainly does not lack the desire for success

The coaching staff obviously see potential I think in two years time we will know if he's going to make it or not - too early to write him off IMO 

I think we are going to disagree sydee. However if what you say is correct why is he in the senior side? It would seem following what you said he is not ready yet.

[dazzledavey36 55,318]

9 hours ago, dave said:

FFS he’s been at club 6 months 

 

7 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

And hes barely 18.   Writing him off now is absurd.

 

35 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Seriously?

Here are the 2018 draft picks in the 30's

As none of them have played a game yet I would argue that he is equal to the best in that group. Please engage brain before typing you may look less of a goose.

30	Adelaide	Will Hamill	Adelaide	0
2	31	West Coast	Luke Foley	West Coast	0
2	32	Fremantle	Luke Valente	Fremantle	0
2	33	Melbourne	James Jordan	Melbourne	0
2	34	GWS	Kieren Briggs A	GWS	0
2	35	West Coast	Bailey Williams	West Coast	0
2	36	Brisbane	Thomas Berry	Brisbane	0
2	37	Western Bulldogs	Laitham Vandermeer	Western Bulldogs	0
2	38	Essendon	Irving Mosquito A	Essendon	0
2	39	West Coast	Jarrod Cameron A	West Coast	0

Why are you guys engaging with this troll? Its well known now that he's only discussion has been his criticism of the young players we drafted last year and Jason Taylor in general. Lets not let facts get in a good way that James Jordan was the youngest player drafted last year.. its obvious it will take time for him.

Time to stop giving the [censored] air time.

[Sydee 4,529]

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

I think we are going to disagree sydee. However if what you say is correct why is he in the senior side? It would seem following what you said he is not ready yet.

I certainly wasn't saying he is ready nor was I suggesting he should be an automatic selection in the senior side - far from it

However, I do see potential and I do think he has more chance to succeed than some others

Only time will tell - what I will say is that I have seen enough of Charlie to know he won't die wondering 

[nosoupforme 3,085]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

I think we are going to disagree sydee. However if what you say is correct why is he in the senior side? It would seem following what you said he is not ready yet.

Come on OD the kid is 19 and some take time. You have your opinion and so does sydee . He has time on his side to improve getting fitter and stronger at 22 he could end up being a very valuable player. 

Have the patience Spargo shows potential .We are all on the same side so give him the space.  Wait and see.

[old dee 23,871]

8 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

Come on OD the kid is 19 and some take time. You have your opinion and so does sydee . He has time on his side to improve getting fitter and stronger at 22 he could end up being a very valuable player. 

Have the patience Spargo shows potential .We are all on the same side so give him the space.  Wait and see.

Happy for you and sydee to have a higher opinion I just don't share it. 

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

I think Maynard and Sparrow become important.  Our current midfield are ‘get ball, butcher ball’ at the moment.  I could see a role for different players in the guts, and shifting Brayshaw and even Oliver outside at times to get better value out of them.  30 possessions and 25 turnovers and 5 passes to players under heaps of pressure is not really a good day out for the team.

I think Petty and Kielty must be really close, and if they can show form would add significant value to the main squad.  I also see OMac as worth watching - can he discover his form?

Chandler, Bedford and Jordon (and Bradtke) are really early in their careers, so let them build into the game.

Oskar Baker is returning from long term injury, so I suspect needs a few games to get going before he would even be looked at.

I would not write off any of these guys.  It is unfortunate that they are even in the conversation by necessity at this stage.

[demoniac 1,336]

19 hours ago, Elegt said:

For a pick in the 30s he is very underwhelming so far

I thought he showed some nice signs v Box Hill, looks athletic and reasonable skills.

Chandler looked better than his draft profiles in Box Hill game. 17 possessions and 2 goals. Ran to good spots, clean hands and reasonable disposal. Baker has not shown much this season.

Fair to say if you've got a bit of speed, can run and carry then there are a few spots available in the ones.

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

No KK.... disappointing

[Return to Glory 8,448]

Bedford is the one I was originally excited about but forgot about him amongst all the doom and gloom. I have no idea of his form in Casey (has he played) but he certainly does have the capacity to make things happen. Right now he'd need to have the abilities of Mandrake the Magician to be of assistance but would love to see him get a run in the ones later in the year.

[DV8 2,271]

8 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

I think Maynard and Sparrow become important.  Our current midfield are ‘get ball, butcher ball’ at the moment.  I could see a role for different players in the guts,

totally agree,  'bk_nkd'.   Some different coalface with some run. I think is needed

8 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

and shifting Brayshaw and even Oliver outside at times to get better value out of them.  30 possessions and 25 turnovers and 5 passes to players under heaps of pressure is not really a good day out for the team.

We have been butchering the ball so badly from our clearances,  its a disgrace.

Oli and Brayshaw, some of our worst.

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Bedford is the one I was originally excited about but forgot about him amongst all the doom and gloom. I have no idea of his form in Casey (has he played) but he certainly does have the capacity to make things happen. Right now he'd need to have the abilities of Mandrake the Magician to be of assistance but would love to see him get a run in the ones later in the year.

Kade chandler is the one I am quietly excited about.

Would love to see Bedford explode, he has talent...  hopefully he isnt another Dion Johnstone.

[Boots and all 1,000]

On 4/25/2019 at 8:53 PM, Elegt said:

What do you think Jason Taylor's reasoning was for drafting him? Baffles me

He definitely has the footy smarts, unfortunately it's offset by his stature and lack of pace. I'd say he would have looked really classy with excellent decision making in the junior leagues. But gee it takes a pretty special player (not meaning to sound like brooose) to make it at afl level with his dimensions.

[WERRIDEE 5,503]

Is this game on the radio?

[old dee 23,871]

16 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

No KK.... disappointing

He was the steak knives in the May deal DJ. Between injuries and concussion issues was never going to make it at GCS. Similar is happening already with us. Sadly his body is not up to the rigours of AFL.

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

On 4/25/2019 at 5:07 PM, Sydee said:

Petty I think can make it in time - but probably needs exactly that - time. It's a bit weird though that some people are happy to let Weideman learn to be a footballer taking space up in the ones but not Petty who in my mind would most likely contribute just as much

Bit harsh on Spargo - he does need to build an engine and play midfield rather than undersized small forward  

Chandler I have not seen so can't comment

Concur on the others  

I reckon, given back the years, that I could make some good footballers, not champions, out of Keilty, TSmith, Spargo, Lockhardt and Chandler - given a sustained exposure. Add to that JSmith when recovered and Baker after some more exposure. Maynard needs attention with speed and teaming, and should get that focus straight away. There is good stuff there - and I wish I was in Viccy to see Casey play often. There's  bound to be some additional talent that I am currently unaware of at this point. After all, Casey is a feeder for the big time yet many are languishing at the periphery without roadtests.