On 24/04/2019 at 21:43, Jibroni said:

Wèed needs to go with TMac back in the forward line, play Kelty or Petty down back.

Retire Lewis, say goodbye to ANB and work from there. 

Agree with this, I’d give Baker a go for ANB, both Keilty and Petty down back, TMac Preuss in forward line

  On 25/04/2019 at 11:47, Nasher said:

@praha- it’s also within threads. Nathan Jones should apparently stand aside cos this dude thinks he isn’t worthy of second place on our all times games list.

First, Nasher, I'm not "this dude" but a member with an opinion to share.

Second, he shouldn't stand aside because I think he's unworthy of second place but because he isn't up to it at the moment.

Understand?

  On 25/04/2019 at 14:18, the rolling fog said:

Chatting with non-MFC supporters last night at the bar post-match the consistent theme is from them is that we're too polite with no mongrel whatsoever 

Yes Rolling Fog, our players are far too polite. Unfortunately they're more polite than some of the contributors to Demonland.

  On 25/04/2019 at 08:02, leave it to deever said:

We saw what Sam can do in last years finals when he was awesome.

He is seriously down on confidence. Apart from running under the mark.. his lack of tackling was dissappointing so his efforts to trap the ball in were less than Preuss.

Having said that I have no answers. i feel that apart from omac up ff we have exhausted most options.

Recruiting an experienced proven ff and crumber is a must over summer.

How do we get players confident again?

See my earlier comments on umpiring. Recognition through protection and reward are vital.

When the coach tells you to put your head over the ball and it gets hit, ground into the dirt, or pulled off by an opponent with no protection or reward you lose confidence. When you play in front as instructed by the coach but are not rewarded or protected when pushed out or ridden into the ground you lose confidence.

when you tackle as instructed and the ball spills free but you are not rewarded you lose confidence.

When this effort is not rewarded and you see your opponents executing the same actions and getting rewarded you not only lose confidence but you become frustrated.

We must approach the umpires to find out why our structures or techniques are wrong.

We have the most dominating ruckman who has received no support and often is penalised for action which are used against him. Receivers of his efforts are pushed and scragged with no protection. Our Forwards who are pushed under the ball or held out of contests do not seem to receive the same rewards that our opponents do when they receive similar treatment. Our defenders are penalised for chopping, holding or blocking when opponents appear to use the same tactics without punishment.

That the punishment or lack of reward often significantly effects our flow and places our players out of position our structures or techniques must be wrong.

We must talk with the rule makers to correct our structures or techniques so that our players can play with the confidence and flair to make our beautiful game more attractive..

  On 25/04/2019 at 11:06, spirit of norm smith said:

What’s to come in ? Really? Only Preuss.  

We have 6-7 best 22 players out.  We got rid of our depth.  

In:

1. Hard at it footy. Grit. Knockons. Shepherds. Smothers. 

2. Gut running. No walking. INTENSITY TO GET TO EACH CONTEST  

3. Kick to the hotspot about 15-20 out from goals. NOT TO THE FUC$)N POCKET 

4. Discipline.  No stupid high tackles. It’s the waist every time 

5. Identify the other clubs strategy. Example: We let Houli have 25 kicks unmarked.  He was their defensive rebounder.

6. “Connect forward of centre” a Goodwin-ism. BS really but it means kick to find a player  

7. One up one down. Under 8s stuff. One up at the contests and the other crumbs. We are dumb  

8. Break tackles. Get your arms free. Pendlebury is the master   

9. Quick ball movement.  We must play on. Slow and wide gets killed  

10. Kicking for goal.  Practice practice practice. We have been ok in 2019 even but it’s still CRITICAL 

AND 

11. Stop overhandballing around in circles or useless handball to someone standing RIGHT NEXT TO YOU often meaning they get caught with the footy  

 

All good points. Intensity seems also a key. We break down when off balance or caused to rush but do no apply the same intensity to opponents who are able to balance and deliver. Again a confidence that this intensity will be recognised by the officiating umpires is needed to allow confidence in application.

  On 25/04/2019 at 12:00, At the break of Gawn said:

I just want to see more midfield rotation during the game. Collingwood are the best at cycling through their midfield and we need to do it better too. It’s how we are going to overcome our two way running issue.

Midfield: Cycle Brayshaw, Oliver, Viney, Harmes, AnB, Melksham, Petracca, Salem, Jones, Garlett. 

Wings: Cycle through Stretch, Hunt, Brayshaw, Fritsch.

Forwards: core players being Tmac, Weid or Smith (whoever is selected), Lockhart. Preuss when not rucking.

Defence: Core being Frost, Hore, Omac, Lewis.

Hibberd on Breust

Hore  on Gunston 

Frost on Roughead 

Omac on Mitchell Lewis

If Preuss plays, they’ll put Ceglar on him.

 

Like that rotation model. I have called it churn and allows players to move through areas. Requires awareness by and of teamates to ensure there is alignment and cover . Biggest problem is avoiding negative match ups.

  On 25/04/2019 at 15:28, Fanatique Demon said:

First, Nasher, I'm not "this dude" but a member with an opinion to share.

Second, he shouldn't stand aside because I think he's unworthy of second place but because he isn't up to it at the moment.

Understand?

Sorry, frustration gets the better of me sometimes. 

With regards to Jones - he’s struggling for sure, however I can’t see him being dropped. There’s at least 3 players I can think of that would be first and there are zero players at Casey better than him. He will be persevered with for some time yet. As for the games record, if it’s irrelevant as you’re now saying, then I’m not sure why you brought it up in the first place. Your whole post was centred around him not being worthy for holding these records, I’m not sure what else you were expecting us to conclude.

  On 25/04/2019 at 21:36, Nasher said:

Sorry, frustration gets the better of me sometimes. 

With regards to Jones - he’s struggling for sure, however I can’t see him being dropped. There’s at least 3 players I can think of that would be first and there are zero players at Casey better than him. He will be persevered with for some time yet. As for the games record, if it’s irrelevant as you’re now saying, then I’m not sure why you brought it up in the first place. Your whole post was centred around him not being worthy for holding these records, I’m not sure what else you were expecting us to conclude.

You are not alone frustration is a corner stone of being a MFC supporter. Back to Jones you are correct there is no one better available in fact there is no one even close to his current form. With our injuries list I think you can be confident he will play ever game this year. Next year, I reckon he will get a one year deal and he will take it as he will still be better than the replacements have to offer. Now that maybe an indictment on our mid fielders list but IMO it is a fact.

You're right. The cupboard is bare. And he's the captain so it's unlikely he'll get dropped. Hardly the way to earn most games in the famous #2. In my humble opinion.

  On 25/04/2019 at 11:50, Farmer said:

 

You guys are pathetic. Viney no great loss? You have to be kidding. And  Jones was B o G three weeks ago

Ok please feel free to list what Viney brings to the table in a footy sense.

I'll give you one

Manic attack on the ball, that's it!  the other positives are???

  On 25/04/2019 at 11:06, spirit of norm smith said:

What’s to come in ? Really? Only Preuss.  

We have 6-7 best 22 players out.  We got rid of our depth.  

In:

1. Hard at it footy. Grit. Knockons. Shepherds. Smothers. 

2. Gut running. No walking. INTENSITY TO GET TO EACH CONTEST  

3. Kick to the hotspot about 15-20 out from goals. NOT TO THE FUC$)N POCKET 

4. Discipline.  No stupid high tackles. It’s the waist every time 

5. Identify the other clubs strategy. Example: We let Houli have 25 kicks unmarked.  He was their defensive rebounder.

6. “Connect forward of centre” a Goodwin-ism. BS really but it means kick to find a player  

7. One up one down. Under 8s stuff. One up at the contests and the other crumbs. We are dumb  

8. Break tackles. Get your arms free. Pendlebury is the master   

9. Quick ball movement.  We must play on. Slow and wide gets killed  

10. Kicking for goal.  Practice practice practice. We have been ok in 2019 even but it’s still CRITICAL 

AND 

11. Stop overhandballing around in circles or useless handball to someone standing RIGHT NEXT TO YOU often meaning they get caught with the footy  

 

12.  Stick up for your mates.  If someone gets hit or harassed (aka Gawn) or takes a cheap shot (Martin on Hibberd), then you must take a stand.  But remember, hit hard and fair. 

  On 25/04/2019 at 00:43, Nasher said:

If we drop Weideman for Preuss, our tall forwards are Preuss and Smith. Preuss was going alright before the injury but I’m still pretty unconvinced he’s any good as a forward. If he’s not marking it there’s not much else he does - he doesn’t know when or how to bring ground players in to play, and he is too slow to do anything about half backs who want to escape with the ball. I liked Smith’s game last night, but he’s a medium sized forward who is borderline AFL level. He tries his guts out though, which is hard not to love.

We’ve definitely got a problem at the moment as Weid was hopeless again last night, but I’m still confident he’s got the right attributes and will come good. If you drop him now and go with a makeshift Preuss/Smith forward line, I see that as giving up on the forward line before the game has even started. At least with Weideman in, there’s at least some prospect of the miraculous happening and they start to fire, no matter how minute it is.

I hope the TMac back thing is only temporary. We desperately need him to return to last year’s forward marking form.

Agree.

I'm hopeful we're just using Tom in the backline to get him more involved in the play and to fill a need until either Oscar changes his form around at the VFL or we get May/Lever back.

We won't go anywhere without Tom as an in-form leading/marking key forward so we simply have to get him back there at some point soon.

Smith's a limited footballer who might work as a third tall in place of Hannan but isn't skilled enough to be a second tall. Preuss is a nice bit of fun down there but as a number one target without Tom or Weideman, I can't see him doing anywhere near enough.

  On 25/04/2019 at 03:16, Clint Bizkit said:

I just tried to think of some changes but I have no idea who actually could come in.

Our depth is woeful.

We're playing our depth.

Kolodjashnij, J Smith, vandenBerg, Hannan, Lever, Jetta, May and now Viney are all forced outs and all (except maybe Kolodjashnij are best 22).

That puts 6-7 players into the side who ordinarily wouldn't be there.

Lockhart. Tmcd. Hore

Salem. Frost. Hibberd

Brayshaw. Maynard. Stretch

Petracca. TSmith. Melksham. 

Garlett. Preuss. Fritsch. 

Gawn Harmes Oliver 

Jones Sparrow Lewis Hunt

emerg  Jordon Chandler Keilty 

Bring in 3 hard nuts. 

ins. Preuss. Sparrow. Maynard 

outs Weideman. Anb. Viney (inj) 

  On 25/04/2019 at 16:26, dpositive said:

All good points. Intensity seems also a key. We break down when off balance or caused to rush but do no apply the same intensity to opponents who are able to balance and deliver. Again a confidence that this intensity will be recognised by the officiating umpires is needed to allow confidence in application.

Strength & Conditioning.  Off the line speed also missing.

Just my op but from what ive witnessed this season, the FD hasn't gotten our boys (the ones who had a full pre-season) to a level that enables them to compete with the best.

We are getting matched with intensity around the ball (vs last season) by more teams, burst speed away from congestion (and direct opponent) and endurance running by most opponents in most quarters, the Swans an exception.  The above issues masked somewhat on a smaller ground.

Edited April 26, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

I'd  stick with Weid. Probably play Pettraca on the wing or half back flank. Maybe take a punt on chandler or baker or both.

  On 25/04/2019 at 14:18, the rolling fog said:

Chatting with non-MFC supporters last night at the bar post-match the consistent theme is from them is that we're too polite with no mongrel whatsoever 

WE are,  the Most politically correct club,  in the AFL.

This translates into a very conservative Brand...  in Contradiction to the way,  'WE want to Play'.

 

Our roots over North side,   influnence our on-field Brand.    AND our recruiting decisions,  as well

We need to be a harder,  nastier,  'competitive'  Footy club.

  On 26/04/2019 at 09:17, DV8 said:

WE are,  the Most politically correct club,  in the AFL.

This translates into a very conservative Brand...  in Contradiction to the way,  'WE want to Play'.

 

Our roots over North side,   influnence our on-field Brand.    AND our recruiting decisions,  as well

We need to be a harder,  nastier,  'competitive'  Footy club.

Being unpleasant doesn’t translate into a better game plan, or faster, more skilled players. And what do you mean by our roots over North side? Broadmeadows? I hear they’re fairly tough there!

Edited April 27, 20196 yr by My name is legion

Can’t go with Weid at FF again. Send to CHB to get involved, run jump and punch the prune away or back to Casey with a clear target ... 4 x 3+ goal games in a row or no return to the seniors. 

Also cannot play Hunt as small forward. Not his go at all. HBF/Wing or don’t play him.

6 games to the bye.

The team showed some good signs on Wed night.  imv only essential (injury) changes until the bye. 

Let the current selected team settle and let the coaches experiment with positional moves, strategy tweaks and tactics with them. 

After the bye, bring back the longer term injuries and we go again.  Really important to have a good second half of the year.

So changes this week: Viney and ANB if he doesn't recover.

Edited April 27, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 27/04/2019 at 00:19, Matsuo Basho said:

Can’t go with Weid at FF again. Send to CHB to get involved, run jump and punch the prune away or back to Casey with a clear target ... 4 x 3+ goal games in a row or no return to the seniors. 

Also cannot play Hunt as small forward. Not his go at all. HBF/Wing or don’t play him.

And PLEASE put Fritsch back in the forwardline.

  On 27/04/2019 at 00:24, My name is legion said:

And PLEASE put Fritsch back in the forwardline.

Agree although I’d play him on the wing. He is as close to a pure wingman as we have on the list. Does not have the physicality necessary to handle roles in defence.

Would love to see Sparrow, Baker and Petty’s form demand selection before the bye.  If two of these three could play out the year, that would be a big plus in a pretty dark season.

Would also like to see ANB tried down back.  Tackling, running and 1 percenters are a strength of his game; give him a job and a man to follow.

  On 27/04/2019 at 00:11, My name is legion said:

Being unpleasant doesn’t translate into a better game plan, or faster, more skilled players. And what do you mean by our roots over North side? Broadmeadows? I hear they’re fairly tough there!

Where is our training complex the Mcc have set us up with... where is our social club within the Mcg?

How have the Mcc aided us in our recruitment dept' ? 

 

The Mcc has bludged off our backs,  and more recently the other Co tenants.

They sent us OFF from training on the Mcg...  to Junction Oval,  a place that was to small and the cricket club had priority. Out odf spite because Mfc wanted bigger roms for Gym and better social facilities.

So they roped of the centre wicket area at first,  and then packed us off to St-Kilda.

 

Now there is your UN-Pleasentries from  the Mcc... right there.

Listened to the Casey-Richmond game, and if Keilty doesn't debut vs the hawks its pitchfork time!

  On 27/04/2019 at 06:37, Petraccattack said:

Listened to the Casey-Richmond game, and if Keilty doesn't debut vs the hawks its pitchfork time!

Not like our match committee to make sound decisions..