On 12/10/2018 at 07:52, Demons rising said:

I wonder what the equivalent Fremantle Oruro demon land are sayin 

Oh well, he'll be a free agent next year?

HAHAHAh  they went after Kelly when he and his manager hate Freo. Freo will struggle this time next year

Edited October 12, 20186 yr by david_neitz_is_my_dad

  On 12/10/2018 at 07:12, DeeZone said:

I say screw Freo we do not owe them 1 IOTA, keep Jesse and let him have some fun and success at the same time in the Red & Blue..........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fremantle you have embarrassed Jesse Hogan's value if you stoop so low and you are looking for a bargain basement you  might find something you like at K Mart. You mistook David Jones for K Mart. Sorry Freo you took the wrong turn!

HEAVE HO AWAY WE GO WHERE WE STOP WE DO NOT KNOW.  

Come on Dees! convince him to extend his contract.

Freo, having recruited some good young mids to play alongside Fyfe, now have the chance to set up their spine for years to come with Hogan and Lobb both keen to play there next year. 

They proceed to treat both players, and their respective clubs, with total disrespect. 

It sends a bad signal to any player who wants to go there in the future, and will turn off clubs when dealing with them in the future. 

Horrible stuff from a poorly run club. 

  On 12/10/2018 at 07:07, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I'm pleasantly surprised that all of the criticism for this shambles is falling on Freo and Bell.

The fact remains MFC have publicly shopped an A grade contracted player only for him to be rejected by his long time suitor - in and of it's own this would have been the worst potential outcome when first considering this move.

Yep. That's what happened. FMD

Hope Freo miss out on Hogan & Lobb, then elect not to trade Neale and he sits out for a year. Would be amazing scenes. 

  On 12/10/2018 at 07:48, BrisbaneDemon said:

If Adam Treloar, Bryce Gibbs are worth two first round picks.  Jesse Hogan is ? % worth two first rounders.  To say he isn’t is short sighted and clearly haven’t seen many of his games.

I don't like to always use the draft pick value system to make a point, but pick 5 is very valuable, especially in this draft.

Gibbs was picks 10 and 16, which on a value basis is less than 5 and 23.

But yes, I get your point.

Things can't always be exactly how you want them and sometimes you make decisions based on net gain and your prospects as a footy club.

Nearly at 300.

  On 12/10/2018 at 06:14, DV8 said:

I see, I was reading this  >  Friday, 16 November 2pm: NAB AFL Trade Period closes (for exchange of selections only).

Would you believe.... "insert Maxwell Smart" line here

It would seem that the whispers I heard a few days ago were correct with regard to the situation within Freo. I had not heard, however, just how badly they were handling the possible trade. 

If as I heard, they were not 100% committed to making the deal, they should have walked away without making a silly offer that was never going to be accepted. It has done their reputation no good what so ever.

From the statement Bell made, the only reason they made the offer was so they could say "well we tried and Melbourne wanted too much". In the broader football world, all the other clubs understand what has transpired.

I think Melbourne has been very transparent with the way they have handled the situation. Hogan wanted to explore his options and the club, with a clear understanding of  what he has been through over the last few years, agreed to allow him to look around. that agreement came with a clear indication that if he wanted to move, we would need to get fair compensation.

This is out in the public forum. What was never stated in public by Hogan or his management is that Hogan wanted to be traded to Freo at this time. I believe that this is significant.

Melbourne has come out of this with it's reputation enhanced and this will stand us in good stead in the future, not only with other clubs but also with players.

I do not think there will be any further discussion on a possible move to Freo this trade period.

It will  be very interesting to see what the response is from the club and Hogan in the medium term with regard to a possible contract extension.

Do not be surprised if the club gets the May deal done.

Tim Kelly would rather stay at Geelong for one for season than play for Fremantle, @RalphyHeraldSun

Nobody is going to want too deal with these [censored]! And players won’t want to go there... Someone in purple is trying to be a hard arse pumping his chest! 

If that’s you Peter Bell it ain’t working! You need to take your cape off and suffocate yourself immediately! 

Who is the fella who took over from Lloyd. He seems to be another [censored] in the gun who is going to ruin this club! 

I would love if Cerra and Brayshaw told them they want out and back to Victoria and won’t be signing on any further... 

Perhaps this is fantasyland talk (but hey isn't that half of what DLand is all about!) but this could perhaps end up being a similar spur on that Dustin Martin got when he shopped himself around. It of course depends on the character of the bloke but he can choose to make this a positive for 2019 and beyond by saying to himself, "screw Freo for stuffing me around", recommit to us and come out fit and firing for next year ready to prove he belongs in the competitions elite.

It's also on his teammates to make sure in no uncertain terms they are glad he's still with us, and try to make him more of a Demon.

Freo is getting to be a basket case. Imagine getting Bennell and now is a $$$ liability.  

Hogan should devote himself to staying in Melbourne.  Go for 2019 and beyond premierships

  On 11/10/2018 at 13:03, binman said:

So to be clear you think there is a risk jessie will get to freo via next year's draft? And we get nothing. 

Still thinking this?

Late to the party here but apparently we would've done the deal for 5 and 23. What in the hell?! What happened to our price of two first rounders?? Contracted, a generational key forward tracking better than superstar key forwards of the past, plus 5 years of development under his belt. And we were happy with 5 and 23...? 

In an era where Bryce Gibbs and Adam Treloar are worth two first rounders. Cannot believe how quickly we folded on his currency and bloody relieved the situation fell apart and he's staying put. No way should you trade a player like Hogan unless you get value in return. 

I'm all for "fair trades" but that's just getting bent over for the highest tradeable commodity on our list. 

Edited October 12, 20186 yr by SaberFang

  On 12/10/2018 at 07:32, Bonkers said:

Right at this time it's hard to have any respect at all for Fremantle. The Age has reported that Fremantle assured Hogan's manager that pick 6 would be included in a deal for him and that was then promised to Melbourne. MFC may not have even entered into discussions if this was not promised. If this is the case they have gone back on their word to Jesse, they have stuffed everyone around. I find it hard to respect anyone like that. 

 

 

Ahhh I didn’t say I respected how they have gone about this... I said i have more respect putting themselves on the line than for the purples of the world. 

At the end of the day it is going to be very difficult for Hogan to waltz back in, on a temporary status  for 12 months, maybe he’s been taken for a ride by his manager and Freo, or maybe on the couch is the right place for him.

Edited October 12, 20186 yr by bluey

  On 12/10/2018 at 07:48, BrisbaneDemon said:

If Adam Treloar, Bryce Gibbs are worth two first round picks.  Jesse Hogan is ? % worth two first rounders.  To say he isn’t is short sighted and clearly haven’t seen many of his games.

Bryce Gibbs was definitely not worth two first round picks (10 and 16) at age 28. They paid way overs because they were blinded by losing a GF and thinking this was the trade that would be the difference in 2018. Plus there were a bunch of other picks swapped that meant Adelaide got a future 2nd and 3rd rounder as well (picks 21 and 40), so that equates to better than pick 16 and dilutes what they paid. Still too much. 

Treloar is a good player who hasn't missed a lot of games through injury. They paid overs to get him, but not excessively. He was 21 when traded, so had a lot left in him.

I'm not denying Hogan is a talent and a bloody good player. What would I pay? A top 10 and a 2nd rounder. A demand for any more and I'd walk away. He's 24 early next year and has a history of injuries. Foot injuries are often persistent and can be career ending. See Eric MacKenzie. 

 

  On 12/10/2018 at 08:20, bluey said:

At the end of the day it is going to be very difficult for Hogan to waltz back in, on a

temporary status  for 12 months, maybe he’s been taken for a ride by his manager and Freo, or maybe on the couch is the right place for him.

We'll have to wait for the outcome, but strange days ahead, definitely.

The Dees are going to give Freo the Woop Ass treatment at Optus next season... I’m certain of that!

  On 12/10/2018 at 08:20, Aus in Engerland said:

Bryce Gibbs was definitely not worth two first round picks (10 and 16) at age 28. They paid way overs because they were blinded by losing a GF and thinking this was the trade that would be the difference in 2018. Plus there were a bunch of other picks swapped that meant Adelaide got a future 2nd and 3rd rounder as well (picks 21 and 40), so that equates to better than pick 16 and dilutes what they paid. Still too much. 

Treloar is a good player who hasn't missed a lot of games through injury. They paid overs to get him, but not excessively. He was 21 when traded, so had a lot left in him.

I'm not denying Hogan is a talent and a bloody good player. What would I pay? A top 10 and a 2nd rounder. A demand for any more and I'd walk away. He's 24 early next year and has a history of injuries. Foot injuries are often persistent and can be career ending. See Eric MacKenzie. 

 

Ya see...reason exists.

  On 12/10/2018 at 08:18, SaberFang said:

Late to the party here but apparently we would've done the deal for 5 and 23. What in the hell?! What happened to our price of two first rounders?? Contracted, a generational key forward tracking better than superstar key forwards of the past, plus 5 years of development under his belt. And we were happy with 5 and 23...? 

In an era where Bryce Gibbs and Adam Treloar are worth two first rounders. Cannot believe how quickly we folded on his currency and bloody relieved the situation fell apart and he's staying put. No way should you trade a player like Hogan unless you get value in return. 

I'm all for "fair trades" but that's just getting bent over for the highest tradeable commodity on our list. 

Have i missed something? 

  On 12/10/2018 at 08:20, Aus in Engerland said:

Bryce Gibbs was definitely not worth two first round picks (10 and 16) at age 28. They paid way overs because they were blinded by losing a GF and thinking this was the trade that would be the difference in 2018. Plus there were a bunch of other picks swapped that meant Adelaide got a future 2nd and 3rd rounder as well (picks 21 and 40), so that equates to better than pick 16 and dilutes what they paid. Still too much. 

Treloar is a good player who hasn't missed a lot of games through injury. They paid overs to get him, but not excessively. He was 21 when traded, so had a lot left in him.

I'm not denying Hogan is a talent and a bloody good player. What would I pay? A top 10 and a 2nd rounder. A demand for any more and I'd walk away. He's 24 early next year and has a history of injuries. Foot injuries are often persistent and can be career ending. See Eric MacKenzie. 

 

Adelaide got back Carltons 2nd and 3rd rounds this year. i think 21+39

  On 12/10/2018 at 08:11, CHF said:

Do not be surprised if the club gets the May deal done.

How?