Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Adam The God 30,421]

28 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Fox Footy seem to think it's pick 4 only, and old mate Tom Morris thinks we can't have both Jesse and Steven May due to the salary cap. How do these people get jobs?

All these journos look like idiotic econ kids to me. 

[beelzebub 23,383]

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Call me what you want but if we accept pick 4 by itself for Hogan then hand that over for May I won’t buy my regular three memberships next year. That said I seriously can’t see that scenario happening, it is just that ridiculous to me. 

are you late for dinner ?

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Just reported on 3AW that Jesse is flying to Perth for the second time this week to (apparently) agree to a long term contract

Richo said that he did his stats on Hogan - after 70 games, his stats were better than Franklin's, Riewoldt's and others..he ranked #1

[Ethan Tremblay 30,971]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

are you late for dinner ?

Except for that. 

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 771]

4 minutes ago, olisik said:

[censored] oath Jesse needs to say something.

It's possible he doesn't as yet know what Freo are offering. They'll be wanting to sell him the idea, get him to Perth, viewing the new facilities etc, coffees in Freo on a spring sunny day, sell sell sell  and then offering an amount too good to refuse rather than just an offer via his agent. The thing is, I believe he is open to a trade, but I suspect for him to leave, the offer will have to be a very good one. I don't believe he wants to go home that badly he'll accept similar money to what he's on now and if Freo offer him 1mil or more per year then his value to Freo is set and they will need to trade accordingly.

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Call me what you want but if we accept pick 4 by itself for Hogan then hand that over for May I won’t buy my regular three memberships next year. That said I seriously can’t see that scenario happening, it is just that ridiculous to me. 

I get it, ET.  However, if what we get generates enough improvement to give us a flag, then I really don’t mind.  However, we won’t know for 12 months.  We all have an expectation and want the club to match or better this.  Hopefully the signalling of ‘most valuable ever’ gives us an idea of what the club thinks...

[Demons11 7,058]

41 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Yep, their first 2 picks, 4 & 5, or its not on...  we'll deal with another suitor.

So Ross, your balls are in your own court, up in the Air,,,  and all that stuff.

 

Yoall Comeback when your serious'',  Signon-aria.

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Deal with another suitor. 

Thats difficult when the only other team just won the premiership and has pick 18

[Johnny Karate 559]

7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Call me what you want but if we accept pick 4 by itself for Hogan then hand that over for May I won’t buy my regular three memberships next year. That said I seriously can’t see that scenario happening, it is just that ridiculous to me. 

I would also be disappointed. However, our moves in the off-season of late have been very pragmatic. As another poster stated our FD tends to look at the trade period wholistically (I.e. net gain/loss) rather than ‘winning’ individual deals

[John Demonic 5,850]

17 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

Watching the trade low down. It’s amazing how these muppets think pick 4 alone will get the deal done for Hogan, and that goes to Gold Coast to May. So effectively May for Hogan. Even trade radio are saying this also. 

Wtf is wrong with the media?  How can these muppets possibly fathom that’s Hogan market value? Even Fremantle supporters are in agreeance with us realistically Hogan will cost two first rounders. 

One fella said it earlier on forum, theyre subconsciously trying to shape the narrative and keep a smaller vic club and prelim team from getting two 1st round picks and becoming a force.

Edited October 3, 2018 by johndemonic

[beelzebub 23,383]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Except for that. 

got ya

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Exactly. Hogan is worth way more than Weller.

Just read that Sam Mclure thinks we should get May for Hogan and nothing else lol.    Where do they find these morons?

The guy is a peanut. PR manager for the Carlton Football Club.

[Johnny Karate 559]

Just now, johndemonic said:

One fella said it earlier on forum, theyre subconsciously trying to shape the narrative and keep a smaller club and prelim team from getting two 1st round picks and becoming a force.

I think more simply they are looking to create content by baiting and throwing up red herrings. They have 12 hours less ads to fill & the frigging trade period doesn’t start for a week. Their station is the equivalent of a 140+ page internet thread.

[DeeSpencer 26,083]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Was just thinking, if we could get 4/5 from Freo for Jesse and could get GC to accept our first pick in 2019 plus a player or another pick thrown in, we could have 2 early picks to use in this draft,

GC has a swag of early picks in this draft I think it is 7 in top 40 and therefore may be happy to spread it a bit and take another first rounder next year to avoid a glut of 18 year olds this year being added to the list.

If we could swing that sort of deal and if say GC took the King twins, who would solve FF and FB soon, as replacements for Lynch and May, options would open. The Kings are 202 cms and strong so could possibly play next year. They have said they are happier to go interstate if picked together.

If that happened, we would have a Jesse replacement in Lukosius and could take Rozee his mate, or Rankine also from SA.

It is just another scenario that could develop. If GC took the SA boys we would have the Kings and would only need to draft or trade for mids, this year and next.

We could even keep 5 and trade 4 to Port for 9 and 10 or do a deal with the Crows for a player and their first pick. We could have 3 picks in the top 10 or 2 in the top 12 and a player.  The options really open up.

Just a thought.

Very ambitious thinking. I reckon to get 4 and 5 from Freo we'd have to give up something pretty solid. I can't remember a player ever being traded for 2 blue chip pieces like that. Even the Judd deal had Josh Kennedy devalued from a true blue chipper to more of a gamble on his upside. Lever's deal last year relied on both of our first rounders not being the real top line picks. Beams was pick 5 and 25. Burgoyne, Treloar had the Pies planning on improvement and getting a 2nd rounder back I just can't remember a deal of two super high picks. 1 player = 1 blue chip piece.

Similarly Gold Coast have May contracted for another year and the chance at some juicy AFL free agency compensation. We have to get inside pick 10 I think, even if we get more than just May for it.

From all reports the King's have flat out told GC to stay away. Maybe they draft both of them and hope that works. I'm not so sure. And if we draft them there's a good chance they both need 3 years and 30 AFL games of finding their feet footy which doesn't help us. 

I actually think the best case scenario is 5 and 10 for Hogan. 1 of those picks goes to May. 1 goes to the draft if no one wants it. 

The 2019 first rounder could be moved forward in to this years draft and maybe split in to a few pieces. The Eagles traded their future first with the Suns for a raft of 2nd round picks. I'm not sure another club would be that stupid but it would be a way to really beef up the depth of our list and solve some needs. I get the appeal of landing a Josh Kelly but drafting one high quality kid early and then some mid round picks for another Spargo and Fritsch could really set the list up. Then we turn to free agency. We'd all like Josh Kelly but I'd settle for taking a heap of talent in this years draft to make sure we're stocked in the years to come and then landing Chad Wingard as a free agent next year.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,778]

I do feel we're being softened up to accept unders for Jesse... If we don't get 2 x First Rounders, I'll be dissappointed

But, we're going to have plenty of late 2nd / 3rd ish round picks you'd think in return for Kent, Tyson amd AvB (if he goes). Perhaps we get pick 4 + Brayshaw, for Hogan and pick XX (e.g. Kent return)

Then, pick 4 to GCS get us May plus a discount on KK. So 4 plus pick YY (e.g. late 3rd round) for May and KK

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Very ambitious thinking. I reckon to get 4 and 5 from Freo we'd have to give up something pretty solid. I can't remember a player ever being traded for 2 blue chip pieces like that. Even the Judd deal had Josh Kennedy devalued from a true blue chipper to more of a gamble on his upside. Lever's deal last year relied on both of our first rounders not being the real top line picks. Beams was pick 5 and 25. Burgoyne, Treloar had the Pies planning on improvement and getting a 2nd rounder back I just can't remember a deal of two super high picks. 1 player = 1 blue chip piece.

Similarly Gold Coast have May contracted for another year and the chance at some juicy AFL free agency compensation. We have to get inside pick 10 I think, even if we get more than just May for it.

From all reports the King's have flat out told GC to stay away. Maybe they draft both of them and hope that works. I'm not so sure. And if we draft them there's a good chance they both need 3 years and 30 AFL games of finding their feet footy which doesn't help us. 

I actually think the best case scenario is 5 and 10 for Hogan. 1 of those picks goes to May. 1 goes to the draft if no one wants it. 

The 2019 first rounder could be moved forward in to this years draft and maybe split in to a few pieces. The Eagles traded their future first with the Suns for a raft of 2nd round picks. I'm not sure another club would be that stupid but it would be a way to really beef up the depth of our list and solve some needs. I get the appeal of landing a Josh Kelly but drafting one high quality kid early and then some mid round picks for another Spargo and Fritsch could really set the list up. Then we turn to free agency. We'd all like Josh Kelly but I'd settle for taking a heap of talent in this years draft to make sure we're stocked in the years to come and then landing Chad Wingard as a free agent next year.

Non of them had kicked 40 goals plus in the 3 full seasons they had played tho.

Or ranked as the #1 KPF for his age all time he is just entering his peak. He plays in the hardest position on the ground FFS.

[John Demonic 5,850]

21 minutes ago, Johnny Karate said:

I think more simply they are looking to create content by baiting and throwing up red herrings. They have 12 hours less ads to fill & the frigging trade period doesn’t start for a week. Their station is the equivalent of a 140+ page internet thread.

Well yeah thats the modus operandi, but i do think there is an underlying bias towards wanting big fan base vic clubs v interstate clubs contending every year. For a team thats already a contender (without the player theyre trading) to get two top 10 picks, well it might be unpalletable for media commentators who are fans of a few of these clubs. As the poster said above, i just get the feeling they're trying to shape the narrative and soften us up for the "briLliaNt TraDe IdEa" theyve (McCLure) come up with

 

Bit of an illumaniti hot take, but so be it.

Edited October 3, 2018 by johndemonic

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

8 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I do feel we're being softened up to accept unders for Jesse... If we don't get 2 x First Rounders, I'll be dissappointed

But, we're going to have plenty of late 2nd / 3rd ish round picks you'd think in return for Kent, Tyson amd AvB (if he goes). Perhaps we get pick 4 + Brayshaw, for Hogan and pick XX (e.g. Kent return)

Then, pick 4 to GCS get us May plus a discount on KK. So 4 plus pick YY (e.g. late 3rd round) for May and KK

Yesterday Mahoney said that we expected the highest that has been traded for. He’s not going to say that and then accept unders

[Moonshadow 17,677]

22 minutes ago, johndemonic said:

One fella said it earlier on forum, theyre subconsciously trying to shape the narrative and keep a smaller vic club and prelim team from getting two 1st round picks and becoming a force.

Now I've heard it all!

Paranoia full throttle...

[John Demonic 5,850]

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Now I've heard it all!

Paranoia full throttle...

Im being followed Moonshadow 

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Just now, johndemonic said:

Im being followed Moonshadow 

The meds only help if you take them

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Relax folks. Here’s how it will go down.

1. Dees will ask for picks 4 & 5. Straight up.

2. Freo will pizz and moan, say the deal is off and then eventually offer us the 9 & 10 that they receive from Port for pick 4. This process may take some time. We just need to sit tight.

3. We will ask for picks 5 & 9 and give Freo a deadline of say 24 hours before trade week closes or Hogan remains in red and blue.

4. Freo will pizz and moan and journos like Slobbo and McClure will continue to proclaim how unrealistic we are, only for the Dockers to relent and shell out picks 5 & 10 just as Mahoney gets out his mobile to call Hoges’ manager to tell him “deal’s off”.

Don’t be fooled what any hack journo is reporting - the driving force in this negotiation is the Dockers’ desperation to get this player they’ve been chasing for half a decade, on its books. Dees just need to be firm, patient and ready to get up from the table if need be.

They will cave at 5 & 10. Mark it down.

Edited October 3, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Smokey 4,389]

4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

You should post less often. 

You can call me Rex Hunt 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

5 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Relax folks. Here’s how it will go down.

1. We will ask for picks 4 & 5.

2. Freo will pizz and moan, day the deal is off and then eventually offer us 9 & 10 that they receive from Port for pick 4.

3. We will ask for picks 5 & 9 and give Freo a deadline of say 24 hours before trade week closes or Hogan remains in red and blue.

4. Freo will pizz and moan and journos like Slobbo and McClure will continue to proclaim how unrealistic we are, only for the Dockers to relent and shell out picks 5 & 10 just as Mahoney gets out his mobile to call Hoges’ manager to tell him “deal’s off”.

Don’t be fooled what any hack journo is reporting - thd driving force in this negotiation is the desperation of Fremantle to get the player on its books. Dees just need to be firm, patient and ready to get up from the table if need be.

They will cave at 5 & 10.

Done then...

I'm glad I read 143 pages to get to the conclusion

[hells bells 2,023]

Look Port or Adelaide to package up picks to move up the draft to try to get the gun SA talent.  

For example Brisbane to take 9/10 and 27/28 from Port for Pick 5. 

In an ideal world Pick 10 then goes to Freo for Neale.  

Freo then have 5 and 10.  We take both for Hogan. 10 goes to GC for May we keep 5.

Hogan cost us 3 and 13.  He is arguably the best key forward under 23 years old.  This is what we should be aiming for.

[hells bells 2,023]

7 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Relax folks. Here’s how it will go down.

1. We will ask for picks 4 & 5. Straight up.

2. Freo will pizz and moan, say the deal is off and then eventually offer us 9 & 10 that they receive from Port for pick 4. This process may take some time. Dees just need to sit tight.

3. We will ask for picks 5 & 9 and give Freo a deadline of say 24 hours before trade week closes or Hogan remains in red and blue.

4. Freo will pizz and moan and journos like Slobbo and McClure will continue to proclaim how unrealistic we are, only for the Dockers to relent and shell out picks 5 & 10 just as Mahoney gets out his mobile to call Hoges’ manager to tell him “deal’s off”.

Don’t be fooled what any hack journo is reporting - thd driving force in this negotiation is the desperation of Fremantle to Get this player on its books. Dees just need to be firm, patient and ready to get up from the table if need be.

They will cave at 5 & 10.

Great minds...