Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Whispering_Jack 31,267]

Sam McClure of SEN puts forward his idea of a blockbuster trade that could see Melbourne secure Gold Coast’s Steven May.

May has a year left on his contract so McClure opines that there may be a problem.

“The sticking point here is that the Gold Coast Suns aren’t going to trade Steven May, unless they get something overs for him.”

McClure reckons that Lachie Neale could be the key to the matter.

“Lachie Neale goes to Brisbane for Brisbane’s first pick – currently pick five – that is on-traded to Melbourne from Fremantle for Jesse Hogan, and that then allows Melbourne to with that pick for Jesse Hogan to get Steven May.

“I’m of strong belief that the Gold Coast Suns would accept pick five for Steven May.”

In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender).

To accept such a trade would be madness.

[layzie 34,374]

Not good enough.

[buck_nekkid 6,082]

5 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Sam McClure of SEN puts forward his idea of a blockbuster trade that could see Melbourne secure Gold Coast’s Steven May.

May has a year left on his contract so McClure opines that there may be a problem.

“The sticking point here is that the Gold Coast Suns aren’t going to trade Steven May, unless they get something overs for him.”

McClure reckons that Lachie Neale could be the key to the matter.

“Lachie Neale goes to Brisbane for Brisbane’s first pick – currently pick five – that is on-traded to Melbourne from Fremantle for Jesse Hogan, and that then allows Melbourne to with that pick for Jesse Hogan to get Steven May.

“I’m of strong belief that the Gold Coast Suns would accept pick five for Steven May.”

In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender).

To accept such a trade would be madness.

McClure can drink his own urine.  No way

[John Demonic 5,929]

Someone sms red nob that Jesse is tracking better than Josh Kennedy at same age ffs

Edited September 26, 2018 by johndemonic

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8 minutes ago, Thehardtackler said:

Hogan will not go to West Coast. He was a die hard Docker as a youth, that I believe is a large part of his motivation for going there. Look at how much Harmes loves us. Same thing! 

I was led to believe Jesse was a huge Crows fan growing up

[R.I.P. Troy 185]

Would love some thoughts on what we think is actually going on here.

One thing we know for sure is Fremantle desperately want Hogan.

Does Hogan actually want to leave??

Is this being driven by MFC??

I have absolutely no knowledge of the situation whatsoever, but i really get the feeling MFC are driving this and happy to lose Hogan. I firmly believe if MFC told Hogan they didn't want to lose him, he wouldn't entertain leaving. He has shown commitment in the past (obviously things can change).

I believe MFC are driving this and a BIG FISH is coming our way (not May).

[John Demonic 5,929]

3 minutes ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

I believe MFC are driving this and a BIG FISH is coming our way (not May).

Cryptic. Is it wingard? He's a great snapper from 30 on a sharp angle

Edited September 26, 2018 by johndemonic

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2 minutes ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

 

I believe MFC are driving this and a BIG FISH is coming our way (not May).

Is Paul Salmon still playing?

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Considering Hogan is in contract, Freo or any club should be paying overs (none of the "fair trade" Mahoney rubbish).

I'd expect at least two first round draft picks (inc. this year's pick 5) and a second round pick. Freo players are out of the question. Can't see us getting Neale, Fyfe, or to even a lesser extent Matera. Plus, they should be taking the full extent of his current salary cap (+ more if possible).

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,718]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Maybe in a few years, but Weideman is not commanding a million bucks this time next year, I don't care how well he plays.

Btw Roughead, Riewoldt, Kennedy, Patton, Cameron are not on a million and Boyd was severely overpaid.

if Hogan can demand $1.2M and Lynch $1.4m per year what are the rest worth.

hell gaff is commanding $1M plus. Check out Cameron by the way

there's a west wind coming

PS: If Cox doesn't fire big time I can assure you Pies will offer $1M x5 or more for the Weid end of next year

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[Jibroni 5,048]

The more this pans out the more I want Jesse to stay (at the right price!).

[IWAP 170]

I would say another factor in the 'don't trade to West Coast' argument would be that we really don't want to be further strengthening one of our main rivals in what is hopefully our premiership window

[Adam The God 30,644]

44 minutes ago, Thehardtackler said:

Hogan will not go to West Coast. He was a die hard Docker as a youth, that I believe is a large part of his motivation for going there. Look at how much Harmes loves us. Same thing! 

No he wasn't...

[Jones 62]

5 minutes ago, ignition. said:

Considering Hogan is in contract, Freo or any club should be paying overs (none of the "fair trade" Mahoney rubbish).

I'd expect at least two first round draft picks (inc. this year's pick 5) and a second round pick. Freo players are out of the question. Can't see us getting Neale, Fyfe, or to even a lesser extent Matera. Plus, they should be taking the full extent of his current salary cap (+ more if possible).

 

Ed Langdon will feature in this trade shall it go ahead 

[Adam The God 30,644]

27 minutes ago, Jones said:

Ed Langdon will feature in this trade shall it go ahead 

Urgh. He's so ordinary. You're wrong on this one, Jason Taylor.

[Ted Lasso 19,564]

The media has lost the plot. 

In what universe is chad Wingard worth 2 first rounders but hogan not? 

[ProperDee 1,698]

I’d prefer Jack Martin to May. Freakish skills and could kick 50 goals as a permanent forward pocket.

[John Demonic 5,929]

17 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

The media has lost the plot. 

In what universe is chad Wingard worth 2 first rounders but hogan not? 

Journos don't have time to track stats it seems.

Maybe these are the unintended consequences of not nipping injuries in the bud. We don't persist two or three weeks with Hogan limited to underperforming in the goalsquare, get him into surgery early. He comes back for the last three games like Viney. Sets the world on fire and these trade under scenario's don't get proposed. Recency bias in action I think now, as it's half a season since he dominated. You can bet Freo and our club know his value. And we hold the cards. Best to avoid Freo fans in discussing trade though, they'll pretend he's just a good player.

Edited September 26, 2018 by johndemonic

[Demonsone 2,050]

Has the MFC confirmed or denied any of this?

[layzie 34,374]

Nothing has been said at all. 

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27 minutes ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

Would love some thoughts on what we think is actually going on here.

One thing we know for sure is Fremantle desperately want Hogan.

Does Hogan actually want to leave??

Is this being driven by MFC??

I have absolutely no knowledge of the situation whatsoever, but i really get the feeling MFC are driving this and happy to lose Hogan. I firmly believe if MFC told Hogan they didn't want to lose him, he wouldn't entertain leaving. He has shown commitment in the past (obviously things can change).

I believe MFC are driving this and a BIG FISH is coming our way (not May).

We all knew Freo would come, would like to know if the club has offered Hogan a contract extension. But if the FD has moved on from him after weighing up potential trades with what we would get in return for him, they then set about doing it with as little disturbance as possible, offering him something modest citing keeping the list together, knowing their offer would fall well short of Freo’s. 

I still believe if we get 2 x first round picks they could be split and packaged up for May and another ready made player.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,477]

Reading this thread there are a lot of posts with “what happens if player X goes down”. There are 18 clubs and not enough talent to fill the lists. Three KPF is a luxury that cannot be held forever. Losing Hogan still leaves us with 2. With regards to injuries, what happens if Ben Brown or Jack Reiwoldt (they’re getting Lynch so not best example) goes down. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender).

To accept such a trade would be madness.

It's such a load of garbage isn't it. Lever was worth 2. Jesse is worth more. It's that simple.

57 minutes ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

Does Hogan actually want to leave??

Is this being driven by MFC??

Yes.

No.

It's clear now that it's Jesse's management who's come to the club, not the other way around. It's also absolutely believable. We took a risk and mini-drafted a KPF who worked out exactly as expected... Of course we're not going to engineer a trade. It's come from Jesse's camp.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

42 minutes ago, layzie said:

Nothing has been said at all. 

Yeah the silence is deafening

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

if Hogan can demand $1.2M and Lynch $1.4m per year what are the rest worth.

hell gaff is commanding $1M plus. Check out Cameron by the way

there's a west wind coming

PS: If Cox doesn't fire big time I can assure you Pies will offer $1M x5 or more for the Weid end of next year

 

You listed a bunch of key forwards and stayed they were all on a mil. They're not, Boyd and Buddy are but they were overpaid to get them to move.

Now youre just further speculating, it's not based on reality.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/09/26/how-this-blockbuster-trade-could-see-melbourne-secure-may/

“They’ve already had one captain leave in Tom Lynch - who will be joining Richmond on a six or seven-year deal at just under one million dollars a season."

You're overestimating player salaries.

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Dr. Gonzo