Recruiting a 3rd tall forward to find another 50 goals?

[John Demonic 5,987]

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

no... maybe you're just not funny

@Satyriconhome Of course they have a plan, that's bleeding obvious, but that doesn't mean supporters can't speculate and hypothesize on what they think the club should/will do. The Pick 23 Thread would be a boring place if the only answer to "who we should pick up?" is "Goody has a plan"

Let me reiterate about this thread. This isn't a 'CRISIS CRISIS HOGAN GONE WHAT DO WE DO!" thread, It's just a thread that is asking what do we think the recruitment direction will be in this years draft and next years trade/FA period for the forward line now that we have less depth. We've addressed our defence, we perhaps have only partially addressed the need for speed and outside run, and our forward line will be put more in the spotlight in terms of drafting/recruitment in the future now that we've taken 1 player out. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by John Demonic

[Lord Travis 10,816]

We've now got key defensive depth and a backup ruckman. Our tall forward stocks are lacking with Hogan and Pederson gone. It's TMac, Weid and Tim Smith. Others options like Frost have been tried forward with no success.

What tall forwards are in this draft outside of those top placed ones like the King bros and Lukocious? Are there options for us in the 20s? This area is now the need for our list.

[Ungarie boy 233]

The answer is obvious, get Lewis to have a chat to his old friend Roughead to come across as a delisted free agent.

 

[beelzebub 23,392]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

@Satyriconhome Of course they have a plan, that's bleeding obvious, but that doesn't mean supporters can't speculate and hypothesize on what they think the club should/will do. The Pick 23 Thread would be a boring place if the only answer to "who we should pick up?" is "Goody has a plan"

Let me reiterate about this thread. This isn't a 'CRISIS CRISIS HOGAN GONE WHAT DO WE DO!" thread, It's just a thread that is asking what do we think the recruitment direction will be in this years draft and next years trade/FA period for the forward line now that we have less depth. We've addressed our defence, we perhaps have only partially addressed the need for speed and outside run, and our forward line will be put more in the spotlight in terms of drafting/recruitment in the future now that we've taken 1 player out. 

The club ISNT going with 3 talls  in 19... therefore we aren't looking for one. The expectations are the forward 'group' will kick goals among them.

We'll only be looking to develop other forwards should either Tmac or Weed goes down.

 

[Deecisive 1,709]

i would like to see the dees go back to having two ruckman on the ground one resting in the forward pocket and one on the ball and have them rotate more regularly between these two positions. as both max and preuss can mark the ball and i think preuss may be a better kick than max. 

[thesleepinggiant 160]

I haven' read too many replies, kind of rushed in when seen topic.

We are in a position of luxury now and can draft for need/want/flavour of the month.

Definitely don' require another key forward (would never say no) and my reasoning is the way we play, very quickly, everyone gets in on the act which prob explains why for the love of god I haven't had a meltdown over the trading of quite simply a gun forward who hasn't quite hit his straps.

Differet Demons now...

[MadAsHell 4,217]

Good thread that I think the majority have misunderstood.

Tom McDonald & Weideman will clearly be the two key pillars in the senior team, but after that the only players we have in reserve for our key forwards are Tim Smith. In the 2018 season we had Weideman, Pedersen & Smith as reserve, so we need to recruit at least one key forward option in the draft or as a DFA.

Best option in the draft with our pick 65 for me would be Mason Shaw out of the WAFL. 24 I think and has kicked over 140 goals in the last 3 years combined. Can also pinch hit in the ruck.

As for a potential DFA, I haven't seen anyone that's jumped out at me yet apart from maybe Aaron Black. But we may be able to convince an uncontracted player to refuse a deal in front of them and then be delisted for us to pounce on. Someone like James Stewart from Essendon or even Menzel at Geelong who at a pinch you could play as an undersized key forward?

Edited October 18, 2018 by MadAsHell

[Adam The God 30,665]

Obviously, the FD would have preferred to keep Jesse and extend his contract long-term, so there'll be a certain amount of testing the waters next year to strike the right combination.

Jesse's incredible ability to come straight in and perform from day-dot is rare and it's taken Weideman a little longer. The beauty of having Jesse on the list (aside from the obvious reasons) is he protected Weideman's development. Now Sammy will have to take that step up next year. The spotlight is firmly focused on him. That does make some players, let's hope he can build on his form in front of two successive 90,000+ crowds in big pressure finals, but there's certainly a possibility he might still be a year or two off.

I just think it's important to remember as supporters that I'm sure in a perfect world, our list management team would have Jesse lining up next year in the red and blue, but that's not the case, so we work with what we have. Fortunately, we do have cover for his position.

[durango 2,023]

The player who could be a key forward is Petracca who could do what Jakovich did in  the 90's with Preuss in the pocket al la Bob Johnson or Mason Cox.  Play him 1 on 1 in the goal square and he could be a sensation

[DV8 2,271]

14 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The concept of 'swing' is so confusing for opposition players to man-up upon. We have some reliables poised to play a swing role up front with potentially great effect. The strength factor is just fantastic now.

I have always believed in players being able to shift roles ever since 'Barass' came back to coach us.  And he took Flower off the Wing, and used him in a multitude of roles... improving Robbies abilities.

Similarly kicking as well on either foot.

 

Both these thing are invaluable to aid the side... and upset the oppositions team balance and structures.

[spirit of norm smith 16,674]

Petracca can step up with a 40+ goal season in the stars. 

[Deemania since 56 6,800]

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Petracca can step up with a 40+ goal season in the stars. 

This is relatively overdue, now. He must begin to make a sustained contribution across a game and week to week, month by month. Let's hope his pre-season boosts his aerobic capacity and endurance, assisting him to reach another level; Big Max has given the whole team the inspiration and set the benchmark in terms of team contribution - we have several key drivers in the team that could likewise contribute to a flag in 2019.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

17 hours ago, John Demonic said:

@Satyriconhome Of course they have a plan, that's bleeding obvious, but that doesn't mean supporters can't speculate and hypothesize on what they think the club should/will do. The Pick 23 Thread would be a boring place if the only answer to "who we should pick up?" is "Goody has a plan"

Let me reiterate about this thread. This isn't a 'CRISIS CRISIS HOGAN GONE WHAT DO WE DO!" thread, It's just a thread that is asking what do we think the recruitment direction will be in this years draft and next years trade/FA period for the forward line now that we have less depth. We've addressed our defence, we perhaps have only partially addressed the need for speed and outside run, and our forward line will be put more in the spotlight in terms of drafting/recruitment in the future now that we've taken 1 player out. 

Speculate and hypothesize,that's a new name for it

It was a joke post, it's footy, not that serious an issue in life

Charlie Spargo on Braydon Preuss' shoulders, problem solved, Preuss gets a game and a certain poster can stop harping on about Charlie's size

Edited October 19, 2018 by Satyriconhome

[Watson11 2,249]

We’ve lost 47 goals but I’m really only worried about adding to the 9 Jesse kicked in 8 games against the good teams last year.  We’ll get more than that from Weid plus Max spending some time forward.  

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,119]

On 10/19/2018 at 4:19 PM, Watson11 said:

We’ve lost 47 goals but I’m really only worried about adding to the 9 Jesse kicked in 8 games against the good teams last year.  We’ll get more than that from Weid plus Max spending some time forward.  

I'm not having a got at you my dear Watson, but saying we lost 47 goals assumes that if Hogan hadn't played in those games where he kicked those 47 goals, his replacement would not have kicked any either. That's highly unlikely. It's not possible to know what that number might have been, but it's certainly not going to be as high as 47.  

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,790]

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not having a got at you my dear Watson, but saying we lost 47 goals assumes that if Hogan hadn't played in those games where he kicked those 47 goals, his replacement would not have kicked any either. That's highly unlikely. It's not possible to know what that number might have been, but it's certainly not going to be as high as 47.  

Completely right. And apologies if this has been covered as I haven't read much of the rest, but

I watched the higlights clips shown at tjhe B&F. [My recollection is] Hogan featured kicking about 5 goals, I think. Of these 1 was a set shot, from the boundary, J-curve style. The other ~4 were in play-on situations very close to goal, no doubt some were 'Joe-the-goose' types.

Jesse wasn't a 50 goal lead, mark / contested mark, set shot goal kicker. Many of his goals werr in general play.

So I think Petracca and his agility in and around packs coupled with strong body  is key to replacing Jesse's goals, as well as a well functioning Fwd Line where ground players kick more goals.

[Willmoy1947 4,244]

I think Goody is looking very hard at Jeff Garlett for goals after WC won the Flag.

[Dr.D 1,771]

On 10/18/2018 at 11:27 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Petracca can step up with a 40+ goal season in the stars. 

petracca could  easily kick 40 but he needs to kick straight. One of the worst kicks for goal in the comp. Bad set shot and also bad snapping for goal. You almost can't play him f50m until he sorts that out. 

[Lord Travis 10,816]

3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

petracca could  easily kick 40 but he needs to kick straight. One of the worst kicks for goal in the comp. Bad set shot and also bad snapping for goal. You almost can't play him f50m until he sorts that out. 

Agree to an extent. Petracca could be like De Goey and kick 40+ as a powerful mid sized forward. At present though his kicking for goal is so poor that he's a way off that output. He's clearly capable, but for whatever reason this year he completely shat the bed with his goal kicking. He was at 1.9 from set shots at one stage. If he tidies up his goal kicking, he immediately jumps from a 15-20 goal a season player to a 40 goal a season player and is talked about as elite rather than potential.

[Dr.D 1,771]

26 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Agree to an extent. Petracca could be like De Goey and kick 40+ as a powerful mid sized forward. At present though his kicking for goal is so poor that he's a way off that output. He's clearly capable, but for whatever reason this year he completely shat the bed with his goal kicking. He was at 1.9 from set shots at one stage. If he tidies up his goal kicking, he immediately jumps from a 15-20 goal a season player to a 40 goal a season player and is talked about as elite rather than potential.

Agree. And i recall him kicking it on the full many many times last season so his true conversion is a lot worse than the stats say. DeGoey is one of the best players in the comp. He is a much more gifted player. His skills are elite and his speed is much better than Petracca. He is an absolute Jet whereas people are starting th get frustrated by Petracca missing shots on goal at key moments. 

[Watson11 2,249]

49 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not having a got at you my dear Watson, but saying we lost 47 goals assumes that if Hogan hadn't played in those games where he kicked those 47 goals, his replacement would not have kicked any either. That's highly unlikely. It's not possible to know what that number might have been, but it's certainly not going to be as high as 47.  

Just a turn of phrase La Dee.  Who kicks them with Hogan gone is what this thread is about.  Point I was making is in big games goals are worth gold, and JH did not impact (9 goals in 8 games).  I can see Max being a big weapon for us pushing forward more if Preuss plays.  Max kicked 13.12 in 2018.  Weid also can take pack marks in a way JH can't.  2 or 3 extra goals from contested marks in big games could be the difference between finishing 5th and 1st.  If we keep improving hitting lead ups going inside 50 as well we'll be more dangerous next year than we were this year by far. 

[Deemania since 56 6,800]

On 10/19/2018 at 3:49 PM, Watson11 said:

We’ve lost 47 goals but I’m really only worried about adding to the 9 Jesse kicked in 8 games against the good teams last year.  We’ll get more than that from Weid plus Max spending some time forward.  

Plus Preuss and hopefully from the draft, Bailey Williams.

[PaulRB 6,435]

I think Hogan’s output is covered with the addition of May (22 more goals stopped), and another forward (or collection of) kicking 25 in Hogan’s spot in the forward 50... there’s Hogan’s tally covered. 

Its the year on year improvement to Trac, Vanders, Spargo, Hannan and Weidemann (plus Oliver resting forward) that will cover the “Hogan deficit”... A new season and an improving team. 

Edited October 24, 2018 by PaulRB

[Dee*ceiving 1,736]

Joel Smith with train with the forwards over summer to add to our depth. I'd also expect us to look at a state league or DFA option for a back up key forward. 

It will be desperate times if we need to rely on either of the Smith boys for long periods of the season however. 

[John Demonic 5,987]

Same position up forward as last year again. Can't see us contending for a premiership at all. We'll have enough trouble making the 8, but we all know it's premiership or failure every year from now on in..

Edited October 16, 2019 by John Demonic