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Lyon: Dees in 8 by Default

Demonland
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3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

He's not wrong.

 

This is not a growth mindset.

He is right but he should have said " The dees cannot perform on the big stage ....... yet."

 

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    2 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

    This is not a growth mindset.

    He is right but he should have said " The dees cannot perform on the big stage ....... yet."

     

    He did.

    “Melbourne don’t right now. They didn’t handle the occasion, they haven’t handled the occasion and they’ve got two weeks to try and handle an occasion.

    “The bottom line is they just don’t handle big occasions.”

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    2 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

    This is not a growth mindset.

    He is right but he should have said " The dees cannot perform on the big stage ....... yet."

     

    that's it in a nutshell isnt it.

    Until something changes, whatever it is - it feels permanent... 

    Goody though, is all about the yet... thank gawd....

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    He’s 100% correct on the below. These run ons kill us every time and we react way too late.

    “I was expecting to see a fight to the death attitude from my side given where they were.

    “I saw a passive acceptance of Sydney kicking the ball to whoever they wanted, wherever they wanted, and once again, they gave up seven goals in a row.

    “That’s the disappointment right there.”

    Edited by Dee Zephyr

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    No, he's totally wrong.

    At the moment I would think finishing 8th would be about where we are at.

    We can beat the 10 teams below us (given I think Geelong will finish above us) and can't beat the 7 above.

    That's what the ladder is for Garry...that's not default.

    His argument about performing on the big stage has some merit, that's why we are sitting just in the 8 and not top 4.

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    He did make a good point about our players not coping with the pressure. That its not just around the ground with panicked decision making, its also in front of goal. Prime examples against Power, Geelong and now Sydney where we just did not convert and put the opposition under pressure while gaining momentum our way.

    I think we were beaten around the ball for most of the game yesterday but the good teams can get beaten at the contest and still find a way to win. Its plain to see that for us converting in front of goal early on would have changed the shape of the game. We wouldn't have gone into defensive mode so much.

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    I will say it again. We are a mentally unstable club and have been for quite a while. Until that changes losses like yesterday will continue. I think this eagles game will be very interesting..

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    he is 100% correct and has been for a while about the club and how it deals with expectations. Its been great beating the sides below us and beating them well, it may help us make the finals, but until we stand up, until we find a way, the club will have this permanent brad associated with them. 

    Its up to them.

     

     

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    34 minutes ago, rjay said:

    No, he's totally wrong.

    At the moment I would think finishing 8th would be about where we are at.

    We can beat the 10 teams below us (given I think Geelong will finish above us) and can't beat the 7 above.

    That's what the ladder is for Garry...that's not default.

    His argument about performing on the big stage has some merit, that's why we are sitting just in the 8 and not top 4.

    5 games lost by under a couple of goals. Most of these close losses were because of the teams weak mental ability and a lack of experience in the coaching box..

    Imagine the completely different feeling around the club and the belief the players would be generating had we nutted up and eked out those wins.

    We are in the window but are already blowing one of our chances this season.

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    We just needed to win 1 of these 5 so we could qualify for the 8. Not asking them to push an elephant upstairs.

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    its all the defensive pressure. it was a training drill for the swans. far too many loose men. i'm not going to listen to any dribble that comes out of goodwins mouth for the next 6 months as he talks about the same old cliches.  i'm sick of it. i want wins. and i want heart. so much for learning from last years lessons

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    The club hasn’t been able to handle high pressure for decades. Different personel, different players, but always the same result. 

    It’s all psychological, has to be. 

    We just don’t believe deep down we can win big games, we hope we can win them. 

    Huge difference

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    Yep this has been happening for a very long time. It will not change until we take the leap of faith and rise up in an occasion like yesterday. Even in 04, 05, 06 we fluffed the chance to get top 4 and have a serious assault on a flag all because we'd fall over at the crucial hurdle. 

    We can't sit around waiting on the world to change, we need to actually jump out of that fish bowl first.

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    1 hour ago, Danelska said:

    that's it in a nutshell isnt it.

    Until something changes, whatever it is - it feels permanent... 

    Goody though, is all about the yet... thank gawd....

    Goody just keeps the “spin” going to keep his job and keep us on the hook!

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    Gaz is half right but mostly wrong.

    He is the master of old school footy clichés about how merely 'wanting it more' is enough to win. If you 'go in hard' then the opposition will just yield to you. It was the type of crude sophistry that managed to get Dean Bailey sacked and Mark Neeld hired.

    He is right that we struggle with expectation. However, it comes down to staying cool in the moment, maintaining communication and realizing what is possible versus what is desirable. The amount of times we had two blokes go for the same ball, blew easily convertible chances and tried to pull off the spectacular rather than the practical (Oliver playing on and slipping over on the mark near the end comes to mind) show that it's the inability to calmly assess a situation and to execute that is our downfall.

    It's got nothing to do with breathing fire or bleeding red and blue. It was ridiculous for Gaddy to say we were 'going through the motions'. We were cracking in but had our heads up our arzes.

    Edited by Colin B. Flaubert

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    54 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Maybe we should get Neeld back, hey Garry?

    In fairness to Garry I heard him last week concede that he and the selection panel made a massive error in the appointment of Neeld. he wont get involved in that end of things again. The onus is on Goodwin to analyse his coaching and develop and change if not he will fail.

    Clarkson has reinvented himself many time, changed the team playing style and at the end of every season head O.S. to look at trends and plays in all other sports and applies them to AFL.

    Lyon is correct atm we are not a top 8 team, will not make the finals and cannot beat a top 8 team. The hurdle as Goody describes it is a massive insurmountable mountain.

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    55 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    The club hasn’t been able to handle high pressure for decades. Different personel, different players, but always the same result. 

    It’s all psychological, has to be. 

    We just don’t believe deep down we can win big games, we hope we can win them. 

    Huge difference

    I can agree with this to an extent.

    I have seen two Grand Finals in my life. All the talk leading in was 'We have nothing to lose' and 'Who knows what might happen?'

    It was almost like we were sorry to be there. 

    Compare that to Hawthorn against Geelong in 2008. While they didn't feign false confidence like Choco the year before, never once did they cede that they didn't have a chance or downplay the significance of the moment.

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    1 minute ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    I can agree with this to an extent.

    I have seen two Grand Finals in my life. All the talk leading in was 'We have nothing to lose' and 'Who knows what might happen?'

    It was almost like we were sorry to be there. 

    Compare that to Hawthorn against Geelong in 2008. While they didn't feign false confidence like Choco the year before, never once did they cede that they didn't have a chance or downplay the significance of the moment.

    That’s the difference. The MFC hope we do well in big games

    The good sides knuckle down and do it, they refuse to stop until it is done, and if they do fail sporadically, it is very rare that they don’t redeem themselves next week. 

    We are still a long way from that mindset

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    19 minutes ago, Older demon said:

    In fairness to Garry I heard him last week concede that he and the selection panel made a massive error in the appointment of Neeld. he wont get involved in that end of things again. The onus is on Goodwin to analyse his coaching and develop and change if not he will fail.

    Clarkson has reinvented himself many time, changed the team playing style and at the end of every season head O.S. to look at trends and plays in all other sports and applies them to AFL.

    Lyon is correct atm we are not a top 8 team, will not make the finals and cannot beat a top 8 team. The hurdle as Goody describes it is a massive insurmountable mountain.

    Except we are currently a top 8 team (FYI we are 7th), might still make the finals and have defeated teams that were top 8 when we beat them. 

    See how the facts have a habit of getting lost in all the negative emotion?

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    I don't pay much mind to Gary nowadays, but he's right. We don't perform on the big stage, which is evidenced by the fact that we have failed in every game that has been billed as a big moment against a top 8 side. A 'mini final' if you will. Sure, the games have been close, but we don't do any of the things we should. I was at the game yesterday, and watching the Swans kick to each other all day in open space, was beyond infuriating. Those aren't 'lessons', or a team on the cusp.

    We got on stage, saw the bright lights and froze while a garbage Swans team (that got beaten by the suns) took control, because we let them and they know, as does everyone in the league, that they're always a chance against the Dees.

    We're not a big moment club. Yet. As Goody puts it. Let's hope the boys work it out before we have to rebuild (ie we miss our window).

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    1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

    Maybe we should get Neeld back, hey Garry?

    boring response, typical response of someone who cant accept the facts. People need to move on from this, get over it.

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    I don’t care if we finish in the 8 via the sale of magic beans. I just want us to play finals. Feels like reaching for the stars.

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    53 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

    boring response, typical response of someone who cant accept the facts. People need to move on from this, get over it.

    Except if you look 2 posts above yours you'll see I state facts which also contradict Garry's MFCSS.

    Nothing is more boring than posters telling others what to do or how to think.

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