I think Sam needs to get a whack with the reality stick. Really he has played one game of AFL which you would class as excellent, the rest have been mediocre or less. If he is hanging out for a better contract he is delusional, so he either needs to sign what has been put before him ( I would assume the club in its due diligence would have done this), or nominate for a trade at years end. Either way he needs to go back to Casey to find some form and desire. I would rather have Tim Smith there than Sam at the moment, at least he gives a contest. 

Right now, you would have to say trading Hogan was a mistake, as was giving up 2 first rounders for Lever. I would challenge any of you to dispute that we would not be a better side right now with Hogan and the two young guys we could have drafted. I will qualify this by saying that this is NOW, and maybe things will work in the future. But may just as well NOT. 

I am trying to remain upbeat and positive, but geez it's hard at the moment. Totally agree with Sydee's comments about the mentality of the group, it is looking like they have lapped up all the media expectations. I am the first to admit, yep I fell for it!

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jesse Hogan doesn't have mongrel but he will be a bloody good forward for many years to come.

I genuinely believe Weideman has the potential to emulate the same way Josh Kennedy career has. I love the way Kennedy goes about his business. He's not the mongrel forward like a Carey or Brereton, but it doesn't stop him crashing into packs and using his solid frame to his advantage. Something Weideman will start to realise once he fills out.

I think he has the potential to be a very fine player. Normally his tackling and second efforts are pretty good. Hopefully last night was an aberration.

What a thread.

All we're going on here is a rumour in the Herald Sun.

Could be completely false.

And even if it's true, what do people think happens with contract negotiations? Of course he's going to start high. 

33 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

What a thread.

All we're going on here is a rumour in the Herald Sun.

Could be completely false.

And even if it's true, what do people think happens with contract negotiations? Of course he's going to start high. 

Problem is Titan, he has virtually zilch bargaining power at this point in time. I am unsure what the minimum salary is, but right now that is all Sam is worth

14 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

You think Hogan wanted to wait around for effective ball use inside our 50? This club has been bombing the ball inside forward 50 since Jamar/Moloney, and nothing appears to be changing in a hurry. I'd have Jones no where near the ball drop, Brayshaw and Oliver are not much better (unless they were to handball to a receiver).. There isn't a real effective plan out of the middle. It would be a long term option, but something I would consider exploring would be to have Salem rotating with Fritsch in the midfield, and have them play as a link man - on the receiving end of a handball from Oliver or Brayshaw. The aim of the game is to kick goals, the best way to do that is to move the ball out of the middle and cleanly into our forward line - giving our forwards the best opportunity to kick goals. Our club has the greatest capacity to do this. But instead we play a sloppy country football reserves style of play - with absolutely no organisation. 

Agreed.  Salem on one wing, Fritsch on the other.

Let me proceed the following with the words QUALITY, bit of MONGREL and CLASS (finish).  We need a crash pack Kennedy style forward, a fairly quick lead up forward as No.2 / Decoy and a fabulous crumbing forward plus forwards who are able to bring pressure/heat when the ball hits the deck.

Jeffy, and at times Melk are our ONLY forwards that go anywhere near fitting the crumbing bills right now and one of them is not playing.  Tmac as the No.2 IF we deliver it in alot better and more consistently.

I would be trading Weld (and others and throw a bit more if needed ) for that crash pack KPF and one more genuine classy small/medium crumber that has enough speed to pressure the OP inside 50, who can finish and take the odd hanger from behind to worry the OP in the air a little also.

Edited March 31, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

11 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Agreed.  Salem on one wing, Fritsch on the other.

Let me proceed the following with the words QUALITY, bit of MONGREL and CLASS (finish).  We need a crash pack Kennedy style forward, a fairly quick lead up forward as No.2 / Decoy and a fabulous crumbing forward plus forwards who are able to bring pressure/heat when the ball hits the deck.

Jeffy, and at times Melk are our ONLY forwards that go anywhere near fitting the crumbing bills right now and one of them is not playing.  Tmac as the No.2 IF we deliver it in alot better and more consistently.

I would be trading Weld (and others and throw a bit more if needed ) for that crash pack KPF and one more genuine classy small/medium crumber that has enough speed to pressure the OP inside 50, who can finish and take the odd hanger from behind to worry the OP in the air a little also.

Who and where these players exactly? Its easy for anyone to say we should just cash in and recruit these superstar forwards, but right now the cupboard is bare in terms of quality you are looking for.

Some need to get use to the reality that Weideman is not going to be in the same bracket as Hogan in terms of being physically ready to go from day dot. Weids still has plenty of physical development to go. 

Just remember he is only 21 years old and just ticked over 22 career games... let thst sink in a little.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Who and where these players exactly? Its easy for anyone to say we should just cash in and recruit these superstar forwards, but right now the cupboard is bare in terms of quality you are looking for.

Some need to get use to the reality that Weideman is not going to be in the same bracket as Hogan in terms of being physically ready to go from day dot. Weids still has plenty of physical development to go. 

Just remember he is only 21 years old and just ticked over 22 career games... let thst sink in a little.

That's the club's challenge Dazzle.  Successful clubs find them.  The last truly successful crash pack KF this club had was Neita.  That's a fair while ago now.  We thought we had one in Hogan but alas another false hope.

We don't need 2 lead up tall forwards.  I'm backing T-mac here.  Has some runs on the board, usually a dead eye in front and shows some mongrel.  When fully match fit i know what we are getting ie; maximum effort/impact on game day Including a fierce contest (mongrel/trust).

criticism of this bloke, and TMac for that matter, is a bit rich imo. it wouldn't matter who we had down forward atm, the quality of our forward entries are amongst the worst in the AFL. I doubt Reiwoldt or Kennedy would kick 2 goals in our forward line the way we just ridiculously bomb it in the majority of the time. its the perfect set up for oppo defenders, its completely predictable and that's the way they want it coming in.

 

Raised on today’s real footy podcast 

3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Raised on today’s real footy podcast 

Just heard it on Sam McLures 'Just Between Us' too. "Eyebrows raised internally" at the asking price of 700k. 

Who knows what's real or parroted from the original rumour.

Edited April 1, 20196 yr by John Demonic

I hope for his sake he isn’t fit because if Weideman isn’t marking the ball then he’s not offering anything.

Some of his defensive efforts have been woeful this year.

On 3/31/2019 at 2:53 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Who and where these players exactly? Its easy for anyone to say we should just cash in and recruit these superstar forwards, but right now the cupboard is bare in terms of quality you are looking for.

Some need to get use to the reality that Weideman is not going to be in the same bracket as Hogan in terms of being physically ready to go from day dot. Weids still has plenty of physical development to go. 

Just remember he is only 21 years old and just ticked over 22 career games... let thst sink in a little.

He is in his fourth season!

On 4/1/2019 at 10:16 PM, John Demonic said:

Just heard it on Sam McLures 'Just Between Us' too. "Eyebrows raised internally" at the asking price of 700k. 

Who knows what's real or parroted from the original rumour.

One zero too many

22 hours ago, old dee said:

He is in his fourth season!

So a tall forward has played 22 games in 3 years. How many games had Max played after 3 years? Different reasons, obviously.

The key number is 22 games

Don't know if hes worth 700 or if that's even true, but the people on here believing he's a spud or calling for him to be traded are pathetic

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

So a tall forward has played 22 games in 3 years. How many games had Max played after 3 years? Different reasons, obviously.

The key number is 22 games

Don't know if hes worth 700 or if that's even true, but the people on here believing he's a spud or calling for him to be traded are pathetic

Totally agree, Moonie. 

We all know how much old dee wants him to fail. Take him out of the equation and most see sense with where Weideman is at. 

I wouldn't want to trade the weed but 700k is just ridiculous.

I'd prefer to risk signing him later in the season, because by then we will get a clearer picture of his worth. If he struggles it will be on the club's terms, if his form improves he will get good coin.

I'm more concerned about the form and value for money of May and Tmac at the moment than that of Weid

17 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I'd prefer to risk signing him later in the season, because by then we will get a clearer picture of his worth. If he struggles it will be on the club's terms, if his form improves he will get good coin.

I'm more concerned about the form and value for money of May and Tmac at the moment than that of Weid

The big difference Mr Shadow is May and TMac have proved they can  preform at a high level over a number of years. May will get healthy and have a good 2020. Tmac's form will come good. It too maybe in 2020. We can forget this year for a variety of reasons not the least being long term injuries. My mind has switched to next year, 2019 is now a sorting out year. The FD will realise at some point this year that the 2018 plan is now history and it will be changed to take into account the 666 changes and hopefully we will recruit with it in mind. 

I feel confident about 2020.

Old dee, have you noticed that Weid is significantly younger than Tmac and May? Hard to perform at a high level for years when you are young and only played 20 something games.

As I said, let's see towards the end of the year

On 3/29/2019 at 1:45 PM, Wiseblood said:

The Hun are also saying that, due to good list management, we have enough salary cap space to chase another top line target this off season.  

It also means we have the coin to sign Weideman to, what I would hope, is a reasonable deal.  They article mentions that May and Lever are both on around 600k or so, so if Weideman thinks he can get more than that at this stage, then he's dreaming.

But negotiations have to start somewhere.

Such negotiations then, would collapse - on performances, how far downwards can a Club go in the remuneration realm?

On 3/31/2019 at 12:36 PM, bobby1554 said:

Problem is Titan, he has virtually zilch bargaining power at this point in time. I am unsure what the minimum salary is, but right now that is all Sam is worth

Good players fight back in the pursuit of making something of themselves, contributing 'big-time' to their team as often as required. This is more than doing your best/putting in the effort. It is a transformation and at 21 years, in a fourth season, it is not too great an expectation - particularly if you were considered to carry a footballing heritage and the associated lineage potentials. A club can remain tolerant for only so long. 

he's a key forward who wont be reaching his peak for about another 4 or 5 years. to say he is no good is short sighted and silly. for his manager to say he is worth 700k is just as farcical.

There is no shortage of clubs looking for a KPH:

• Hawks need to replace Roughead.  Reported over the weekend they are looking at Patton, despite his injury as they have proven to have great medical staff (O'Meara, Scully, Burgoyne).
• Geelong need to replace Hawkins.  A poster here late last year reported their very keen interest in Sam which he was considering.
• Pies have only Cox as a tall forward.  They would love the Weideman name back on their list.
• Essendon have only Daniher, sometimes. 

So let's not get to cocky - we must sign him and his management know it.  All parties know the interest in Sam from other clubs.

If we don't contract him sooner than later and our poor form continues he may ask for a trade!  Then where will be be?

35 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

There is no shortage of clubs looking for a KPH:

• Hawks need to replace Roughead.  Reported over the weekend they are looking at Patton, despite his injury as they have proven to have great medical staff (O'Meara, Scully, Burgoyne).
• Geelong need to replace Hawkins.  A poster here late last year reported their very keen interest in Sam which he was considering.
• Pies have only Cox as a tall forward.  They would love the Weideman name back on their list.
• Essendon have only Daniher, sometimes. 

So let's not get to cocky - we must sign him and his management know it.  All parties know the interest in Sam from other clubs.

We should have extended Weide's contract early last year, when we first thought we would trade Hogan...  But it hadn't been made known within the club.  We could have added to his contract,  once he started to play top level footy.

With our dysfunctional defence and with May, Lever, Smith and Lewis all weeks away I would like to see Weideman tried as a defender.  Maybe off have back.