PREGAME: JLT 02 vs Brisbane

[pewpewpew 738]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Also, I don't mind them playing Viney, Jones and Melksham at Casey.  They clearly have a plan in mind and pre-season is all about getting things right for the real stuff - the result is meaningless.  As long as the players are fit and ready to go, then I'll be happy.

I'm fine with that too. Even if they didn't play in the twos I'd still want them for Round 1. Don't get me wrong I'm wrapped that they're getting the run. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,369]

The squad:-

1. Stephen May 
3. Christian Salem 
4. James Harmes 
5. Christian Petracca 
6. Jordan Lewis 
9. Charlie Spargo 
10. Angus Brayshaw 
11. Max Gawn 
13. Clayton Oliver 
14. Michael Hibberd 
15. Billy Stretch 
17. Sam Frost 
22. Aaron Vandenberg 
24. Jay Kennedy-Harris 
25. Tom McDonald 
26. Sam Weideman 
28. Oscar McDonald 
29. Jayden Hunt 
30. Alex Neal-Bullen 
31. Bayley Fritsch 
33. Harrison Petty 
34. Marty Hore 
39. Neville Jetta 
40. Corey Wagner 
44. Joel Smith 
45. Declan Keilty 

[Watson11 2,226]

One poor game in 39C heat for a 6ft 9"" goliath and plenty writing him off for the season. 

Quote from articles on heat stroke   " The largest athletes are the most heat-sensitive."  Another " Large people have lower surface area to volume ratios than smaller people. Evaporative surface area is relatively small in large folks so they have higher risk of developing heat stroke than smaller people."

Not surprised that Preuss was cooked after the first qtr, or TMac had a shocker.  Don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

 

[WERRIDEE 5,368]

Good looking side although the VFL will be more exciting watching 3 guns in Jones, Viney and Melksham playing. Disappointed to see Preuss in the VFL though he needed more time to gel with Gawn. Interesting that Keilty is still in the team is he a smokey for round 1? 

[dazzledavey36 53,385]

11 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

One poor game in 39C heat for a 6ft 9"" goliath and plenty writing him off for the season. 

Quote from articles on heat stroke   " The largest athletes are the most heat-sensitive."  Another " Large people have lower surface area to volume ratios than smaller people. Evaporative surface area is relatively small in large folks so they have higher risk of developing heat stroke than smaller people."

Not surprised that Preuss was cooked after the first qtr, or TMac had a shocker.  Don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

 

Toby Nankervis kicked 3 goals?

[Watson11 2,226]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Toby Nankervis kicked 3 goals?

From 6 disposals

[BAMF 4,189]

7 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

From 6 disposals

Rance. Same height as Tmac. 5 kg lighter.

Had a great day and barely looked like he was even getting out of 4th gear.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,678]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

The way they worded it - how he was going back to the VFL as part of his 'development' - may also suggest that he may have played himself out of a spot in the side come Round 1.  If Ryder is fit and they go with the Ryder/Lycett combo then it may save him, otherwise we go in with Gawn and a pinch hitter.

 

2 hours ago, pewpewpew said:

No doubt about it. He was dropped. He can ask Garlett about what happens to players that don't perform under Goodwin. 

I don't buy this.

My take is playing Preuss in the VFL is actually prioritising his preperation for a potential Rd 1 spot, not straight out demoting him.

He plays seniors and gets 25% to 50% time at most in the ruck to further hone his skills and any new ruck strategies, where as in the VFL, you would think he will get more like 75% time in the ruck, whilst still letting Max get one good last chance to blow out any cobwebs and perfect that connection with Gus, Clarry and Harmes.  Much smarter move in my book.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,678]

So after tonight's game, Essendon finish their JLT series without winning a game.

Would it be panic stations if the same thing happens to us?

[WERRIDEE 5,368]

SENIORS

B: JETTA, MAY, HORE

HB: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, SALEM

C : STRETCH, HARMES, FRITSCH

HF: PETRACCA, T.MCDONALD, NEAL-BULLEN

F: J.SMITH, WEIDEMAN, SPARGO

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, BRAYSHAW

IC: FROST, KENNEDY HARRIS, VANDENBERG, HUNT, C.WAGNER, KEILTY, PETTY, LEWIS

 

CASEY

B: JORDON, HUTCHINS, LOCKHART

HB: J.WAGNER, WHITE, TYNAN

C : BAKER, MAYNARD, SPARROW

HF: MACHAYA, BRADTKE, GENT

F: CHANDLER, MELKSHAM, BEDFORD

FOLL: PREUSS, VINEY, JONES

IC: VELLA, BUXTON-WALES, MCCAFFERY, MUNRO, M.LEWIS, STOCKDALE, TAYLOR, GAHAN

[Skuit 10,006]

5 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I don't buy this.

My take is playing Preuss in the VFL is actually prioritising his preperation for a potential Rd 1 spot, not straight out demoting him.

He plays seniors and gets 25% to 50% time at most in the ruck to further hone his skills and any new ruck strategies, where as in the VFL, you would think he will get more like 75% time in the ruck, whilst still letting Max get one good last chance to blow out any cobwebs and perfect that connection with Gus, Clarry and Harmes.  Much smarter move in my book.

My take as well. I didn't see last week's performance, and I'm not necessarily sold on the combo approach - but Preuss needs to develop his craft and practice playing number one in the event of an injury and Max and the midfield brigade need to get some time in the middle together - with Max also needing the conditioning to play more minutes in the middle should we go with the sole ruck option. Preuss dropping down seems a sensible approach to me rather than a signal.

Other than that, I would have liked to have seen Bedford thrown in the deep-end in exchange for JKH - for a number of reasons I won't bother documenting, other than that we need to develop a confidence  forward-pocket specialist who can provide real forward pressure alongside U-turn Tomald and fat-Trac, and JKH is unlikely competing for a spot. I also hope Frost is left in, as I imagine he will fair much better in the long-run alongside May, and eventually Lever, rather than having to take one of the accountable defensive roles.

[jackaub 1,402]

JKH  must have photos of Goody

Unbelievable.

[Dee Zephyr 19,250]

Is Bradtke a confirmed starter for Casey tomorrow? It will be good to get a first glimpse at him if he suits up.

[dl4e 5,851]

9 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So after tonight's game, Essendon finish their JLT series without winning a game.

Would it be panic stations if the same thing happens to us?

No.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,505]

57 minutes ago, jackaub said:

JKH  must have photos of Goody

Unbelievable.

The quintessential list clogger.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,505]

Hoping for an improved and more consistent hit out this week, as we were poor last week (albeit with a few missing).

Last year in the corresponding JLT 2 game Vs St Kilda at Casey we totally took the foot off the pedal in the third qtr conceding six goals to one. The same thing happened 2 weeks later against Geelong (rd 1) where we fell asleep and lost the game in one quarter.

Hopefully tomorrow, we don't switch off for a quarter as we did last week.

 

 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,678]

So hard to get a good read on where teams are at this time of year.  We lost to one of the top teams last week with a very undermanned team on our behalf.  We only lost by 12 points or so, but I think that scoreline really flattered us after we were dominanted for probably 60% of the game and they possibly rested some of their guns in the last quarter which let us back in.

Brisbane were pretty good last week and I do consider them to be a capable team on the rise.  I expect Brisbane to be playing fairly hard for a win this week to build confidence for the season ahead and get their supporter base energized in much the same way as I believe we selected teams and played JLT to win last year.

I actually think a good hard hitout for us this JLT win or lose is exactly what the team needs to keep them grounded and hungry for the start of the regular season.  I see danger written all over our first three games of Port, Geelong and Essendon if we go in believing the hype.  Learning how to best handle the favourites tag and being hunted every week is the next step in our development and I'm hopeful that with Goody's down to earth demeanor and approach that it's something that we take in our stride in a clinical workman like manner.

[dazzledavey36 53,385]

12 hours ago, Watson11 said:

From 6 disposals

Played full forward majority of the game...

[hemingway 7,615]

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The quintessential list clogger.

Description is unfortunate.

However, of all those on the list, I see little upside with JKH. 

He reminds me of many we had on your lists over the dark years.

His skills and attributes are very average. He does not excel at any facet of the game.  He tends to get caught a lot and does not have the ability to break away from a contest.  He is one of those players that follow the play rather than initiates play.  I really hope that I am wrong and he comes of age but I just have yet to see any glimmer that anything will change this season,

[hemingway 7,615]

On 3/6/2019 at 12:55 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

That was one of the big stories of last weekend.

T Mac was absolutely slaughtered last week by Rance. A very poor performance from him, albeit coming off minor surgery. Needs to rebound this week.

A lot our premiership hopes rest on T Mac's shoulders and we can ill afford a down year from him.

Would like to see more of an even and consistent performance this week. Last week we went from a million bucks in the first qtr to letting Richmond waltz out of our defence with absolutely no pressure in the middle two qtrs. Our comeback in the last qtr coincided with Martin, Cotcin and possibly Prestia being rested. 

 

Forward delivery was hopeless after quarter time. Slow and indirect with the ball just being pumped into the forward line. On most occasions TMac competed with 3 or 4 Tigers and even the odd Demon. 

Rance beat him alright but whilst Rance was leaping from behind, Tom rarely got off the ground so that his long arms were of no advantage.. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So hard to get a good read on where teams are at this time of year.  We lost to one of the top teams last week with a very undermanned team on our behalf.  We only lost by 12 points or so, but I think that scoreline really flattered us after we were dominanted for probably 60% of the game and they possibly rested some of their guns in the last quarter which let us back in.

Brisbane were pretty good last week and I do consider them to be a capable team on the rise.  I expect Brisbane to be playing fairly hard for a win this week to build confidence for the season ahead and get their supporter base energized in much the same way as I believe we selected teams and played JLT to win last year.

I actually think a good hard hitout for us this JLT win or lose is exactly what the team needs to keep them grounded and hungry for the start of the regular season.  I see danger written all over our first three games of Port, Geelong and Essendon if we go in believing the hype.  Learning how to best handle the favourites tag and being hunted every week is the next step in our development and I'm hopeful that with Goody's down to earth demeanor and approach that it's something that we take in our stride in a clinical workman like manner.

Let's not forget, we totally dominated them for the 1st quarter when they had their best players on.

Did we take the foot off the pedal so that we didn't show all our secrets?  Did we allow the scoreline to flatter Richmond?

So many "what ifs" that really won't be answered until Round 1.

[Deemania since 56 6,571]

22 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Viney and Jones to play VFL as per stevoooooo.

Probably both of minutes restrictions, let’s them have a look at the depth guys under AFL conditions as well. They might play VFL next week as well.

My guess of the 26:

Backs (8): May, Hibberd, Jetta, Lewis, Hore, Oscar, Hunt, Frost

Mids (9): Gawn, Oliver, Gus, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Vanders, Fritsch, JKH

Utility: Keilty (plays 2nd half to rest Gawn and T Mc more)

Forwards (8): T Mc, Weid, Melksham, Petracca, Spargo, ANB, J Smith, C Wagner 

In that team, JKH is a justified choice and I was thinking, how good it is to see him starting to do a phoenix resurgence from the closely proximal ashes, similar to that of Nev Jetta some years ago. Was impressed with his run and carry in this pre-season ground time. Kicking was improved, as well. Wish him all the best for the season to come.

[waynewussell 5,002]

JKH has broadened his impact, skills and involvements steadily over his time at MFC. He was more effective than ANB against the Tigers... (and for that matter, Spargo)  and ANB has already shown he can be effective at this level. I raise this comparison because I think the JKH detractors are stuck in the past.  I'm not sure he will make it to best 22 in 2019, but he is very clearly on the fringe and may break through... have a closer look!

[binman 42,167]

43 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Description is unfortunate.

However, of all those on the list, I see little upside with JKH. 

He reminds me of many we had on your lists over the dark years.

His skills and attributes are very average. He does not excel at any facet of the game.  He tends to get caught a lot and does not have the ability to break away from a contest.  He is one of those players that follow the play rather than initiates play.  I really hope that I am wrong and he comes of age but I just have yet to see any glimmer that anything will change this season,

Disagree with much of this. JKH was dead unlucky to get dropped late last year. Runs and works hard. Is a neat kick and stays in the contest. I actually thought he was one of our better players against the tigers in the JLT game. 

Most on DL seem to agree that our recruiting team and football department get most things right these days. A view i certainly share.

So it is safe to assume the club rate JKH as they saw fit to offer him a one year extension at the end of last year, on the back of what this article notes was a 'strong end to the 2018 season', something they simply would not have done if they 'saw little upside'.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-28/dee-kennedy-harris-earns-new-deal-after-strong-end-to-year

Edited March 8, 2019 by binman

[binman 42,167]

11 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Let's not forget, we totally dominated them for the 1st quarter when they had their best players on.

Did we take the foot off the pedal so that we didn't show all our secrets?  Did we allow the scoreline to flatter Richmond?

So many "what ifs" that really won't be answered until Round 1.

Agree with bolded bit. We looked awesome in that first quarter once we ramped up our contests.

I think two factors played a part in our drop off in that game.

The first is that after half time we had 4 or 5 different players come on the ground, most of whom were young or inexperienced. This impacted on our synergy and quality, whereas the tigers pretty much kept the same team on the park (you could see how well they knew each others game by the way they moved the ball from defence). 

The other factor was we decided to do hard training session in mid 30s temperature only a few days beforehand (something we wouldn't have done if the game was for premiership points) which must have taken a fair bit out of the players - particularly the bigs (who all struggled).