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Farewell Jesse Hogan

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3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Jesse Hogan

Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

 

Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44
Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62
2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19   25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12
2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12
2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6   15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6
2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16   162 214 24 47 32   14

 

 

Josh Kennedy

Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

 

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Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119
Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54
2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11   15 1 17 7 8   25 30 5 8 3   1
2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9   40 55 7 6 15 1  
2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7   19 2 12 9 5   34 55 9 6 7   4
2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13   76 128 23 32 23 1 9
2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15
2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38   70   69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15
2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14   13   13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1
2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17
2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33   62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10
2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55   52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18
2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15
2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27   27   32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28   10
2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18   24 1 20 1 37 20 11   74 73 20 38 11   4

 

Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

He ain't going anywhere.

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    18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD  become our Kennedy not that he is. 

    And I said " he'll be" which infers a distant date. If you want to get pedantic ;)

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    3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

    at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

    Sorry you’re not a fan of stats but you’re commenting on a key forwards pressure numbers?  

    This is exactly what he is in the side for to Lay tackles 

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    Jesse Hogan laid significantly more tackles per game this year than Josh Kennedy has in either of the past two seasons.

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    Geebus. This thread is still going? I'm seriously considering adding an inane meme-gif every time it gets bumped.

    It just beggars belief.

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    58 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Geebus. This thread is still going? I'm seriously considering adding an inane meme-gif every time it gets bumped.

    It just beggars belief.

    Or... rather than troll, you could just not open it. Simples!

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    Just now, Moonshadow said:

    Or... rather than troll, you could just not open it. Simples!

    That isn't trolling.

    Trolling is starting a thread calling to trade the best young key forward in the league.

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    8 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

    That isn't trolling.

    Trolling is starting a thread calling to trade the best young key forward in the league.

    Really...don't like free discussion eh sponge. Go somewhere else

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    2 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

    Jesse Hogan laid significantly more tackles per game this year than Josh Kennedy has in either of the past two seasons.

    Bob - sane posters know what he brings to the table and acknowledge how good he can be.  If he wasn't struck down by injury he would have kicked 50 goals this year and he can form the sort of 1-2 punch with T Mac that most other clubs could only dream of having.

    Thankfully the club knows this as well.  There is no need to get sucked in by those who can't see past their nose (and no, Moonie, I'm not including you in that!)

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    Just now, Wiseblood said:

    There is no need to get sucked in by those who can't see past their nose

    There's also no need to get sucked into watching grown men kick leather 

    But what if it's fun? ?

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    6 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

    at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

    You're an !《!0+

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    25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

    Really...don't like free discussion eh sponge. Go somewhere else

    I think you need to double check the grammar in this post. Otherwise it is wonderfully ironic.

    And not Alanis Morisette ironic, but real ironic.

    PS- I have clearly contributed to the discussion of this thread, despite it's clear idiocy at times. So your post is weird.

    PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

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    I wonder if Sydney Swans are gearing up to  make a godfather offer to Hogan? They are apparently in the market for another forward to support Franklin and are clearing salary cap to land a big name.

    They surprised a lot of people when they got Tippett and Franklin so it isn’t like they haven’t done this before.

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    8 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

    I think you need to double check the grammar in this post. Otherwise it is wonderfully ironic.

    And not Alanis Morisette ironic, but real ironic.

    PS- I have clearly contributed to the discussion of this thread, despite it's clear idiocy at times. So your post is weird.

    PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

    Nice over reaction. Suits your stance. Real ironic? Surely you actually mean 'really ironic'. You seem to infer an unreal ironic. Now that's ironic. 

    I get it you're among those that dismiss the notion as wildly heretic.  I have no attachment to any player. I'll barrack for them in red and blue, otherwise they're irrelevant.

    I'm only interested in a good competitive team. That team needs balance , depth , ethics and the right attitude. It must work together as a team and implore the team ideal. 

    I happen to think ( so it's just my opinion I grant ) that we function better without being hogan- centric. He hasn't shown imho the true grit required when face with superior competition. Others on the park do.

    I'm happy for the club to sort that out as I am for them to entertain offers. I don't really care whether he stays or goes. If he adds to the equation, fine. 

    For mine the values placed upon him are exaggerated. 

    That said I'm more than happy if other teams see greater value in him and offer accordingly.

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    Lol you guys are unbelievable. you're so obsessed with stats. Stats only tell a little bit of the story. Kennedy doesn't stop chasing and harrasing and applies relentless pressure inside 50m. There's no stats for chasing, There's no stats for implied pressure.

    Giving me tackle and goal numbers of kennedy/hogan etc. Seriously? You were probably the ones comparing watts to riewoldt statistically. 

    Hogan is terrible defensively and is attitude on field is a disgrace. He stages for free kicks and complains to the umpire when the ball is still in play. I know its hard for simpletons to look deeper than his goal tally and high draft position but he needs to dramatically improve his defensive pressure. 

    I was also one of the only posters in this forum at the start of the year that wanted to see more from petracca to prove that he had the polish to go to the next step as an afl player. And after this season now the media are on to him and realising that his disposal is poor and kicking for goal disgraceful. It usually takes people an extra season to look past a players draft position and call it as they see it. And i might add that anyone who thought jack watts was a good player and shouldve stayed should ban themselves from any football forum. Seriously embarassing the amount of people that thought pick 31 waa getting unders for him. 

     

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    4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Lol you guys are unbelievable. you're so obsessed with stats. Stats only tell a little bit of the story. Kennedy doesn't stop chasing and harrasing and applies relentless pressure inside 50m. There's no stats for chasing, There's no stats for implied pressure.

    Giving me tackle and goal numbers of kennedy/hogan etc. Seriously? You were probably the ones comparing watts to riewoldt statistically. 

    Hogan is terrible defensively and is attitude on field is a disgrace. He stages for free kicks and complains to the umpire when the ball is still in play. I know its hard for simpletons to look deeper than his goal tally and high draft position but he needs to dramatically improve his defensive pressure. 

    I was also one of the only posters in this forum at the start of the year that wanted to see more from petracca to prove that he had the polish to go to the next step as an afl player. And after this season now the media are on to him and realising that his disposal is poor and kicking for goal disgraceful. It usually takes people an extra season to look past a players draft position and call it as they see it. And i might add that anyone who thought jack watts was a good player and shouldve stayed should ban themselves from any football forum. Seriously embarassing the amount of people that thought pick 31 waa getting unders for him. 

     

    What's Jack Watts got to do with all this?

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    Every time I hear something about Hogan, Brendon Fevola crosses my mind.  It’s like an ear worm that won’t go away. And Fevola hasn’t played for a long long time. 

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    1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

     

    I'm happy for the club to sort that out as I am for them to entertain offers. I don't really care whether he stays or goes. If he adds to the equation, fine. 

    And yet you've made the same post about 30 times in this thread. Irony?

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    10 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

     

    PPS- You're embarrassing yourself with the 'sponge' thing you're trying to be clever about. The avatar is based on my screen name, not vice versa.

    Don't know about that. It made me chuckle!

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    I guess the bottom line is that some see Hoges being able to lead, mark and goal as good as Josh Kennedy in the next year or so.

    I dont see that, but I can see how they have many similar attributes.

    Hogan who although has stats showing he is incredibly fast, just cant get on a fast lead and mark high and in front.

     

     

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    2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    What's Jack Watts got to do with all this?

    because everyone who loves hogan were the same people crying to the club when we shipped him out for pick 31. they have no idea about football.  The only reason i'd want to keep hogan is if they turned him into a defender because you can't sook and whinge in the d50

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    2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

    And yet you've made the same post about 30 times in this thread. Irony?

    repetition possibly...but not irony

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    3 hours ago, america de cali said:

    Every time I hear something about Hogan, Brendon Fevola crosses my mind.  It’s like an ear worm that won’t go away. And Fevola hasn’t played for a long long time. 

    Seek medical attention right away. 

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    2 hours ago, Damo said:

    I guess the bottom line is that some see Hoges being able to lead, mark and goal as good as Josh Kennedy in the next year or so.

    I dont see that, but I can see how they have many similar attributes.

    Hogan who although has stats showing he is incredibly fast, just cant get on a fast lead and mark high and in front.

     

     

    I think WE at Melbourne get way too sympathetic and romantic over players who have a good story,,, but proved very little when it actually counts.

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