Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Redleg 40,907]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Don't start telling them this Red....they all think the circus is real. Well it is real...it's a real circus lol

It's a bit like impromptu theatre. Most has already been sorted or situated....just needs the paperwork

Most people enjoy the illusion though.

The elephants have entered the ring, after the clowns and jugglers.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

More tea leaves: EnterTheDragon is stuie.

On.

A.

Roll.

#rpfcreadsdemleaves

Better chuck those tea leaves into the compost, Amigo!

#rpfcstrikesout 

[CHF 2,738]

I am hesitant to post this as it is very different from what has already been posted.

I have heard, from half a world away a couple of very interesting whispers with regard to Freo, MFC and Hogan.

_ Melbourne prepared to deal if Hogan is happy moving and if they get the asking price.

_ Hogan is not 100% sold on Freo. Not confident posting what I heard as it may get this place in trouble.

_ Hogan and Freo both feel this is the last best chance to get him to move clubs but there is uncertainty both ways between Freo and Hogan. 

_ MFC sitting quietly waiting to see what they need to do but will not sit without a decision any longer that tomorrow. There are too many other things that nee to get done.

My take on what I have heard, assuming it is correct, is that I am leaning towards Hogan staying another year and looking at another 1 year extension. I do not believe player or either club wants to go through this again next year.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,202]

3 minutes ago, CHF said:

I am hesitant to post this as it is very different from what has already been posted.

I have heard, from half a world away a couple of very interesting whispers with regard to Freo, MFC and Hogan.

_ Melbourne prepared to deal if Hogan is happy moving and if they get the asking price.

_ Hogan is not 100% sold on Freo. Not confident posting what I heard as it may get this place in trouble.

_ Hogan and Freo both feel this is the last best chance to get him to move clubs but there is uncertainty both ways between Freo and Hogan. 

_ MFC sitting quietly waiting to see what they need to do but will not sit without a decision any longer that tomorrow. There are too many other things that nee to get done.

My take on what I have heard, assuming it is correct, is that I am leaning towards Hogan staying another year and looking at another 1 year extension. I do not believe player or either club wants to go through this again next year.

I'm hearing very similar 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

21 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Not in a million years would I trade pick 5 for Steven May. Jesus! What a disastrous outcome that would be.

I'd rather take a punt in the draft with talent that high, at least you'll get a decade longer out of them!

Yeah ... we could get a guaranteed Jimmy Toumpas, Jarrad Grant or Jono O’Rourke! Or one of those King Bros who I’ve heard are the Next Big Things!

Saberfang - we are entering a five year premiership window. We need a quality fullback. A proven fullback. They don’t grow on trees.

You can’t keep building from the bottom with 18yos forever. The time has come to load up with seasoned talent for a proper crack at silverware.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

7 minutes ago, CHF said:

My take on what I have heard, assuming it is correct, is that I am leaning towards Hogan staying another year and looking at another 1 year extension. I do not believe player or either club wants to go through this again next year.

1 year extension ??

If Hogan stays put the only way this circus sideshow doesn’t reoccur next year is if he signs on for minimum 3 additional years until 2022.

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

1 year extension ??

If Hogan stays put the only way this circus sideshow doesn’t reoccur next year is if he signs on for minimum 3 additional years until 2022.

puck that, 13 years taking him to 2032

[What 18,810]

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

Not in a million years would I trade pick 5 for Steven May. Jesus! What a disastrous outcome that would be.

 

Agreed.  Theres no way that can be an accurate rumour, surely.

[Lord Neville X Flash 281]

43 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Yeah ... we could get a guaranteed Jimmy Toumpas, Jarrad Grant or Jono O’Rourke! Or one of those King Bros who I’ve heard are the Next Big Things!

Saberfang - we are entering a five year premiership window. We need a quality fullback. A proven fullback. They don’t grow on trees.

You can’t keep building from the bottom with 18yos forever. The time has come to load up with seasoned talent for a proper crack at silverware.

Pick 5 of a super draft for a semi-unproven good full back who is 28 years old is well overs. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Lord Neville X Flash

[GM11 776]

4 hours ago, SPC said:

Long time listener, first time caller.. is there any point reading the last 199 pages? What have I missed? Has he signed elsewhere?

 

On 10/2/2018 at 3:51 PM, Redleg said:

It’s crystal clear now, Jesse will leave unless he doesn’t and we will get May unless we don’t.

No, this is all you need to read.

[Dr.D 1,771]

yes pick 5 is slightly over for steven may but if it means oscar mcdonald is no longer gifted games then I'm all for it. 2 birds, 1 stone!

imagine playing richmond next year with frost and oscar mcdonald pitted against tom lynch and jack riewoldt. f#$k me dead! lever is a 3rd man up defender. we need may.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,049]

14 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Pick 5 of a super draft for a semi-unproven good full back who is 28 years old is well overs. 

I want to know how far May is off a lifetime ban.  He's been rubbed out a few times.  Got five weeks not that long ago.  Do you give a first round pick for a 28 year old who's one stray elbow away from a lifetime ban? 

[monoccular 17,427]

8 hours ago, ManDee said:

 

No, he can walk.

Oh ...

 so his foot has healed, at least for now?

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

Not in a million years would I trade pick 5 for Steven May. Jesus! What a disastrous outcome that would be.

I'd rather take a punt in the draft with talent that high, at least you'll get a decade longer out of them!

Are you perhaps suggesting that we have yet another crack at a tall King?

[Adam The God 30,239]

43 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I want to know how far May is off a lifetime ban.  He's been rubbed out a few times.  Got five weeks not that long ago.  Do you give a first round pick for a 28 year old who's one stray elbow away from a lifetime ban? 

That is an hysterical viewpoint, mate.

Edited October 8, 2018 by A F

[RalphiusMaximus 6,049]

Just now, A F said:

That is am hysterical viewpoint, mate.

Actually, it's a question. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

45 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Pick 5 of a super draft for a semi-unproven good full back who is 28 years old is well overs. 

See DrD’s post above. He nails it. Frost/OMac v Lynch/Riewoldt? v Kennedy/Darling? v Patton/Cameron? Please.

Who are you trying to kid LordNev.

And who cares if it’s slightly overs for May? Freo are likely to pay us slightly overs for Hogan. Swings and roundabouts.

It’s all about winning a premiership now for the Melbourne Football Club. Not forever mining for draft gold that may or may not materialise.

May is a gun. And an absolute brute to boot. Or do you have better judgment than the MFC, Hawks, Bombers and Pies football departments? Coz it really seems like you think you do.

Edited October 8, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Adam The God 30,239]

Has any footballer ever been banned for life for elbowing?

It just sounds like you're looking for reasons to say no that aren't there.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,503]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

yes pick 5 is slightly over for steven may but if it means oscar mcdonald is no longer gifted games then I'm all for it. 2 birds, 1 stone!

imagine playing richmond next year with frost and oscar mcdonald pitted against tom lynch and jack riewoldt. f#$k me dead! lever is a 3rd man up defender. we need may.

Jack Riewoldt kicked 10 goals 6 behinds against a Gold Coast defense led by Stephen May in round 21 this year.

Riewoldt kicked 2 goals 2 behinds against Melbourne when lining up on Oscar in the ANZAC eve match.

[Pates 9,660]

3 hours ago, CHF said:

I am hesitant to post this as it is very different from what has already been posted.

I have heard, from half a world away a couple of very interesting whispers with regard to Freo, MFC and Hogan.

_ Melbourne prepared to deal if Hogan is happy moving and if they get the asking price.

_ Hogan is not 100% sold on Freo. Not confident posting what I heard as it may get this place in trouble.

_ Hogan and Freo both feel this is the last best chance to get him to move clubs but there is uncertainty both ways between Freo and Hogan. 

_ MFC sitting quietly waiting to see what they need to do but will not sit without a decision any longer that tomorrow. There are too many other things that nee to get done.

My take on what I have heard, assuming it is correct, is that I am leaning towards Hogan staying another year and looking at another 1 year extension. I do not believe player or either club wants to go through this again next year.

Interesting you say this but I would say it matches a lot of what I’m feeling about all this. Given the time this has played out and the fact that Hogan is still yet to make a decision leads me to believe that a strong part of Hogan wants to go home but not at the expense of his footballing dreams. 

All parties might well feel this is his best opportunity to get home, but Jesse himself may be feeling like Melbourne is his better chance at a premiership (that would be my opinion as well) and he isn’t as desperate to get home as others have in the past. 

He’s toured the facilities, he’s heard the pitch, he’s surely been told all the bells and whistles, and hopes and dreams. If he isn’t convinced by now he could be leaning towards staying. 

However if he is to stay I’d be looking for at least a two year extension, one year seems pretty pointless to me and I would prefer longer. 

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

3 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

1 year extension ??

If Hogan stays put the only way this circus sideshow doesn’t reoccur next year is if he signs on for minimum 3 additional years until 2022.

If Hogan actually intends to stay at the MFC, then he is doing his cause a poor service. He ushers in thoughts that he will be as popular as hens' teeth with the players, the Club administrators, the coaches and his many, many fans and supporters. He will also be a media and spectator laughing stock for putting two clubs and a whole system of AFL trade processes in jeopardy, doubt and dilemma from this overt display of Narcissistic infatuation, silence and public disregard.

If he doesn't wish to be at the MFC in 2019, then there is little chance that he will opt to play well with drive and determination for the sake of the MFC team and may resist opportunities to prepare for the coming season with his utmost determination - he will bide his time for a relaxed release in one year - why not? He is on good money for rope and has greater chance of his Freo transference (or WCE) without contractual obligations remaining with the MFC at that time.

If he does the 'early' transfer, then the MFC will assist him in appropriately paternal ways, as stated, (and this is something that he would have intended - all along - to exploit as evidenced by his current indifference to standard football protocols and 'fair play' courtesies, and the 'time-rich' trading lead-up, its advent and most probably in the future within his 'new' digs, elsewhere ). However, it would also be a confirmation to his intended new club that they are dealing with a petulant opportunist who has entered a period of losing his credibility as a valuable player - to their loss - and 'team man', both on and off the field of play. He will have to strive - perhaps in excess of his capability - to regain, re-establish and reinforce himself on the game's larger picture. 

This impression might all have been avoided by one action: open communication of intent. For some observers who cling to word of his decision-making and intent at this critical time, it is most distressing.

 

[bing181 9,222]

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Jack Riewoldt kicked 10 goals 6 behinds against a Gold Coast defense led by Stephen May in round 21 this year.

Riewoldt kicked 2 goals 2 behinds against Melbourne when lining up on Oscar in the ANZAC eve match.

Which just goes to show the importance of team-wide defence.

Edited October 8, 2018 by bing181

[old55 23,562]

7 hours ago, Chook in Perth said:

I wish you were my dad when I was 17. 

That would make you my grand son.

[KingDingAling 3,757]

So we've told Freo if Hogan does seek a trade,  that picks 5 and 6 will get this deal done. Obviously Freo will baulk at that, and won't give up those picks, and we will most likely come to an arrangement of picks 5 and Freo's 2019 first round pick. That would be a good deal for Hogan. I can't see Fremantle making the 8. They should still be bottom 6-8.

[old55 23,562]

3 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I want to know how far May is off a lifetime ban.  He's been rubbed out a few times.  Got five weeks not that long ago.  Do you give a first round pick for a 28 year old who's one stray elbow away from a lifetime ban? 

WTF are you talking about.  What's this "lifetime ban" rule.  You've been watching too many US cop shows "3 strikes ..."

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

WTF are you talking about.  What's this "lifetime ban" rule.  You've been watching too many US cop shows "3 strikes ..."

The 16 weeks suspension and banned for life is an AFL Victoria rule and doesn’t apply to the AFL is my understanding.