Tyson out, Smith in, and we will obliterate the Eagles.

5 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

He would be a good fit for Carlton - especially if they snare Shiel. The addition of Tyson and Shiel would improve Carlton greatly, it would allow Dow to develop at his own pace and also take the pressure off of Cripps.

Agreed. He's also eligible for a trade to Carlton as he served time at GWS prior to coming to us.

5 hours ago, rpfc said:

He is playing his role. However, Tyson is definitely playing out of position; he is a very natural footy player that knows where to find the footy. He isn’t great at anything else.

But the MC have to weigh up whether Smith in to that settled backline to take whoever Salem/Fritsch/Lewis was to take and freeing them up is worth more than Tyson’s prolific ball winning. I really don’t think this is thought about if we are not playing WCE. Everyone of their forwards can kick at least 3 if no work is put into them.

Smith in and Fritsch up the ground is a definite and valid question...

From 72% time on the ground 46 SC points 7k, 4HB, 2M, 2 T know wonder we are talking about someone else coming in....... I'm just saying

6 hours ago, DemonWA said:

Perhaps hate is an exaggeration, but i get sick of every post match thread and every comments section on facebook calling for tyson to be dropped and/or pointing out his alleged weaknesses. 

It's all Jack Watts fault. If he hadn't left all the comments would be calling for him to be dropped thereby leaving Tyson alone.  

7 hours ago, Pates said:

He may not have got pinged but he still got caught, he just takes that split second longer than others do and I feel like he gets caught out with high pressure. As I said I don’t think he played particularly bad but he was the only one who stuck out as someone potentially on the chopping block. 

He wins the ball in tight that's why he gets tackled.  He's not Oliver - few are. 

He has improved his dosposal when tackled and gets his hands free now and looks for a creative handball which he generally achieves.

He didn't get called HTB.

But he doesn't win much outside ball and his kicking is well short of Fritsh's, that's why the Smith in has merit.

Its a delicate balance. Sure we could trade Dom for a reasonable draft pick but then what happens to our midfield next season if we get a couple of injuries to key players?  Might depend on if we win the premiership this season or not!

11 minutes ago, sisso said:

Its a delicate balance. Sure we could trade Dom for a reasonable draft pick but then what happens to our midfield next season if we get a couple of injuries to key players?  Might depend on if we win the premiership this season or not!

Why would it depend on that? 

To keep it simple...

He cannot kick with his right

He doesn't mark overhead...ever

He trots around the ground instead of running.

He takes his opponent to the ball

He loses his opponent when we are defending

He is slow.

His first option is always to handball, and opponents know this.

Smith is a better defender than Fritsch and Fritsch is a better wingman than Tyson.

32 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

To keep it simple...

He takes his opponent to the ball

 

GOTO I always appreciate your perspective but I am puzzled by this?

He always takes his opponent to the ball because he reads it well and is first to the footy?

2 hours ago, Sadler said:

Why would it depend on that? 

Because if we win the flag we could afford to trade a couple of depth players for talented kids, if not I think we need all experienced hands on deck for an all out assault in 2019.

6 minutes ago, sisso said:

Because if we win the flag we could afford to trade a couple of depth players for talented kids, if not I think we need all experienced hands on deck for an all out assault in 2019.

The outcome should not influence the process.

I think Dom will play because they may not want to break up a winning group .

But , he should be told that he must lift his rating by 20-30% or he could miss out on a Grand final if we win.

Totally in his hands and he will know that he can’t really have three average finals in a row.

This should hopefully spur him on to perform strongly.

Edited September 20, 20186 yr by DeeZee

1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

To keep it simple...

He cannot kick with his right

He doesn't mark overhead...ever

He trots around the ground instead of running.

He takes his opponent to the ball

He loses his opponent when we are defending

He is slow.

His first option is always to handball, and opponents know this.

So, to be clear, you are not a Tyson fan?

14 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I like Tyson and expect the team will remain unchanged.

That said, I’d love to see Vince back in the team - perhaps this is more emotional than logical, but, if it were to happen, Tyson is the player to make way for him.

Vince would donate his heart and all other vital internal organs to the team if selected. Please put him in. Sorry Dom.

 

Finally someone mentions Vince. I half expected a Vince in (experience, body, kicking), Fritta to wing, Tyson out a bit earlier. Or does that belie my ignorance on matching up against WCE and / or his fitness? (Srs question)

What's the word on his training/fitness?

3 minutes ago, -Ⓥ- said:

Finally someone mentions Vince. I half expected a Vince in (experience, body, kicking), Fritta to wing, Tyson out a bit earlier. Or does that belie my ignorance on matching up against WCE and / or his fitness? (Srs question)

What's the word on his training/fitness?

I think Smithy is coming in for Dommy and fritta to the wing.

1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

To keep it simple...

He cannot kick with his right

He doesn't mark overhead...ever

He trots around the ground instead of running.

He takes his opponent to the ball

He loses his opponent when we are defending

He is slow.

His first option is always to handball, and opponents know this.

We can probably add George:

* Regularly handballs to team mates under pressure

* Tends to handball at team mates feet

2 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

We can probably add George:

* Regularly handballs to team mates under pressure

* Tends to handball at team mates feet

He has nice hair though.

Tyson is an inside mid playing as a wingman. One paced, can win his own ball but often gets caught in possesion, inconsistent disposal.

If he is not picked in the team as an inside mid then for mine he does not have a spot in the team. We need more pace and hard running on the wing. It is not like we are short of contested ball beasts that we need to sacrifice outside run to play an extra inside mid.

 

Edited September 20, 20186 yr by demoniac

understand the reasoning on tyson/smith/fritsch........but not convinced smith at this stage of his development offers much more

will be interesting to see what selection committee think tonight

16 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I like Tyson and expect the team will remain unchanged.

That said, I’d love to see Vince back in the team - perhaps this is more emotional than logical, but, if it were to happen, Tyson is the player to make way for him.

Vince would donate his heart and all other vital internal organs to the team if selected. Please put him in. Sorry Dom.

 

I would bring Vince in and get him to tag Shuey. Let Harmes run this week. If we can lock down Shuey and cut off his momentum at stoppages, that leaves Yeo, and as an inexperienced midfielder, Yeo isn't really an inside mid. By using Vince to tag Shuey we could have Harmes, Oliver, Viney, Jones and Brayshaw all rotating at full speed - giving everything they have to push the momentum our way, knowing we have locked down Shuey, and Yeo isn't an inside mid, and Sheed is a touch slow. Sheed is like Tyson. That is the beauty of Gaff been out. We should be able to really do a number on Dom Sheed this week. 

22 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

We need to get Fritsch back on to a wing as he plays that role better than Tyson and he struggles at times in the backline.

I feel like we also need another lock-down defender.

Smith as that lock-down, CB?

6 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I would bring Vince in and get him to tag Shuey. Let Harmes run this week. If we can lock down Shuey and cut off his momentum at stoppages, that leaves Yeo, and as an inexperienced midfielder, Yeo isn't really an inside mid. By using Vince to tag Shuey we could have Harmes, Oliver, Viney, Jones and Brayshaw all rotating at full speed - giving everything they have to push the momentum our way, knowing we have locked down Shuey, and Yeo isn't an inside mid, and Sheed is a touch slow. Sheed is like Tyson. That is the beauty of Gaff been out. We should be able to really do a number on Dom Sheed this week. 

Good reasoning, regarding the containment of Shuey but can Vince do that for a full game? 

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Smith as that lock-down, CB?

Yes.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

Yes.

Then it all makes sense, to me. Fritsch needs a wing and 2-way running to the HFF area; lock in Vince as stated on Shuey, Hannan in deeper fwd role to meet up with Fritsch a little, Smith the Son of a Gun into a clearing defensive flank and assist chop at CHB - maybe even playmaker at spoils on incoming Eagle scheet, Spargo open season all over the fwd half.