1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

Mentioned it before but Weed needs to go back to the seconds. 

He just can’t seem to do anything atm and we are carrying him which we can’t afford. 

I for one am with you on this.  Yes, he needs time, but playing him week in, week out will be terrible for the kids confidence. Losing Hogan has exposed him in a big way.

The pre-game was an inspiring and moving story. The first quarter a slight thriller. The rest of the game was a horror movie. I watched most of it with my hands over my eyes.

I felt tonight was a good performance from a bottom 4 side looking to make a mark

Unfortunately that's not where we want to be OR think we are

I sat with 2 former (recent) players, both solid in their MFC contribution, it was fairly well unanimously agreed that we lack kicking skills, and that this is a drafted skill, not a taught skill

We need to drafy some good kicks 

We butchered the ball tonight, there's no arguing that!

We were in the game half way through the third, I thought we were a sneaky chance to go the distance. Simply overwhelmed in the end, Tigers are not a highly skilled side but their pressure is unbelievable at times.

Numerous times our players had more time than they thought they did and needlessly just put boot to ball resulting in turnovers. That’s what the Tigers do, perceived pressure. 

I’m not sure if it’s the way the game is coached, but often players bob up in good 5-10 minute patches then they just vanish into thin air for the rest of the game. 

As for our 2 tackles inside forward 50, pretty hard to lay a tackle in there when you keep kicking the ball to their loose defenders and it pinballs straight back out.

Maxy, T Mac, Salem, Hore, Hibbo (The new Dustbuster maybe) probably our best I thought and Stretch was good too. 

One player that is struggling big time imo is Fritta, good against Sydney, two well below par performances since. 

As silly as it sounds I was a lot angrier after the Saints game. Maybe I have conceded.

I think I started typing this 5 pages ago.

Sorry, the Milkshake was good too.

Edited April 24, 20196 yr by Dee Zephyr

3 minutes ago, ThreeOneSix said:

Melksham is a great kick but we had him in the midfield early and he turned it over too much. We need a cool head in the midfield. I can only think of Fritsch. 

Fritsch panics with it a bit. We need a good decision maker and a great ball user. Salem normally is both. 

I'd stick with it for Melksham as well as normally he doesn't turn it over. Although his goal output will definitely drop. 

2, 4, 7, 10, 12, 14 (+2), ?

After supporting the Dees for 40+ years, I should have known not to entertain any prospect of getting silverware this season (or ever!), but that damn linear progression had me fooled for a while.

All I can hold on to now are the examples of the Cats and Richmond, who made finals in 2005 and 2015 respectively but fell away quite dramatically and against expectations the season after, before doing their reviews (and getting Neil Balme in footy admin) and winning their drought-breaking premierships in 2007 and 2017.

2020 for us, then. Would Balmey come back?!

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

From a macro point of view our game plan is horrible.

From a micro point of view our skills, touch, smarts and physicality are atrocious.

Our macro leads to a lack of confidence in the micro. The game plan has utterly killed confidence.

2 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

This team has never been able to handle any kind of pressure in a game. We hung in there despite showing no composure and eventually they broke it open. You could see it coming the whole time.

Brayshaw should be dropped for that effort on Riewoldt, needs to be made an example of. 

Weideman was horrific, missed the ball trying to handball it and followed it up with a smothered kick. Finally took a good mark then can't hit a 15 meter kick.

Fritsch has regressed badly, a liability even within this pathetic team.

Hibberd can't hit a target to save himself.

There is no passion in the team, Viney gets cleaned up by a 1st year player with a cheap hit of the line, then Petracca has a chance to make him earn it and puts no body on him a minute later.

Some players need to take payouts or get out, we are the worst team in the comp. 

He was a liability in defence last year too, but everyone loved him because he was a nice kick and was playing in a team that was confident. Now he's lost confidence and his only asset has deserted him. 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Stretch, Hore, Melksham, Smith and McDonald (actually defended well against Lynch) all hold your head up high.

Weideman can take his 650k and [censored] right off. In all seriousness, he is severely out of form. 

Fritsch just absolutely panicks down back. Leave him up forward Goody ffs!

I though Tmac was very average. Fumbles, no composure or confidence and his usual horrible kicking when in defence. His spoiling was a positive.... 

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Not just going forward. It's been the key characteristic of the whole year.

The other defining characteristic is that the players' confidence is completely shot, and coming up against an in-form, confident side like Richmond, only rubs their faces in it.

Tigers were ordinary tonight, in form the difference would have been at least 10 goals. 

2 hours ago, Brownie said:

Something stinks at our club.

 

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

We've been here how many times before?

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Hawks will carve us up.  We are so easy to play against, Clarkson wouldnt even need to show up to the game.

10 goal loss minimum. Their control style will maul us.

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

31% efficiency inside 50. Wooohooo!

Staggering. We managed to outdo our 37% efficiency inside 50 from Saturday. 31%?! Incredible. It really is Neeld-esque stuff. 

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Sorry Olisik, but i think most need to be shown the door.

Forward line very ineffective, team wide defense is absent and our mids refuse to run both ways.

Bring in new coaches with fresh ideas and Goodwin needs to change his coaching style............to something reminiscent of being half decent

Who's Rooke?

How did we lose our skills overnight?

It’s hard to hit a target inside 50 when no one leads at the ball carrier. They all run back towards goal demanding the footy. It calls against the basics of this game. It’s a new trend and the 666 rule has taken footy back to a traditional style, you must lead at the ball inside fifty. If we don’t improve this, we do not win another game this year

12 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

How did we lose our skills overnight?

Exactly.....They look unfit  & turned up to preseason  in poor shape!

Great culture & feel for Roos who must be thinking WTF!

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Stretch, Hore, Melksham, Smith and McDonald (actually defended well against Lynch) all hold your head up high.

Weideman can take his 650k and [censored] right off. In all seriousness, he is severely out of form. 

Fritsch just absolutely panicks down back. Leave him up forward Goody ffs!

How did you think he was when he went forward? I thought he was arguably more embarrassing.

37 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Question is why has this team unravelled in less than 6 months??

You don't lose talent, Im questioning on what shape did they turn up to pre season??

Roos dosent make statements without knowledge of something going on

Speaking of Roos, was our success last year purely the result of momentum gained during his coaching tenure? It seems the gameplan, work ethic instilled in the players and game day coaching he built at the club has all but evaporated. Was Goody just lucky to inherit a team on an upward trajectory? Something he could maintain for a couple of years due to the solid foundation of his predecessor. Is the rot setting in? Are we now seeing how a Simon Goodwin side plays? I am concerned, and I guess only time will tell.

 

27 minutes ago, 58er said:

Who's Rooke?

Forward line coach. 

71 inside 50s against? When was the last time we conceded anywhere near that? T Mac saw more ball tonight than he did the first 5 rounds.

I wonder what old mate Roosy thinks about the veil of negativity now. 

No other club does the sort of [censored] our club does to its supporters.

From 4th to 18th in one off season. ?

Roos seems really really [censored] when he talks about Melbourne to which I don’t blame him. He picked us up and now it’s all coming undone again.

2 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Roos seems really really [censored] when he talks about Melbourne to which I don’t blame him. He picked us up and now it’s all coming undone again.

Wouldn’t you be? Look at what Goodwin has destroyed in two years. He sacked off Watts, who Roos had got the best out of. He sacked off Hogan, who was known as Roos’ pet. He got rid of all our depth in favour of C.Wagner, Lockhart, a few late picks.

lets look at the players that we had contributions from over the 2017/2018 seasons and look who has departed:-

 

hogan

watts

kent

tyson

bugg

pederson

vince

 

look at those names. All made contributions over that period. I said at the start of the year tht I was concerned with the 7 list changes we made in the off season. It’s too many and we have not bought any real talent into the side. No wonder we have gone backwards. Roos and PJ made a massive contribution to restoring a club culture, that seems to have eroded in the space of 5 months. Welcome to ground zero. Again!

2 hours ago, Deecisive said:

i understand ANB is one of our fastest players, has the best endurance. has anyone seen any of that this year. All i saw was him running around in circles half chasing tiger players. he got a luck goal, because he was so far away from his player at the time who would if he had got the ball would have sent the tigers into attack. I do not see why this guy keeps getting games. he was dropped for a poor effort a couple of weeks ago and gets a recall based on what. .

And what's with his giant wide-open mouth when he stops running? Is he yawning?! 

His play could put me to sleep.

Speaking of ANB and apologies if I missed it, he’s listed in the injuries ( hamstring). How bad is it?

Also a tad harsh ^^^^ about the mouth thing.

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Fritsch panics with it a bit. We need a good decision maker and a great ball user. Salem normally is both. 

It's Fritsch's second season. Calmness under pressure will come.