POST GAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[picket fence 17,978]

  15 hours ago, picket fence said:

MEMO COACHING STAFF

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE MAKE BACHAR HOULI ACCOUNTABLE, OTHERWISE HE WILL PICK UP 40 + DAMAGING POSSESSIONS ACROSS HALF BACK 

PAAAAAAAAALEEEEAAAASEEE!!

Gee good to see coaching staff listened to that message, Yep absolutely!!!!

[chook fowler 19,694]

I thought the back half was quite reasonable last night - they eventually caved in under the weight of numbers. The problem is starting with an unaccountable midfield and the worst set of forwards - ever.

Edited April 24, 2019 by chook fowler

[The Stigga 1,096]

All is not well in the State of Denmark...

[—coach— 3,496]

12 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I thought the kick outs were excellent last night

Lewis and Salem nailed some rippers

It was quite bizarre and I commented on this on the game day thread, there were a number of instances where we kicked out from a behind straight up the guts of the ground right into the hands of one of our own. And you’re thinking awesome how good was that...

...then immediately the player plays on and kicks perpendicular right out to the wing! inline with where the player had the ball all ready, so instead of just continuing down the corridor and taking one kick to get inside 50 in an extremely quick and efficient fashion, we are 2-3 kicks away from forward 50 and giving the opposition forever to get back and flood our forward 50

[Demon Dynasty 17,133]

58 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

There are simple reasons why we can't connect going i50

- in the last two years we have let go (for good reason) most of our best field kicks to i50 in Watts and Hogan (when he played upfield) and to some extent Kent.  Complemented by Hannan and Fritsch we were getting enough qulaity delivery to offset the butchering and blind bombs from our midfielders.  By sheer weight of i50 numbers we scored often enough to win. 

- Fritsch is no longer the link-up player we lauded him for (correctly) as the Watts replacement but he is now languishing in defence.

- When Hogan played fwd he would mark or bring the ball to ground (then sulk) giving us a chance at ground level.

Our problem was not letting players go.  It is the cumulative effect of all of them going/not being played in the fwd half without their skills being replaced.   So our i50 are now appalling in quantity and quality, our forwards aren't experienced enough against good defenders and there is no one to create a contest in the air. 

Of course their are other i50 connect problems but I believe they start from the above. 

Well put LH.  I was strong on Watts staying for the the two redeeming features he had....the best delivery man coming inside 50 in the AFL AND he was a very good finisher in front of goal.  Why you would give that up without having a solid replacement or two or grooming players that could do the job beggars belief 

Goody may have thought overwhelming amounts of rubbish bombing inside 50 would get the chocolates as long as we locked it in there often enough.  Well other teams have unravelled that plan and we are now devoid of quality delivery.

Watts wasn't irreplaceable by any means, but once gone we needed to groom both Salem and Fritschkrieg to the wings.  Our two most accurate disposals by foot. 

Instead we've had both of them playing mostly down back...unable to impact with kicks inside 50.  Nice work by the FD.  Let the carnage continue! ????

[old dee 24,003]

2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Well put LH.  I was strong on Watts staying for the the two redeeming features he had....the best delivery man coming inside 50 in the AFL AND he was a very good finisher in front of goal.  Why you would give that up without having a solid replacement or two or grooming players that could do the job beggars belief 

Goody may have thought overwhelming amounts of rubbish bombing inside 50 would get the chocolates as long as we locked it in there often enough.  Well other teams have unravelled that plan and we are now devoid of quality delivery.

Watts wasn't irreplaceable by any means, but once gone we needed to groom both Salem and Fritschkrieg to the wings.  Our two most accurate disposals by foot. 

Instead we've had both of them playing mostly down back...unable to impact with kicks inside 50.  Nice work by the FD.  Let the carnage continue! ????

I keep asking why was the best KPF we had traded out for a lazy over weight Back man who cannot get on the field?

i doubt the fat man from the north wil get on the field this year.

Great recruiting there coach.

 

[Skuit 10,031]

8 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

We asked Goodwin to make positional changes. He did. 

We asked him to loosen the aggressive nature of our forward press. He did.

Two points alone worth repeating here. And those positional changes were half inspired. Indeed, I had the sense that Goodwin had been reading Demonland during the week. Didn't someone here raise the wacky notion of Hibberd or the like going to Dusty?

I've given grief to Richmond for being an ordinary team over the past few years, but they do a few things well, and they did them exceptionally well against us: keep knocking the the ball forward and again and again and keep up the pressure.

They were also super-sharp at handballing out of congestion. We tried. Goodwin tried. We were inferior on the night. This wasn't the same loss as in recent weeks. I agree with Max or whoever said we showed improvement, but as to an altered game-plan.

[Superunknown 4,241]

Am I the only one who thinks viney is a liability 

[buck_nekkid 6,068]

1 minute ago, Superunknown said:

Am I the only one who thinks viney is a liability 

He might be better served as a half back, where he has a little more time to decide.  His panicky rubbish dish offs are embarrassing.  Getting knocked over by the work experience kid was also embarrassing.

[Skuit 10,031]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

There are simple reasons why we can't connect going i50

- in the last two years we have let go (for good reason) most of our best field kicks to i50 in Watts and Hogan (when he played upfield) and to some extent Kent.  Complemented by Hannan and Fritsch we were getting enough qulaity delivery to offset the butchering and blind bombs from our midfielders.  By sheer weight of i50 numbers we scored often enough to win. 

- Fritsch is no longer the link-up player we lauded him for (correctly) as the Watts replacement but he is now languishing in defence.

- When Hogan played fwd he would mark or bring the ball to ground (then sulk) giving us a chance at ground level.

Our problem was not letting players go.  It is the cumulative effect of all of them going/not being played in the fwd half without their skills being replaced.   So our i50 are now appalling in quantity and quality, our forwards aren't experienced enough against good defenders and there is no one to create a contest in the air. 

Of course their are other i50 connect problems but I believe they start from the above. 

I think I agree with most of the above but still can't help but feel that you're gas-lighting LH.

[Nasher 33,617]

10 hours ago, Smokey said:

this is going to be a very telling post game interview from goody. 

I want to see him angry. I want to see him irrational. If I have to listen to him telling us that this isn’t our brand and that we will improve I will lose it. 

You want to see the coach irrational?

[John Crow Batty 8,881]

8 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Am I the only one who thinks viney is a liability 

Viney, Jones and Lewis. Only one of the three should be playing. Viney and Jones are untouchables as captains. Lewis is the only one that offers a skerrick of leadership and better ball use but slow and exposed at times. Two of these have to be dropped. Viney and Jones are momentum killers and aside from burying their heads in packs offer nothing. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by america de cali

[Superunknown 4,241]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

Viney, Jones and Lewis. Only one of the three should be playing. Viney and Jones are untouchables as captains. Lewis is the only one that offers a skerrick of leadership and better ball use. Two of these have to be dropped. Viney and Jones are momentum killers. 

I honestly can’t think of anyone who could:should be captain and that is pretty terrible 

it’s beginning to feel like we need a rebuild and not just on field 

 

woe betide

[Superunknown 4,241]

I wonder if north Melbourne fans lurk here to make themselves feel more positive 

I know I would 

[Jaded No More 68,975]

46 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I thought the kick outs were excellent last night

Lewis and Salem nailed some rippers

Agreed. Shame we couldn’t hit a target beyond the kick out. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,449]

10 hours ago, Redleg said:

2 tackles inside our forward 50 speaks for itself

 

That is the most damning stat I've seen. Unacceptable.

[Deesprate 1,324]

Was at the game and just to punish myself watched the replay. To me the worst part of the performance was how many times we kicked blindly particularly to the middle of the ground giving the Tigers direct access to score. Also contrast our forward pressure to Richmond. How many times did Richmond set up and waltz out of the back line. For those who propose Garrlet as some out of answer your kidding yourself. There is no place in the game for someone who can’t apply forward pressure he need to go and now.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

22 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Am I the only one who thinks viney is a liability 

No

But to be fair our whole starting mids are if they are not winning the ball.

Our starting mids are slow (Viney, Harmes, Oliver & Brayshaw - even Gawn but we are not talking rucks)

They can win the ball but they can't chase or kick.... It's a massive problem

[Deesprate 1,324]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That is the most damning stat I've seen. Unacceptable.

Absolutely key stat. The back line was not to bad our forward line pathetic

[Mondê 525]

First post of the year. You can feel the raw disappointment of the supporters everywhere, it's real.

My observations align with many already have touched on - the players appear bereft of confidence in both each other and as the weeks go by, the gameplan. Although we were mildly successful last season, the signs were there. The game against Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval, astonishing number of inside 50s for little reward. Stkilda cutting us to ribbons at the G (scarily similar to last week). Anzac Eve, Queens Birthday. We looked exposed in those matches and people forgot because we beat a weak Geelong and an undermanned Hawthorn. 

The fact is - we're a young side, with a hell of a lot of upside that probably overachieved in 2018. Getting rid of Hogan hurts us on field in the short term but was in my opinion the right call to make for the long term due to non- football related issues. 

The player we miss the most is Vandenberg, his tackling pressure is inspirational and is deceivingly damaging with his disposal. He can't get fit quick enough. 

Hang tough guys, some positives to come out of the season so far - Salem is leading the bluey by a mile. Stellar season so far from Christian we all love his poise at times when everybody else is panicking and missing targets. We have the pillars to build a team around, sadly most of them are coming into the year severely under done. Dip into the draft this year and grab forwards and outside runners. Go hard at high end free agents. We'll be right. 

[leave it to deever 17,592]

14 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

I honestly can’t think of anyone who could:should be captain and that is pretty terrible 

it’s beginning to feel like we need a rebuild and not just on field 

 

woe betide

You know thongs are bad when statements like this are made.

Salem the most consistent but made some poor choices as well last night.

[Demonsone 2,050]

Crows finished on top 2017 & lost the GF

2018 was a disaster with internal issues the cause resulting in finishing 12th

Bottom line is you need all facets of the club going right to continue success & it appears we once again have succumbed to them.

Players have clearly turned up in poor shape which is what Roos has eluded & along with extensive injury list has exposed the cracks.

The misery continues 55 years strong!

 

 

[leave it to deever 17,592]

4 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

No

But to be fair our whole starting mids are if they are not winning the ball.

Our starting mids are slow (Viney, Harmes, Oliver & Brayshaw - even Gawn but we are not talking rucks)

They can win the ball but they can't chase or kick.... It's a massive problem

First the backline imploded.

Then the forward line collapsed.

Now the mids have joined them.

Omg Mfc.

 

[Deesprate 1,324]

28 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Am I the only one who thinks viney is a liability 

Sorry but totally don’t agreee with this. Give his all and play an inside mid role. Has limit but liability is way over the top!

[Deesprate 1,324]

6 minutes ago, Mondê said:

First post of the year. You can feel the raw disappointment of the supporters everywhere, it's real.

My observations align with many already have touched on - the players appear bereft of confidence in both each other and as the weeks go by, the gameplan. Although we were mildly successful last season, the signs were there. The game against Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval, astonishing number of inside 50s for little reward. Stkilda cutting us to ribbons at the G (scarily similar to last week). Anzac Eve, Queens Birthday. We looked exposed in those matches and people forgot because we beat a weak Geelong and an undermanned Hawthorn. 

The fact is - we're a young side, with a hell of a lot of upside that probably overachieved in 2018. Getting rid of Hogan hurts us on field in the short term but was in my opinion the right call to make for the long term due to non- football related issues. 

The player we miss the most is Vandenberg, his tackling pressure is inspirational and is deceivingly damaging with his disposal. He can't get fit quick enough. 

Hang tough guys, some positives to come out of the season so far - Salem is leading the bluey by a mile. Stellar season so far from Christian we all love his poise at times when everybody else is panicking and missing targets. We have the pillars to build a team around, sadly most of them are coming into the year severely under done. Dip into the draft this year and grab forwards and outside runners. Go hard at high end free agents. We'll be right. 

Thank Monde great post. At least now expectation is gone provides a massive opportunity to trial thing, experiment and draft to meet needs.