Farewell Jesse Hogan

[red&blue1982 252]

2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Can those posters that are in the “no to trading Hogan camp” please enlighten the rest of us which games he’s dominated this year. Or more to the point, his numbers/stats in our losses. 

For those who keep bringing up his potential AA form, again, against which sides? 

What he achieved in his first two seasons counts for nothing now. He is clearly not the player we all thought he’d be which ever way you spin it. 

Im all for trading him, but would want a gun mid in return. One that fits our age/talent profile. Then target a Peter Wright or similar.

If the season was over, then maybe i'd talk trades. We got to use what we've got for now.

What happens when your newly recruited player starts under preforming..... trade talks begin again?

Hogan's fix's the one flaw in his game eg, instead of stuttering up to his set shot at goal like he's trying to pull off a ridiculous dance maneuver and just kick the skin off it; he'd at the very least be a 50/50 chance and we'd all love him.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,850]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

What a surprise.

@Dappa Dan put it best in the post match thread and he might like to cross post it here.  

Well look who it is, the self appointed Sheriff of Demonland. 

Care to answer the question?

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Well look who it is, the self appointed Sheriff of Demonland. 

Care to answer the question?

[bobby1554 1,132]

6 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

Firstly, Hogan is playing injured and should have been rested for the Gold coast match. 

Secondly, every player has a bad day, sure a FF should not miss from 20 metres out slight angle, but that is footy and that is life. no need to overreact 

he has had some really good games for us this year and games in past seasons. everyone should just calm down. 

Yes he is injured. My seat is very close to the interchange bench and he hobbles badly when he comes off. Maybe knee, or possibly ankle. Anyway, they should rest him at least next week, and bring Weideman in. This injury is affecting his confidence, ability to compete in the air, and his kicking. As to trading him, I think that all depends on his intentions from 2020 onwards. If he wants to go back home, then get the deal done.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,267]

3 minutes ago, red&blue1982 said:

If the season was over, then maybe i'd talk trades. We got to use what we've got for now.

What happens when your newly recruited player starts under preforming..... trade talks begin again?

Hogan's fix's the one flaw in his game eg, instead of stuttering up to his set shot at goal like he's trying to pull off a ridiculous dance maneuver and just kick the skin off it; he'd at the very least be a 50/50 chance and we'd all love him.

Can you tell Goody?

[Dr.D 1,771]

is he fast? no

is he a good kick? no

does he apply defensive pressure? no

is he a good mark? he's ok but wrestles too much.

i would be all up for trading him.

for those that say he is a good field kick are deluded. his ball drop is hard to watch.

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

If we had:
- A realistic chance to get Tom Lynch as a free agent
- Enough confidence that Sammy Weideman will make at least a solid back up ruck and contest/drop the ball down forward option
- If we can get and rate Brennan Cox from Freo as part of a larger package

Then yep I'll drive Jesse to the airport myself.

In his defence he might be injured and playing week in week out through the trademark Melbourne Medical Mismanagement but he looks fine sprinting after the ball when he's going to get an easy goal.

He's been such a flat track bully this year. Disgusting football. And for weeks many on here have wondered why he isn't rested or dropped. Today's performance was coming.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,850]

How hard is it? 

We’re being told he was in AA form at the halfway point of the year.

Which teams has he dominated against, and where are they on the ladder? 

 

[deebug 1,754]

Trade Hogan, then what? We get a pick or two and use it on who?

Hogan is not the problem, there are many issues with our club, how ever in saying trade Hogan is silly.

The players need to man up, learn to kick straight, not panic and give off dinkey hand passes, run their guts out etc, etc etc.

Oh and we need mids  who are able to get the ball to the goal square and then kick through those big white sticks.

The club also needs to ask the AFL about the umpires, because we fart, you just gave away a free kick. 

Why has the club allowed those green snot blokes to get away with what they have been doing for years now?

We did not have one holding the ball, yet the swans just kept getting them?

It loos like we will miss playing finals yet again, but hay as the saying goes there is always next year and you know what it will be the same as this year and the year before.

The AFL has us and all the other clubs by the you know what's, and there is not a hell of a thing we can do about it, they control the clubs like puppets on a string, do as your told or you will get your back side spanked.

 

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

How we going to beat the bottom teams without flat track bully Hogan?

[layzie 28,508]

All I’m gonna say is if you’re going to trade Hogan, do it this year and only if he wants to go home. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

22 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

What a surprise.

@Dappa Dan put it best in the post match thread and he might like to cross post it here.  

Well. Not really. A handful of nutty posters aren't worth tangling with. Almost noone on demonland is looking to learn things, everyone just wants to post their own drivel and disappear. Like suggesting trading Hogan and playing Weed. lol

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

53 minutes ago, deebug said:

Trade Hogan, then what? We get a pick or two and use it on who?

Hogan is not the problem, there are many issues with our club, how ever in saying trade Hogan is silly.

The players need to man up, learn to kick straight, not panic and give off dinkey hand passes, run their guts out etc, etc etc.

Oh and we need mids  who are able to get the ball to the goal square and then kick through those big white sticks.

The club also needs to ask the AFL about the umpires, because we fart, you just gave away a free kick. 

Why has the club allowed those green snot blokes to get away with what they have been doing for years now?

We did not have one holding the ball, yet the swans just kept getting them?

It loos like we will miss playing finals yet again, but hay as the saying goes there is always next year and you know what it will be the same as this year and the year before.

The AFL has us and all the other clubs by the you know what's, and there is not a hell of a thing we can do about it, they control the clubs like puppets on a string, do as your told or you will get your back side spanked.

 

 Somebody has had a few post game lemonades methinks 

[spirit of norm smith 12,838]

I still think he is a better CHF.  Not a full forward. Terrible kicking. Not confident.  

Has all the physical attributes but mentally on the edge. 

No comparison to a Wayne Carey. More a Matthew Richardson type. A good player. Yes. Not a great!!

[Big Demon 197]

3 hours ago, north westerly said:

I’m not one to sensationalise, but do we honestly think he’s the answer at FF.

Trade him for two first rounders while he has some currency !

Were you at the snow for the first couple of months of the year when Hogan would of been leading our B&F pal? Form has slumped but we now know what he can do.

 

[nosoupforme 3,085]

3 hours ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

People on demonland reveal their lack of knowledge about football quite often. 

They are done through:

trade hogan

trade petracca

play pederson

to name a few

You are in LA LA LAND  You are a stirrer lol .. you don't need to cause this problem about trade. You were not at the game today obviously. You are not a true Dees faithful. 

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

3 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

You are in LA LA LAND  You are a stirrer lol .. you don't need to cause this problem about trade. You were not at the game today obviously. You are not a true Dees faithful. 

Not stirring at all, people who call for the trade of Hogan have the footy acumen of a sponge. 

He is close to the most untradable player on our list, his efforts this year have been far superior to what’s is portrayed by the gooses that suggest his trade. 

Trading Hogan, puts us back 4-5 years. There is no legitimate reason to trade him and suggestions from anyone to do it is just stupid. The further calls of playing him in VFL and playing Pederson as a forward are stupid. While I’m at it suggestion of trading Petracca is stupid also. 

So yep

 

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

4 hours ago, gOLLy said:

The man deserves his opinion.

I'd go Jones way before tho

I would strip Jones of the captaincy. I wouldn’t trade him though.

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 minute ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

Not stirring at all, people who call for the trade of Hogan have the footy acumen of a sponge. 

He is close to the most untradable player on our list, his efforts this year have been far superior to what’s is portrayed by the gooses that suggest his trade. 

Trading Hogan, puts us back 4-5 years. There is no legitimate reason to trade him and suggestions from anyone to do it is just stupid. The further calls of playing him in VFL and playing Pederson as a forward are stupid. While I’m at it suggestion of trading Petracca is stupid also. 

So yep

 

you'd trade oliver before hogan? crazy!! oliver is a best and fairest winner, likely AA this year, and maybe top 5 in the brownlow medal. And unlike hogan he tries his guts out each week.  you're one of the guys that probably wanted to keep watts. Hogan is a defensive liability  And his kicking is awful. when hogan misses games melbourne often plays better. i'd be more than willing to trade hogan for the right price. 

[rpfc 27,391]

Is sore and fighting through it. He is a beast. We are not making the most of our two fantastic tall forwards.

Leave him alone.

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

4 hours ago, gOLLy said:

The man deserves his opinion.

I'd go Jones way before tho

I would strip Jones of the captaincy. I wouldn’t trade him though.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

you'd trade oliver before hogan? crazy!! oliver is a best and fairest winner, likely AA this year, and maybe top 5 in the brownlow medal. And unlike hogan he tries his guts out each week.  you're one of the guys that probably wanted to keep watts. Hogan is a defensive liability  And his kicking is awful. when hogan misses games melbourne often plays better. i'd be more than willing to trade hogan for the right price. 

I will preface by saying I did want to keep Watts and think that he would have been able to help hitting up targets inside 50 this year, but also think that Fritsch was an acceptable trade off. 

 

But, I never stated anything about wanting to trade Oliver, I said almost, Hogan is top 5 in our untradeables, and would be close to top 3. Gawn and Oliver are 1/2. 

 

I think you are flat out wrong, he’s nearly been our most important player this year. His early year form was at all Australian level. I will agree that his pressure on the ground could improve, but will put that down to efforts in the air and km covered. 

 

Its ridiculous for people to call for him to be traded. But sure, if we get the right compensation he is tradeable. As with anyone. If we got Grundy and Sidebottom for Gawn I’d trade Gawn, but it’s unrealistic. To trade Hogan for draft picks is ridiculous

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,878]

10 hours ago, deebug said:

Trade Hogan, then what? We get a pick or two and use it on who?

Hogan is not the problem, there are many issues with our club, how ever in saying trade Hogan is silly.

The players need to man up, learn to kick straight, not panic and give off dinkey hand passes, run their guts out etc, etc etc.

Oh and we need mids  who are able to get the ball to the goal square and then kick through those big white sticks.

The club also needs to ask the AFL about the umpires, because we fart, you just gave away a free kick. 

Why has the club allowed those green snot blokes to get away with what they have been doing for years now?

We did not have one holding the ball, yet the swans just kept getting them?

It loos like we will miss playing finals yet again, but hay as the saying goes there is always next year and you know what it will be the same as this year and the year before.

The AFL has us and all the other clubs by the you know what's, and there is not a hell of a thing we can do about it, they control the clubs like puppets on a string, do as your told or you will get your back side spanked.

 

'green snot blokes' . . . PML

But get this . . . on first reading i thought you said "green snot blowers" . . .

I've been looking for an appropriate collective noun for them for 20 years (post 'white maggots') . . .

'Green snot blowers' it is!

QD

[Jaded No More 57,655]

8 hours ago, rpfc said:

Is sore and fighting through it. He is a beast. We are not making the most of our two fantastic tall forwards.

Leave him alone.

Agreed. 

Hennebry got better delivery in our forward 50, than both Hogan and TMac. 

FML!

[TGR 1,367]

This possibility is why I think Melbourne is a potential suitor for Tom Lynch.  Trading Hogan secures us picks to trade, and frees up salary space.

 

If I was Tom Lynch, Melbourne would virtually guarantee him ulitmate supply.  We get the ball I50 more than any other team.