Tanking scandal documents

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Good food for thought in Jack Russell's post above. There is a broad question here about the media's role and the public's right to know. Is it any more or less newsworthy because it's sport? Is it newsworthy ten years after the events it refers to? With respect to the first question, I think being sports-related, rather than politics, business or crime, still means it's newsworthy. As to the ten year issue, I don't see how that reduces its news value, as long as there is something new, which in this case, there is.

The bullying and harassment question is also worth considering, but I wouldn't like to see the media prevented from publishing for that reason. That would lead to the media being prevented from publishing many things that hurt other people's feelings. It would be used as a blunt censorship tool. (The better answer is to stop buying rubbish newspapers!) 

In short, I think it's newsworthy and while I don't work in the media, if I were editing the Herald Sun, I'd publish it. 

But what is new?

We knew Bailey was compromised on here 10 years ago...

[Fork 'em 7,052]

If we hadn't have tanked.
I woulda been pizzed.

[DubDee 26,674]

30 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I've just seen the Herald Sun. I think it's worth mentioning that contrary to some comments earlier today, none of the story was written by Mark Robinson (unless he's contributed to something online). It's all the work of Mick Warner, a Richmond supporter. So all that conspiracy stuff about Robbo, his being an Essendon supporter and that's why it was published today is way off the mark. In fact, it's so far off I'd suggest the mods should delete all those comments. 

you think Robbo is going to put his name to it?  he is the boss and tells his lackies what to write

[Fork 'em 7,052]

And when to print it.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Well, the Herald Sun achieved their objective in selling more newspapers and creating controversy didn't they? By dredging up old news and besmirching further the reputations of some good people without putting it in the context of the faults of the system of the time and the fact Melbourne were not the only ones to make coaching/selection/surgery/resting of players decisions during a number of seasons.

I don't care whose decision it was to publish it. It is still a low act and shameful. 

Oh, and where are the papers about what substances were injected into those young boys at Essendon, perhaps jeopardizing their future health? If they want to do some investigative journalism how about tackling that.

[Fork 'em 7,052]

Fork I hate Essendon.
Hope we smash those clowns tonight and forever more.

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Fork 'em

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

19 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But what is new?

We knew Bailey was compromised on here 10 years ago...

The transcripts. Up until now it's all been conjecture. The Herald Sun (somehow - and that's something that the AFL should be worried about) has got transcripts which definitively tell us what Bailey and others said in their interviews. 

 

[jnrmac 20,375]

15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The transcripts. Up until now it's all been conjecture. The Herald Sun (somehow - and that's something that the AFL should be worried about) has got transcripts which definitively tell us what Bailey and others said in their interviews. 

 

So they say. It remains to be seen. And two of the main players are dead. Gutter journalism at its finest. No one gives a flying 10 years on.

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

5 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So they say. It remains to be seen. And two of the main players are dead. Gutter journalism at its finest. No one gives a flying 10 years on.

the release of documents well after the event is a long practiced and ethical means of investigative journalism.

It's called public interest.

I welcome the practice and await with interest the tell all story on the Essendon saga. It will come.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[brendan 3,458]

Only way to shut all this up for now is to come out tonight and destroy the bombers, time to make a statement 

[number 27 62]

I look forward to the Essendon papers being released in a few years time. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the release of documents well after the event is a long practiced and ethical means of investigative journalism.

It's called public interest.

I welcome the practice and await with interest the tell all story on the Essendon saga. It will come.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm @Diamond_Jim

The Hun's cheer leading for Hird and all his sycophants when viewed in the light of this piece is bloody sickening. I won't say that it makes what we did right but when the time came to ask the hard questions when young men's health was at stake, we got crickets. The media boys club got around one of their own and spent the next three years deflecting.

I don't see why they wouldn't do it again.

Usually, I go into a match with a sense of dread after stuff like this blows up. I had plenty of experience with that feeling as circumstances, self inflicted and unintentional, have caused us to self destruct over the last 20 years. But you know what? I'm genuinely filthy over this. I hope to god the team comes together over this and makes a bloody statement.

This is an attack on us as a club to do nothing more than sabotage us. Fork the Hun and their little Aussie battle demographic of Hird apologists and the easily amused. I loathe that paper but I want us more than ever to stick it right up their clacker.

 

[Macca 17,127]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the release of documents well after the event is a long practiced and ethical means of investigative journalism.

It's called public interest.

I welcome the practice and await with interest the tell all story on the Essendon saga. It will come.

No it possibly won't DJ although I do hope that you are right

Essendon are well protected though ... where as we are the easy scapegoat.  There is nothing fair about this whole caper but that is the world we live in. 

My way of dealing with it all is to lose my emotional attachment to the AFL but at the same time strengthening my emotional attachment to the Demons.

It's the MFC and that is it now.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Macca

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

I see the Essendon saga tell all being in the form of a book serialised in the mainstream press. Likely author.. Caroline Wilson.

She will need an inside source and I suspect there are some that are ready to tell their story albeit anonymously. There have been some fantastic US political campaign bios written on a similar basis.

[Fork 'em 7,052]

I see Tony Shaw has had something to say about Hirds time at Essendon.
And who's come to defend Hirds honour?
You guessed it.
Hirdys biggest fan .... Slobbo.
Also seems we're not allowed to talk about it anymore as Hird has had mental health issues.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-greats-scolding-reality-check-for-james-hird/news-story/3a09fe7f86fefe57356ed962f7935388

Edited April 5, 2019 by Fork 'em

[rjay 25,424]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Considering both Schwab and Connolly (not to mention Jimmy Stynes) are great mates of Lyons from the MFC boys club I find his reaction annoying.
As if he didn't know what they were up to.
1st hand no less.
But we all know about Garrys character.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/horrible-demons-greats-react-to-fresh-report-on-melbourne-tanking-saga/news-story/93a084ab43922919802e4dc9f60de6e3

It hasn't escaped me...

Nor has Gary's leading the pack to have Bailey sacked and his input into CS retaining his job.

Great player Gary but his behind the scenes work at the club unfortunately leaves a lot to be desired.

That crew very nearly killed off the club...

[Whispering_Jack 31,368]

6 hours ago, Skuit said:

WJ - I don't have access to the documents/reports and don't know what is going on. Can you elaborate further on your response?

I'm not going to elaborate because this is in my view a filthy beat up timed by the HUN for today. If they were truly investigative reporters they would look at why the several other clubs who did exactly the same thing as Melbourne (Carlton - the club that Brock McLean went to did far worse) and got away without investigation. The Melbourne angle isn't news any more except for the Essendon interests at the HUN who showed their true colours during the drug saga.

[Clintosaurus 7,953]

22 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I see the Essendon saga tell all being in the form of a book serialised in the mainstream press. Likely author.. Caroline Wilson.

She will need an inside source and I suspect there are some that are ready to tell their story albeit anonymously. There have been some fantastic US political campaign bios written on a similar basis.

There was already one put out by Chip Le Grand. Was very much on the Essendon side of things.

[Demonland 74,430]

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[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The transcripts. Up until now it's all been conjecture. The Herald Sun (somehow - and that's something that the AFL should be worried about) has got transcripts which definitively tell us what Bailey and others said in their interviews. 

 

I take your point, but there was nothing new to anyone who followed the story closely

[rjay 25,424]

28 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I'm not going to elaborate because this is in my view a filthy beat up timed by the HUN for today. If they were truly investigative reporters they would look at why the several other clubs who did exactly the same thing as Melbourne (Carlton - the club that Brock McLean went to did far worse) and got away without investigation. The Melbourne angle isn't news any more except for the Essendon interests at the HUN who showed their true colours during the drug saga.

 

9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

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Jake hints at it here but if they're going to rehash the Melbourne thing again I wish they (someone in the media) would put it all out there...dig into why Libber recanted..look at Collingwood and WC results...replay the Wallace/Tiges story.

Look at Carlton again and again, explore the link between them and the AFL chairman.

Do a thorough job on the AFL and tanking.

Unfortunately no AFL journo has the pills to do it, the hand that feeds etc...

An outsider will have to write this story...anyone looking for a Walkley???

[brendan 3,458]

Geez Gary Lyon gives me the [censored], as if he wasn’t upto his eyeballs with all that was going on 

[The Chazz 4,077]

4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

You reckon Hawthorn and Collingwood think their flags are tainted?

No.  That's my point - they couldn't GAF because they have the silverware.

And my point is further supported by the amount of times in this thread alone that there is mention of these clubs doing it themselves, which helped lead to premierships.

The amount of top end picks that we had should've seen us have a team of champions.  Instead, we picked Watts, Scully and Trengove.  FMD. 

[Garbo 1,567]

15 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I take your point, but there was nothing new to anyone who followed the story closely

The bigger story is how Melbourne was not found guilty of tanking and simply bringing the game into disrepute given the evidence at hand which the AFL had the whole time. Clearly there was and are bigger things at play. If they lied on this you can just imagine what went on with the Essendon drugs saga 

[jane02 3,795]

4 hours ago, loges said:

10 years on does anyone even care? Refused to read the article.

Agree - the past is the past.