1 minute ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Yes oh master! Whatever you say sir. McQueen made assumptions that the punch was not aimed at Brayshaw's face but his gut. Is this not defending his actions in some way?  Off your high horse mate.

Do you understand English?

Even if you are right (and you're not by a long way) there is a huge difference between providing a defence of someone's actions and condoning them.

Wow.

7 minutes ago, america de cali said:

6 to 8 years for manslaughter.

Wrong 

Happened on footy oval during game. Let Christian deal with it. Not. 

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Do you understand English?

Even if you are right (and you're not by a long way) there is a huge difference between providing a defence of someone's actions and condoning them.

Wow.

Is there a huge difference?  I think not. You seem to be having trouble dismounting from your high horse.

Look he is going to cop his just desserts. People are pretty fired up about this today and rightly so. But I think there is only a set of people who can really comment and that is his family. Reading this article I couldn't imagine what his family had thought sitting there and seeing this happen to there son. Obviously Angus was a bit rattled to. 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/his-mum-was-in-tears-emotional-scars-for-brayshaw-family-as-bad-as-physical-damage/news-story/326fefd325fd091dafe746d9850d0d0c

Let's simplify this - broke a players jaw in an off the ball incident. Therefore manifestly worse than Bugg's. Bugg got 6 weeks. 8 to 10 would be right.

40 minutes ago, radar said:

What if the punch killed the kid?

still 6 to 8?

If that happened (has it ever happened in any professional sport?) the AFL tribunal wouldn’t play any part. But most (if not all) one punch hits that cause death are as much to do with the person landing on concrete as it is the hit itself. 

Brayshaw wasn’t knocked out, he got hit on a soft part of the face. Half an inch lower and it’s quite possible he’d be playing this week. Again not defending Gaff but there’s always luck involved when it comes to any injury. 

Edited August 6, 20186 yr by Pates

Brain fade maybe, but a cowardly dog act just the same. If he was on our “wanted” list, he should be wiped off now. End of story.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The image has been posted enough, I’m not sure what the purpose is of posting it again but zoomed in?

In relation to your above point, for police to be involved they need a victim to work with. Which means the player would have to make a complaint and provide a statement. I think this would be far from Andrew’s mind at the moment but he’d obviously be justified if he wanted to take it further. 

Thanks for putting it into reasonable context Ethan 

I'm sure we'll see that horrific photo at least another 10 times before they day is over. Though it's far from his mind ATM, I bet Andrew Brayshaw would be over the online analysis and hyperbole as well. 

Looked like a clean hit. You get these guys running around like badass faux tough guys pushing, shoving etc so there is always a touch of irony when they get put on their arse. Gaff looks like a great pick up next year if the price is right.

5 hours ago, Jaded said:

I agree, I don't think Gaff went out and thought "I'm gonna smash his jaw and break his teeth coz he's being a pest to me". I think he thought "you're an annoying [censored] I'm gonna hit ya a little because I'm having a brain fade moment and oh [censored] I just smashed you really hard and I am screwed". 

I feel for both of them, but bloody hell you look at poor Andrew and you just feel sick. To hear his mum was crying in the rooms just breaks your heart, when you think what Gus went through and that she has another kid in the army. I heard on radio this morning that she'd had to take on some counselling to help her deal with the Gus situation, and now this. FFS my heart really breaks for her! 

This will no doubt have long lasting ramifications on Gaff, his confident, his demeanour, the way he is perceived by the wider footy community, and no doubt his future and asking price. 

I would still welcome him to our club, but as stated previously, I would hope the club looks into the mental impact this will have on Gaff, on Gus (I'm sure he will be OK with it) and as a general look for our club. We were very hard on Bugg and he has barely played since (although he is a poor player which doesn't help), so how do we proceed should we get Gaff without looking hypocritical? 

Well said. 

Gaff 4 votes in the AFLCA

Just now, No10 said:

Gaff 4 votes in the AFLCA

4 from one coach and 0 from the other 

59 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Is there a huge difference?  I think not. You seem to be having trouble dismounting from your high horse.

How is Jack Watts doing this year?

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

How is Jack Watts doing this year?

He’s playing his role well as a decoy forward. 

2 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

4 from one coach and 0 from the other 

Simpson standing by his player.

Not sure it's smart but very different approach to how Bugg was handled by MFC.

7 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

4 from one coach and 0 from the other 

Where did you get that breakdown MSF?

If the tribunal is consistent, then the penalty has to be more than what Bugg received.  Mills didn't play out the game, but did play the following week.  Buggy got 6 weeks for that.

Brayshaw is done for the season.  Gaff should get something in the realm of 7-8 weeks for it, but I'd be surprised if the tribunal went that hard.  Not because I don't think he deserves it, but more so because I just can't see them having the guts to do it.

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Where did you get that breakdown MSF?

The coaches press conferences moonie ?

fair chance though I reckon as he was pretty much BOG

11 minutes ago, No10 said:

Simpson standing by his player.

Not sure it's smart but very different approach to how Bugg was handled by MFC.

Ours was the correct approach. The WCE have form, knowingly allowing drug takes to continue playing, allowing players to consort with criminals, attacking a Brownlow medialist verbally to the point he almost quit the game and then cheering on Gaff after the hit on Sunday. The  actions of WCE club and supporters carry no weight IMO.

Edited August 6, 20186 yr by old dee

1 minute ago, MSFebey said:

The coaches press conferences moonie ?

fair chance though I reckon as he was pretty much BOG

I believe MSF is right as it's the only mathematical possibility.

5Yeo

5Yeo

4Gaff

4Redden

3Redden

3Cripps/Sheppard

2Sheppard/Cripps

2Darling

1Sheppard/Cripps

1Lycett

Gaff... The Maltese Mad Man!

Just now, old dee said:

Ours was the correct approach. The WCE have form, knowing allowing drug takes to continue playing, allowing players to consort with criminals, attaching a Brownlow medialist verbally to the point he almost quit the game and then cheering on Gaff after the hit on Sunday. The  actions of WCE club and supporters carry no weight IMO.

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

Simpson should be ashamed of himself. 

Awarding Gaff votes yesterday...

Jesus H. They really do run their own ship over there. 

1 minute ago, No10 said:

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

How did the MFC treat Tom Bugg badly?

What should they have done better. 

These comments fascinate me, do the crime....

Bugg is lucky to still have a contract

1 minute ago, No10 said:

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

You are guessing, the only fact we have is that he hit him in the mouth with a clenched fist which resulted in a broken jaw and damaged teeth.

All the rest in conjecture.

Buggs was a stupid act which could have had far worse result.

Were the Dees fans cheering Bugg on after the hit?

No of course not because it was a stupid and a dangerous act, any other response is condoning the act.