Farewell Jesse Hogan

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,684]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Jesse Hogan

Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

 

Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			71	32-0-39	685	459	393	1078	152	81	13	110	17	174	20	132	81	37	14	458	629	124	183	87	5	44
Averages			17.75	45.07%	9.65	6.46	5.54	15.18	2.14	1.14	0.18	1.55	0.24	2.45	0.28	1.86	1.14	0.52	0.20	6.45	8.86	1.75	2.58	1.23	0.07	0.62
2015	Melbourne	1	20	6-0-14	178	134	83	261	44	19		25	1	45	5	20	17	6	5	118	139	47	52	22	1	12
2016	Melbourne	1	21	9-0-12	206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	189	43	63	24	3	12
2017	Melbourne	1	10	5-0-5	91	51	51	142	20	6		15	2	26	3	19	9	5	3	55	87	10	21	9	1	6
2018	Melbourne	1	20	12-0-8	210	125	155	365	47	23	9	41	6	56	11	54	36	16		162	214	24	47	32		14

 

 

Josh Kennedy

Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

 

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Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			220	112-2-106	1887	1296	651	2538	559	306	52	519	15	486	38	467	254	227	69	1190	1370	323	591	259	15	119
Averages			16.92	51.36%	8.58	5.89	2.96	11.54	2.54	1.39	0.24	2.36	0.07	2.21	0.17	2.12	1.15	1.03	0.33	5.41	6.23	1.47	2.69	1.18	0.07	0.54
2006	Carlton	5	9	1-1-7	36	32	16	52	5	4	1	11		15	1	17	7	8		25	30	5	8	3		1
2007	Carlton	5	13	2-0-11	57	50	40	97	6	5	40	27	4	16	6	19	10	9		40	55	7	6	15	1
2008	West Coast	17	7	1-0-6	55	46	34	89	7	4	1	7		19	2	12	9	5		34	55	9	6	7		4
2009	West Coast	17	16	6-0-10	150	110	52	202	31	17	2	28	2	40	4	35	16	13		76	128	23	32	23	1	9
2010	West Coast	17	22	4-0-18	199	130	61	260	41	19	1	60	1	69	3	58	25	27	3	108	149	28	34	30	3	15
2011	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	208	144	62	270	59	38		70		69	4	55	25	32	4	150	125	51	65	42	3	15
2012	West Coast	17	9	7-0-2	58	43	16	74	18	14		13		13	1	16	7	11	3	39	35	14	24	7	1	1
2013	West Coast	17	21	8-0-13	210	143	63	273	60	23	1	69	2	60	1	44	26	21	6	137	137	34	62	16	1	17
2014	West Coast	17	20	10-0-10	175	114	51	226	61	33		62	1	33	6	46	23	26	11	90	131	17	56	19	1	10
2015	West Coast	17	25	18-1-6	241	168	92	333	80	55		52	1	60	5	44	28	20	12	154	184	39	101	28	3	18
2016	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	229	148	71	300	82	37	1	69	3	45	4	52	34	26	17	151	157	42	87	30	1	15
2017	West Coast	17	19	11-0-8	166	111	59	225	69	39	5	27		27		32	24	18	13	112	111	34	72	28		10
2018	West Coast	17	13	12-0-1	103	57	34	137	40	18		24	1	20	1	37	20	11		74	73	20	38	11		4

 

Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

He ain't going anywhere.

[beelzebub 23,313]

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD  become our Kennedy not that he is. 

And I said " he'll be" which infers a distant date. If you want to get pedantic

[Demons11 6,915]

3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

Sorry you’re not a fan of stats but you’re commenting on a key forwards pressure numbers?  

This is exactly what he is in the side for to Lay tackles 

[Axis of Bob 11,674]

Jesse Hogan laid significantly more tackles per game this year than Josh Kennedy has in either of the past two seasons.

[Little Goffy 14,447]

Geebus. This thread is still going? I'm seriously considering adding an inane meme-gif every time it gets bumped.

It just beggars belief.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

58 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Geebus. This thread is still going? I'm seriously considering adding an inane meme-gif every time it gets bumped.

It just beggars belief.

Or... rather than troll, you could just not open it. Simples!

[Axis of Bob 11,674]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

Or... rather than troll, you could just not open it. Simples!

That isn't trolling.

Trolling is starting a thread calling to trade the best young key forward in the league.

[beelzebub 23,313]

8 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

That isn't trolling.

Trolling is starting a thread calling to trade the best young key forward in the league.

Really...don't like free discussion eh sponge. Go somewhere else

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

Jesse Hogan laid significantly more tackles per game this year than Josh Kennedy has in either of the past two seasons.

Bob - sane posters know what he brings to the table and acknowledge how good he can be.  If he wasn't struck down by injury he would have kicked 50 goals this year and he can form the sort of 1-2 punch with T Mac that most other clubs could only dream of having.

Thankfully the club knows this as well.  There is no need to get sucked in by those who can't see past their nose (and no, Moonie, I'm not including you in that!)

[Axis of Bob 11,674]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

There is no need to get sucked in by those who can't see past their nose

There's also no need to get sucked into watching grown men kick leather 

But what if it's fun? ?

[MadAsHell 4,212]

6 hours ago, Dr.D said:

you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

You're an !《!0+

[Axis of Bob 11,674]

25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Really...don't like free discussion eh sponge. Go somewhere else

I think you need to double check the grammar in this post. Otherwise it is wonderfully ironic.

And not Alanis Morisette ironic, but real ironic.

PS- I have clearly contributed to the discussion of this thread, despite it's clear idiocy at times. So your post is weird.

PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

[Romey 156]

I wonder if Sydney Swans are gearing up to  make a godfather offer to Hogan? They are apparently in the market for another forward to support Franklin and are clearing salary cap to land a big name.

They surprised a lot of people when they got Tippett and Franklin so it isn’t like they haven’t done this before.

[beelzebub 23,313]

8 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

I think you need to double check the grammar in this post. Otherwise it is wonderfully ironic.

And not Alanis Morisette ironic, but real ironic.

PS- I have clearly contributed to the discussion of this thread, despite it's clear idiocy at times. So your post is weird.

PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

Nice over reaction. Suits your stance. Real ironic? Surely you actually mean 'really ironic'. You seem to infer an unreal ironic. Now that's ironic. 

I get it you're among those that dismiss the notion as wildly heretic.  I have no attachment to any player. I'll barrack for them in red and blue, otherwise they're irrelevant.

I'm only interested in a good competitive team. That team needs balance , depth , ethics and the right attitude. It must work together as a team and implore the team ideal. 

I happen to think ( so it's just my opinion I grant ) that we function better without being hogan- centric. He hasn't shown imho the true grit required when face with superior competition. Others on the park do.

I'm happy for the club to sort that out as I am for them to entertain offers. I don't really care whether he stays or goes. If he adds to the equation, fine. 

For mine the values placed upon him are exaggerated. 

That said I'm more than happy if other teams see greater value in him and offer accordingly.

[Dr.D 1,771]

Lol you guys are unbelievable. you're so obsessed with stats. Stats only tell a little bit of the story. Kennedy doesn't stop chasing and harrasing and applies relentless pressure inside 50m. There's no stats for chasing, There's no stats for implied pressure.

Giving me tackle and goal numbers of kennedy/hogan etc. Seriously? You were probably the ones comparing watts to riewoldt statistically. 

Hogan is terrible defensively and is attitude on field is a disgrace. He stages for free kicks and complains to the umpire when the ball is still in play. I know its hard for simpletons to look deeper than his goal tally and high draft position but he needs to dramatically improve his defensive pressure. 

I was also one of the only posters in this forum at the start of the year that wanted to see more from petracca to prove that he had the polish to go to the next step as an afl player. And after this season now the media are on to him and realising that his disposal is poor and kicking for goal disgraceful. It usually takes people an extra season to look past a players draft position and call it as they see it. And i might add that anyone who thought jack watts was a good player and shouldve stayed should ban themselves from any football forum. Seriously embarassing the amount of people that thought pick 31 waa getting unders for him. 

 

[dazzledavey36 54,245]

4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Lol you guys are unbelievable. you're so obsessed with stats. Stats only tell a little bit of the story. Kennedy doesn't stop chasing and harrasing and applies relentless pressure inside 50m. There's no stats for chasing, There's no stats for implied pressure.

Giving me tackle and goal numbers of kennedy/hogan etc. Seriously? You were probably the ones comparing watts to riewoldt statistically. 

Hogan is terrible defensively and is attitude on field is a disgrace. He stages for free kicks and complains to the umpire when the ball is still in play. I know its hard for simpletons to look deeper than his goal tally and high draft position but he needs to dramatically improve his defensive pressure. 

I was also one of the only posters in this forum at the start of the year that wanted to see more from petracca to prove that he had the polish to go to the next step as an afl player. And after this season now the media are on to him and realising that his disposal is poor and kicking for goal disgraceful. It usually takes people an extra season to look past a players draft position and call it as they see it. And i might add that anyone who thought jack watts was a good player and shouldve stayed should ban themselves from any football forum. Seriously embarassing the amount of people that thought pick 31 waa getting unders for him. 

 

What's Jack Watts got to do with all this?

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

Every time I hear something about Hogan, Brendon Fevola crosses my mind.  It’s like an ear worm that won’t go away. And Fevola hasn’t played for a long long time. 

[old55 23,372]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

 

I'm happy for the club to sort that out as I am for them to entertain offers. I don't really care whether he stays or goes. If he adds to the equation, fine. 

And yet you've made the same post about 30 times in this thread. Irony?

[Moonshadow 17,675]

10 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

 

PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

Don't know about that. It made me chuckle!

[Damo 3,344]

I guess the bottom line is that some see Hoges being able to lead, mark and goal as good as Josh Kennedy in the next year or so.

I dont see that, but I can see how they have many similar attributes.

Hogan who although has stats showing he is incredibly fast, just cant get on a fast lead and mark high and in front.

 

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What's Jack Watts got to do with all this?

because everyone who loves hogan were the same people crying to the club when we shipped him out for pick 31. they have no idea about football.  The only reason i'd want to keep hogan is if they turned him into a defender because you can't sook and whinge in the d50

[beelzebub 23,313]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

And yet you've made the same post about 30 times in this thread. Irony?

repetition possibly...but not irony

[Ugottobekidding 1,174]

Wow, how long has it been since we have had two forwards kick a combined 100 goals and we want to trade one. Lol

[deebug 1,754]

3 hours ago, america de cali said:

Every time I hear something about Hogan, Brendon Fevola crosses my mind.  It’s like an ear worm that won’t go away. And Fevola hasn’t played for a long long time. 

Seek medical attention right away. 

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Damo said:

I guess the bottom line is that some see Hoges being able to lead, mark and goal as good as Josh Kennedy in the next year or so.

I dont see that, but I can see how they have many similar attributes.

Hogan who although has stats showing he is incredibly fast, just cant get on a fast lead and mark high and in front.

 

 

I think WE at Melbourne get way too sympathetic and romantic over players who have a good story,,, but proved very little when it actually counts.