Unusually complimentary jb. Particularly given how poor we were for the first quarter and a half. Must be a manifestation of the relief of winning!

A bit tough on melk. I thought he was a critical factor in us getting back into the game and then maintain our lead.

Kicking - turnovers kill us

Edited April 11, 20195 yr by binman

27 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I actually saw it differently.

Yes he makes mistakes,  but I thought he did his job. He was on Buddy and forced him up the ground to get most of his possessions.

He has been far better than Oscar this season and you can't drop every key back we have, until the better blokes are ready.

ATM I see Frost still in the side, ahead of Oscar, when May and Lever are back.

Frost played a smart defensive game.

Buddy is like Dusty. If they beat you to win the ball, you are better off keeping space and forcing them to their opposite side. They have too much core strength to go at them front on and try to tackle them face on. Frost kept space and did this time and time again.

One moment stood out in particular in the third. On the broadcast wing, Buddy beat Frost for the ball. Frost kept his distance and forced Buddy onto his right. It was an important moment because the Swans had 2 players streaming forward but Buddy couldn't get a clear kick to them.

Frost has the better of Buddy, and Buddy knows it.

10 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

A bit generous to Oliver I think, had some real brain fades with the ball in hands this week. Effort was great though.

Yeh I reckon he went a bit quick in the last when we needed to slow it down and take time off the clock.

 

BUT, after getting the mother-of-all knocks (Jones should get suspended), getting back on and then launching back to spoil a Sydney I50 entry and colliding, this guy has 5 stars from me every round.  Guts personified.  The MFC is so fortunate to have this guy.

28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I actually saw it differently.

Yes he makes mistakes,  but I thought he did his job. He was on Buddy and forced him up the ground to get most of his possessions.

He has been far better than Oscar this season and you can't drop every key back we have, until the better blokes are ready.

ATM I see Frost still in the side, ahead of Oscar, when May and Lever are back.

I just lol at posters who defend Frost or Oscar. 

Franklin hasn't done a pre-season in two years, his form has been extremely average. Frost marked him. That was it. Broke even if a kick wasn't to Franklin's advantage (which happened many many times). 

Do posters completely miss things like kicking it directly to an oppo player when in defensive 50? Over-running a loose ball, missing spoils, fumbling etc etc? You know those things are indicators as to whether a player has 'had a good game'? 

Look, I understand this is Demonland and there's this weird blind-faith stuff going on. 

I'm not sure if you read my post either. You must have missed the part where I said "pity we can't do anything until May and Lever are back". 

 

Buddy Franklin - One goal three

Nice job Frosty.

3 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Buddy Franklin - One goal three

Nice job Frosty.

I told yous all that buddy is our bunny!

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Frost had another poor game.

Turnovers, brain fades, body positioning. Every week he kills us. 

Pity nothing can be done until May and Lever are ready. 

He has had some poor games this year, but I thought he did alright last night on Buddy.  Made one kicking error and let Buddy out on the lead a little, but at no point did I feel like Franklin was going to rip the game apart.  That is down to a combo of his form, plus the job Frost did on him.  I think he deserves a little credit for that.

9 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Gawn... needs a gameplan

seriously... how do you dominate in the ruck but get beaten in the midfield

Goodwin... Lift your gameplan

 

8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Did you watch the second half?

The point remains... I think at one stage we lead hit outs 34-2 but the midfield was being smashed.

Gawn is a generational player that we need to leverage and it's reasonable to expect a gameplan/tactics that does that.

I'm surprised with your call on Preuss, was thinking it would go along tese lines:

Preuss - Better than Tyson

10 hours ago, rjay said:

Tmac - Lost his touch...

Tommy is really struggling with his marking at the mo...has lost all confidence.

He even 2 touched a simple gimme.

Some of it is positioning but a lot of it is touch.

Tommy gets his touch back and it makes us a much more dangerous team.

Agreed. Swap with brother.

I'm most worried when Frost would need to play on the likes of Jeremy Cameron or Jack Darling. They have the pace to match his and far better football brains. They are also not underdone like Buddy. 

I know they worry most teams though. Even with a fit Lever and May, they're match-ups that I don't like the look of.

Spargo adds a new dimension - short clever kicks to advantage. A good team needs all types and he fits this role well. As does ANB when played correctly.

Frost is filling in down back until he is freed up to become the weapon on the wing -  big, strong, extremely fast, long (albeit erratic) kick and, when in space, can be damaging in a 6-6-6 world.

Oliver needs a chill pill - not every possession has to be dynamic and instantaneous. Still learning how to pace his game but his ball winning skills are beyond stunning. Think of the double handed ball pick up at speed at the base of a pack spoiled by a hurried long kick around his body to no-one.

Gawn and Preuss's domination of the ruck and our inability to take full advantage is a long standing problem. I suspect that our mids are being asked to tag at centre bounces (why were we always behind the druggies) and they are too slow to anticipate and respond to Gawn and Preuss elsewhere. Better coaching and perhaps a better game plan for ruck contests seems to be the answer.

 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I just lol at posters who defend Frost or Oscar. 

Franklin hasn't done a pre-season in two years, his form has been extremely average. Frost marked him. That was it. Broke even if a kick wasn't to Franklin's advantage (which happened many many times). 

Do posters completely miss things like kicking it directly to an oppo player when in defensive 50? Over-running a loose ball, missing spoils, fumbling etc etc? You know those things are indicators as to whether a player has 'had a good game'? 

Look, I understand this is Demonland and there's this weird blind-faith stuff going on. 

I'm not sure if you read my post either. You must have missed the part where I said "pity we can't do anything until May and Lever are back". 

 

You obviously didn't read my post either or you would have read this " Yes he makes mistakes,  but I thought he did his job."

You disagree with that, fine.

Where is the weird blind faith, when I say he makes mistakes.

Have I likened Frost to Rance? I am not saying he is great. I am just acknowledging that I thought he did his job last night. 

If you think Frost should not be ever acknowledged for some good play, that is fine, go ahead and laugh at everyone who thought he was reasonable last night.

Personally I lol out at posters who can't see a player do anything right because they dislike them.

27 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You obviously didn't read my post either or you would have read this " Yes he makes mistakes,  but I thought he did his job."

You disagree with that, fine.

Where is the weird blind faith, when I say he makes mistakes.

Have I likened Frost to Rance? I am not saying he is great. I am just acknowledging that I thought he did his job last night. 

If you think Frost should not be ever acknowledged for some good play, that is fine, go ahead and laugh at everyone who thought he was reasonable last night.

 

He absolutely did his job. Sure he made his share of errors - but so did every other MFC player (my god there were some shocking turnovers in that first half, just appalling stuff) but he played a good game and i'm sure Goody agrees. I would not be surprised if Goody gives him a coaches vote (to be clear i'm not saying he will). 

 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Do posters completely miss things like kicking it directly to an oppo player when in defensive 50? Over-running a loose ball, missing spoils, fumbling etc etc? You know those things are indicators as to whether a player has 'had a good game'? 

Look, I understand this is Demonland and there's this weird blind-faith stuff going on. 

Steve, I know I should know better than to start an argument I don’t really have the energy to finish, but since you decided to make another site-wide snipe, I will anyway. You see yourself as a realist amongst dreamers, however to many you present yourself as rigid and stubborn. Everything you see confirms you own view, and you just toss out/disregard anything that might not. 

You’d be one of the best posters on Demonland if you opened your mind a bit and tried viewing the world through the lense of others, rather than assuming everyone else is stupid. It’s a handy skill in life in general in actual fact.

I think Frost is one of those players who if you keep it simple for, they will go well.

I think OMac's problems are a bit more pressing at the minute. I'm concerned about some of the intensity of his efforts and his inability to put on any significant condition since he arrived. It puts him behind the eight ball when your job is to stop the Hawkins', Browns and Darlings of this league. 

Frosty has a dip but there are times when he is under the misapprehension that he has Christian Salem level disposal skills and tries something teeth grindingly frustrating. Or he overshoots his kick and it leads into a dangerous turnover in the front half.

Give him a job that fits into his skill set, don't let him stay from that and he is fine. We saw that last night against Buddy.

25 minutes ago, Hillary Bray said:

I think Frost is one of those players who if you keep it simple for, they will go well.

I think OMac's problems are a bit more pressing at the minute. I'm concerned about some of the intensity of his efforts and his inability to put on any significant condition since he arrived. It puts him behind the eight ball when your job is to stop the Hawkins', Browns and Darlings of this league. 

Frosty has a dip but there are times when he is under the misapprehension that he has Christian Salem level disposal skills and tries something teeth grindingly frustrating. Or he overshoots his kick and it leads into a dangerous turnover in the front half.

Give him a job that fits into his skill set, don't let him stay from that and he is fine. We saw that last night against Buddy.

Agree 'Hillary', got to keep it simple for Frosty...

No short kicks, no switching the play, just long down the line please.

I think he also really struggles with the zone concept, needs a player to watch and that's it.

Anything more and he's done...

Melksham- Very valuable assists, or 

Got us going, or

Never wastes possession .

Get the drift?

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Agree 'Hillary', got to keep it simple for Frosty...

No short kicks, no switching the play, just long down the line please.

I think he also really struggles with the zone concept, needs a player to watch and that's it.

Anything more and he's done...

That's spot on, Frost needs to keep it simple, but he also needs a job. He has to play 1 on 1 because he just doesn't have the footy smarts to play a zone. He was good last night because he only went near the ball because Buddy was after it. Next week he needs to go to Bruce and that's it.

I thought the zone actually worked well last night, with OMac dropping deepest (his best role) and Hore, Fritsch and Wagner being more mobile. Having Buddy isolated on Frost allowed that to work.

When May and Lever are back I don't think it's a case of OMac or Frost, I think it'll depend on what roles there are to play, if we need a direct role on a mobile tall then Frost is in, if it;s a general zone then maybe a smaller guy gets the nod.  

6 hours ago, Nasher said:

Steve, I know I should know better than to start an argument I don’t really have the energy to finish, but since you decided to make another site-wide snipe, I will anyway. You see yourself as a realist amongst dreamers, however to many you present yourself as rigid and stubborn. Everything you see confirms you own view, and you just toss out/disregard anything that might not. 

You’d be one of the best posters on Demonland if you opened your mind a bit and tried viewing the world through the lense of others, rather than assuming everyone else is stupid. It’s a handy skill in life in general in actual fact.

I'll take it on board. 

Thanks. 

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

I actually saw it differently.

Yes he makes mistakes,  but I thought he did his job. He was on Buddy and forced him up the ground to get most of his possessions.

He has been far better than Oscar this season and you can't drop every key back we have, until the better blokes are ready.

ATM I see Frost still in the side, ahead of Oscar, when May and Lever are back.

Frost will become a very important player when May and Lever are back!! Bookmark this comment!

Oscar was dreadful last night

Edited April 12, 20195 yr by picket fence

Dee Team :  Off one knee_

Does anyone here see Spargo becoming anything other than "good ordinary"?

Smart, sure - but how is he going to be elite? Not tall, not quick, not a great tackler, can't kick it 40 metres and not a special set shot.

Sorry if anyone takes offence. Just asking how he becomes elite.

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Frost will become a very important player when May and Lever are back!! Bookmark this comment!

Oscar was dreadful last night

Oscar had a bad night and is out of form. But watching live, he at least got to the right spots before being beaten at the contest.

8 hours ago, Left Field said:

Oscar had a bad night and is out of form. But watching live, he at least got to the right spots before being beaten at the contest.

Indredible. 

It won't be long before it becomes, "at least he is trying".