Match Preview and Team Selection - Round 8

[Demon Dynasty 17,144]

6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

I predicted Harmes would kick 30-40 goals.

Fantastic.

Why would you predict a Jeffy type goal bonanza when he usually plays mostly mid and the balance pushing back and/or forward? 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[SFebes 4,884]

It just looks like Goodwin is sticking with ANB due to his effort, Goodwin is hopeful nhbfor it to click. But it’s clear he’s currently bereft if confidence, his stats are well down on last year and a defensive forward or tagger doesn’t average 2 tackles and bugger all 1%’s for the year if he’s doing the right thing. Seems odd to me. Garlett could get the same stats and kick 4-5 goals. Anyway, is what it is, hope Goodwin isn’t playing favourites...

[beelzebub 23,392]

I think a problem for many, certainly myself , is Ive never really seen much of Nibbler to suggest he's that good a footballer. He's a standout athlete...playing in an elite level football team, but that and of itself does not qualify anyone as a good footballer.

He does a few cameo footy things from time to time but in the main fluffs things as you might imagine a fish out of water to do.

Good football teams are made up of .... strangely enough....good footballers.

Good footballers possess that 'good footy brain' and have football skills.

You can get away without these so much at lesser levels. If we as a club want to experience success. 

Build a FOOTBALL team.   Not an athletics club. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,117]

I have finally seen the St Kilda game for the first time. I can't understand why people think Salem should have come in for ANB. They play completely different roles. Salem replaces Hunt because Hunt is the worst performing small defender and Salem will play that role. When Viney returns, then ANB might go out of the side. But - subject to this weekend's performance -  even then, I think ANB's spot in the side is safer than Hannan's.

[Deemania since 56 6,797]

12 hours ago, DV8 said:

I'd rather see Oskar Baker get a go;,,,,  than garlett.  The way garlett's been attacking the games this season.

Really looking fwd to Oskar Baker playing a game in the AFL team. At the same time, I'd reckon that Garlett has learnt of his form lapse and would have been working towards some form of redemption and awareness-raising - he 'aint a meathead, after all. Tough call, but I'd still prefer a more 'desparate' Garlett at this game and point of time. OB in when Viney resumes and ANB is dropped. 

[Deemania since 56 6,797]

11 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Watching at the ground, I thought Hannan contributed very little last week, but upon watching the replay, I noticed he did do a few things, but wasn't great.  Has the potential to stand up and be a real match winner on his good outings though and made a pretty handy contribution Vs the Bombers, so worth persisting with.  He seemed hopelessly out of position (too far behind to impact) when playing deep forward last week, but did do some reasonable link up stuff further up the ground.

Yes, noticed that link-up role; he is a newbie, after all at this moment but is developing, developing and I'd reckon is going to be valuable, valuable in HFwd roles and sneaky goals. Opportunities were denied him so far this season but he can respond with some magical moments, too. 

[Deemania since 56 6,797]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I think a problem for many, certainly myself , is Ive never really seen much of Nibbler to suggest he's that good a footballer. He's a standout athlete...playing in an elite level football team, but that and of itself does not qualify anyone as a good footballer.

He does a few cameo footy things from time to time but in the main fluffs things as you might imagine a fish out of water to do.

Good football teams are made up of .... strangely enough....good footballers.

Good footballers possess that 'good footy brain' and have football skills.

You can get away without these so much at lesser levels. If we as a club want to experience success. 

Build a FOOTBALL team.   Not an athletics club. 

These questions are valid, Beelzebub, and these are also becoming monotonous for a handful of spritely younger players.

I just wonder that in the transfer of the coaching mantras and game plans for 'style' of game, and in reference to what Goodwin continuously states post-match no matter what the result (eg: '...we still have a lot of work to do...'), I just wonder if the essential skills of football are being overlooked as a coaching and training inclusion - particularly for these players.

The repetition comes from skills such as kicking, passing by foot and hand, finding space and moving to it as a fast break opportunity, inside and outside linkages, 'long-bombing', etc, etc, without being fully inclusive. 

Players are recruited from tender ages and varied ranges of experience these days. Their prior exposure to the footy basics may not and from observation, certainly is not advanced, equal and/or representative of the new demands of the game at AFL level. Core skills practices and team utilisation of such skills sets are critical to AFL footballing success. We team up players with noticeable mixed bags of these core skills whereas some centralisation of skill sets needs to be addressed, first. Idiosynchratic footballers will also struggle in this team game. This is not gospel, this is just an opinion....

 

 

 

[chook fowler 19,756]

12 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

There has to be more to the Hunt omission.   I thought he was OK last week. 

In addition to improving his disposal, Hunt needs to get more of the ball - regularly gets 10 or less touches.

[beelzebub 23,392]

10 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

These questions are valid, Beelzebub, and these are also becoming monotonous for a handful of spritely younger players.

I just wonder that in the transfer of the coaching mantras and game plans for 'style' of game, and in reference to what Goodwin continuously states post-match no matter what the result (eg: '...we still have a lot of work to do...'), I just wonder if the essential skills of football are being overlooked as a coaching and training inclusion - particularly for these players.

The repetition comes from skills such as kicking, passing by foot and hand, finding space and moving to it as a fast break opportunity, inside and outside linkages, 'long-bombing', etc, etc, without being fully inclusive. 

Players are recruited from tender ages and varied ranges of experience these days. Their prior exposure to the footy basics may not and from observation, certainly is not advanced, equal and/or representative of the new demands of the game at AFL level. Core skills practices and team utilisation of such skills sets are critical to AFL footballing success. We team up players with noticeable mixed bags of these core skills whereas some centralisation of skill sets needs to be addressed, first. Idiosynchratic footballers will also struggle in this team game. This is not gospel, this is just an opinion....

 

 

 

I suspect Clarko runs to a very different mantra to Goody.

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Harmes is an inside mid field tackling animal with a bit of outside run / spread.  ANB a running / chasing link up outside medium forward who plays through the mid a little who doesnt finish particularly well and is prone to at least one brain snap (on average) per match.

Harmes currently in our best 22.  ANB a fair way off in current form or lack of plus ongoing brain fades.

Viney to replace ANB against the Blues with Harnes / Viney resting / rotating forward to cover ANB's role.

ANB emergency depth at best. 

We need more run and spread.  I think your underestimating the need for real harrd running.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I have finally seen the St Kilda game for the first time. I can't understand why people think Salem should have come in for ANB. They play completely different roles. Salem replaces Hunt because Hunt is the worst performing small defender and Salem will play that role. When Viney returns, then ANB might go out of the side. But - subject to this weekend's performance -  even then, I think ANB's spot in the side is safer than Hannan's.

Salem comes in for his kicking, and his focus, footy nous.

Edited May 11, 2018 by DV8

[DV8 2,271]

59 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Really looking fwd to Oskar Baker playing a game in the AFL team. At the same time, I'd reckon that Garlett has learnt of his form lapse and would have been working towards some form of redemption and awareness-raising - he 'aint a meathead, after all. Tough call, but I'd still prefer a more 'desparate' Garlett at this game and point of time. OB in when Viney resumes and ANB is dropped. 

Garlett's not going to help us win our next Flag...

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 minute ago, DV8 said:

Garlett's not going to help us win our next Flag...

Worst argument in the world.

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

This week the two teams will be playing for the Warnock Bowl.

[Diamond_Jim 12,736]

Nice weekend to be playing in Brisbane.

If travel is managed properly as I am sure it will be it's probably better than paying on a heavy ground in Melbourne.

BTW that Docklands surface looks atrocious.... how can it be so bad after only 6 rounds ? Surely they schedule a turf replacement for March or thereabouts

[Diamond_Jim 12,736]

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Really looking fwd to Oskar Baker playing a game in the AFL team. At the same time, I'd reckon that Garlett has learnt of his form lapse and would have been working towards some form of redemption and awareness-raising - he 'aint a meathead, after all. Tough call, but I'd still prefer a more 'desparate' Garlett at this game and point of time. OB in when Viney resumes and ANB is dropped. 

Almost deserves a thread of its own but we need to talk at some stage about who and how we will be replacing Vince and Lewis. For one or both it will definitely happen this year or next. Is Oskar a candidate .. not sure. Should we be trialling Stretch in that role at VFL level.

A big chunk of experience to replace but I would like to think the boys at VFL level have their eyes on these spots.

[Smokey 4,391]

17 hours ago, SFebey said:

Unbelievable mate. Whats the point of highest KMs run and pressure acts when you just cough it up and destroy the chain towards goal. He's clearly out of confidence, cannot believe the persistence. Thankfully Salem in is an improvement but thought Hunt was OK last two weeks.

I couldn't believe the persistence with Omac for a long time but look how he's going now. 

Must be his last chance though with Viney coming in next week. Keen to see how he responds. 

[DV8 2,271]

45 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Almost deserves a thread of its own but we need to talk at some stage about who and how we will be replacing Vince and Lewis. For one or both it will definitely happen this year or next. Is Oskar a candidate .. not sure. Should we be trialling Stretch in that role at VFL level.

A big chunk of experience to replace but I would like to think the boys at VFL level have their eyes on these spots.

Bernie may go around once more, but that's a 50/50 I reckon.

[Deemania since 56 6,797]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Garlett's not going to help us win our next Flag...

Seriously doubt this statement. Time will tell...

[watchtheeyes 1,429]

I really don’t get people’s dislike for Harmes. Finds the footy, tackles, pressures, can take a contested mark, often provides great link play and run, sometimes explosive. Does he get caught sometimes? Sure, but at least he’s not just hand balling to someone else under pressure. Does he miss targets, sometimes, but I’d suggest not as much as many others in the comp. He’s not on the fringe in my eyes.

I get the swap of Hunt for Salem if it’s for a half back role. Hunt was better last week, but still underwhelming.

Having said that, I also struggle with ANB because I can’t get past seeing him shirk the contest TWICE two weeks ago. Screamed ‘drag him right now’ at the TV during the game, so he’s got a bit to do to win me back.

Edited May 11, 2018 by watchtheeyes

[rjay 25,399]

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

Garlett's not going to help us win our next Flag...

Why not????

September isn't that far off.

[rjay 25,399]

I don't think Hunt's been quite the same since the Adelaide game where he knocked himself out last year.

He hasn't got his mojo back...

[Demon Dynasty 17,144]

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

We need run and spread.  I think your underestimating the need for real harrd running.

If that hard running and spread has some AFL level finishing on the end of it i agree DV.  When it doesn't it all looks good but the end result often ends in a turnover and ball being switched or sent back over head straight down the other end.  Sometimes for an easy joe-the-goose or a shot at goal.  Hunt a good example of this of late.  He will come back but needs to start finding more options by hand and foot earlier into his running forays.  Then run on for the next one/two receive instead of trying to take on multiple tacklers. And hit a few more targets with short passes in order that the team maintains possession and he cashes in on his speed advantage More often.  The turnovers will always happen from time to time at this level.  Just needs some adjusting to his method IMO.

You could have 4 to 5 hard running / spread players on the outside.  If only one , or worse none of them, are at a decent level with finishing then all that effort/run will count for little in return.

You will also find the team will move the ball much more efficiently and more players will be encouraged to spread more often on the burst if they know they are likely to be on the receiving end of some quality ball users around them. They will also be encouraged and likely have more trust to give off to someone who uses the ball very well vs someone who regularly doesn't.  Some might call it confidence.

 

 

 

 

[DV8 2,271]

16 minutes ago, rjay said:

Why not????

September isn't that far off.

I said a Premiership Flag, not the finals.

[DV8 2,271]

3 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

If that hard running and spread has some AFL level finishing on the end of it i agree DV.  When it doesn't it all looks good but the end result often ends in a turnover and ball being switched or sent back over head straight down the other end.  Sometimes for an easy joe-the-goose or a shot at goal.  Hunt a good example of this of late.  He will come back but needs to start finding more options by hand and foot earlier into his running forays.  Then run on for the next one/two receive instead of trying to take on multiple tacklers. And hit a few more targets with short passes in order that the team maintains possession and he cashes in on his speed advantage More often.  The turnovers will always happen from time to time at this level.  Just needs some adjusting to his method IMO.

You could have 4 to 5 hard running / spread players on the outside.  If only one , or worse none of them, are at a decent level with finishing then all that effort/run will count for little in return.

You will also find the team will move the ball much more efficiently and more players will be encouraged to spread more often on the burst if they know they are likely to be on the receiving end of some quality ball users around them. They will also be encouraged and likely have more trust to give off to someone who uses the ball very well vs someone who regularly doesn't.  Some might call it confidence.

 

 

 

 

He's in our best 22 atmo, until we surpass him.

I think confidence will help, as it returns for him.

 

Next year, IF the AFL reduces rotations again to open the game up, we will be calling for our ANB's, and the Hunts.

Edited May 11, 2018 by DV8